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H/poo problems......
    #4244460 - 06/01/05 04:30 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Okay, I've done a few h/poo grows with good results (more than a few by now actually):





So I thought I was getting the hang of it.

Not quite. The last two tubs I spawned didn't colonize at all. Essentially I spawned them (same procedure as always) and 48 hours after spawning they looked the same.

No colonization whatsoever. What's more - when the lid is cracked they smell SICKENING SWEET.

I am guessing that the h/poo was a little too wet and it started to
?ferment? but I'm trying to avoid this problem in the future by making appropriate changes.

Those with h/poo experience let me know what your thoughts are.

I know 6T (agar) has said more than once that the most common problem with h/poo was too wet a substrate........

One more thought: incubation room temps are from 76 -81 F, I'd like to keep it a little lower with such big bulk bins, but it's the best I can do at the moment.

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Re: H/poo problems...... [Re: mushroommark]
    #4244470 - 06/01/05 04:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

probably too wet like u think


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Re: H/poo problems...... [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4244488 - 06/01/05 04:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

True True.

I just spawned another tub about 20 minutes ago. I gave the sub a good squeeze at spawning and it just barely ran any water through my fingers. None dripping at all, just enough to trickle between my fingers. Previously I would have considered this a little to dry.

I'm not positive if the other two tubs were exactly the same, but I would've thought they'd be similar.

Thanks though Lord.


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Re: H/poo problems...... [Re: mushroommark]
    #4244556 - 06/01/05 04:56 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

That will happen sometimes - when you have a combination of 1. your substrate was not thoroughly pasteurized, 2. was to moist & 3. kept / incubated at to high a temperature.

You get instant bacterial bloom & yeast fermentation that smells SWEET.

I would guess the substrate was a bit wet, (possibly -not cooled completely ) & kept - spawned - incubated at to high a temperature.

Big bulk substrates incubate better around 72/74F.

EDIT - TO ADD:

If you cannot incubate in the 72/74 temp range.

Make your subs thinner, so they don't generate as much internal heat.

As - high ambiant air temp - excess moisture - combined with microbial activity kick start a bloom & the bloom generates more heat, which starts a yeast type fermentaion.

Once it starts. It f/u's the whole substrate. :mad2:


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Re: H/poo problems...... [Re: mushroommark]
    #4244630 - 06/01/05 05:15 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

It's definitely 100% a moisture problem, without a doubt. I've ran plenty of unpasteurized trays that never got that smell because they had the correct water content, but even more pasteurized trays that acquired that smell nearly overnight, as a result of being too wet.


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Re: H/poo problems...... [Re: Holydiver]
    #4244963 - 06/01/05 06:23 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks Diver and Agar.

You answered my question to a T.

I figured as much, but just wanted to double check.

Kinda makes sense cause with the hotter weather, it's been difficult to keep the incubation room as cool as I'd like. Plus these couple bins were a full 4 inches deep so.....

I'll keep my fingers crossed for this next one.

Agar, If you keep subs incubated at 72/74 range then fruit them into a 75 F fruiting room, will problems with not pinning occur?

Or will fresh air and light be enough of a trigger (without a drop in temp) to get pins?


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Re: H/poo problems...... [Re: mushroommark]
    #4244991 - 06/01/05 06:30 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

mushroommark said:
Agar, If you keep subs incubated at 72/74 range then fruit them into a 75 F fruiting room, will problems with not pinning occur?

Or will fresh air and light be enough of a trigger (without a drop in temp) to get pins?




Good question...


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Re: H/poo problems...... [Re: mushroommark]
    #4245060 - 06/01/05 06:47 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

In an upright freezer - ambiant room temp of 72F, 6 or 8 ...12 quart trays incubating will raise the temp inside the freezer to around 78F.

Once 100% colonized, then cased & incubated until you have a good spread of myc cropping out...... introduction of fresh air exchange drops the temp inside the freezer to almost that of the outside room (72/74F).

Light cycle 12/12 & coolmist fresh air exchange (24/7) will trigger primordia & pinning.

You cannot always make everything - optimal.
Just try to get it - as close as you can.

I provide heat in the winter & air/con in the summer.

Another thing you can do to cool a room - if it has any windows, is get some reflective mylar & tape it over the windows. That cuts way back on heat convection from sunlight hitting the glass windows.

Best bet is air/con. I had get a unit.


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Re: H/poo problems...... [Re: agar]
    #4245069 - 06/01/05 06:50 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks good sir.

You've helped me more than you know. :smile:


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Re: H/poo problems...... [Re: agar]
    #4245077 - 06/01/05 06:52 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

WOW! This helps me alot! My last h/poo grow did the same exact thing. I think my temp was too high and my poo a little on the wet side. I feel so much better now that I know where I went wrong.


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Re: H/poo problems...... [Re: mushroommark]
    #4245087 - 06/01/05 06:55 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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mushroommark said:
Thanks good sir. You've helped me more than you know. :smile:




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Re: H/poo problems...... [Re: agar]
    #4245110 - 06/01/05 07:00 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

There should be a big warning sign all over this place regarding the temperature & poo! :smile:


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Re: H/poo problems...... [Re: Arp]
    #4245357 - 06/01/05 08:07 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Arp said:
There should be a big warning sign all over this place regarding the temperature & poo! :smile:




Same sign should have a MOISTURE warning - included.

To wet is doomed to failure.

EDIT - TO ADD: Moisture content of aged - weathered -  dry h/poo substrate - when hydrated should be such that it doesn?t drip, until you give if a gentle / slightly firm squeeze. Even then, moisture shouild only DRIP, not run out of it.


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