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Re: This just in: Holland REJECTS the proposed European Constitition [Re: cybrbeast]
    #4369104 - 07/04/05 10:25 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Critisism of war in times of war is not allowed in American media because then you do not support the troops.




And yet another Euro who quite obviously has never spent a day surveying the American media.



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Re: This just in: Holland REJECTS the proposed European Constitition [Re: Phred]
    #4369244 - 07/04/05 11:28 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I mean the mainstream media. I've read about many journalists and hosts who have been fired during the war because of critisism. Like FOX "news", which is one of the most watch "news" networks.


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Re: This just in: Holland REJECTS the proposed European Constitition [Re: cybrbeast]
    #4369292 - 07/04/05 11:43 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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I've read about many journalists and hosts who have been fired during the war because of critisism.




Fired by whom? By the government? Nope.



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Re: This just in: Holland REJECTS the proposed European Constitition [Re: Phred]
    #4369416 - 07/04/05 12:28 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

No by news corporatians who have chubby ties with the Republican government. Like all corps owned by Rupert Murdoch, which are a lot. And then saying that they are fair and balanced.

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In democratic societies, propaganda is subtle and subliminal, manufactered by those who control the media. PR firms protect the more than 100 billion dollars per year spent on advertising, and it is estimated that half of what we read or hear on the news comes from PR Firms. Currently six corporations control the majority of the information distributed over most of the western world. Most news agencies, television networks and even the internet are controlled by large corporations and the government. As Noam Chomsky wrote, "The real mass media are trying to divert people." By emphasizing entertainment, business and scandal, news has become "infotainment."

Why does this matter? Elite news agencies such as the New York Times and the Washington Post set the tone which regional papers (with limited resources) follow. These agencies are controlled by large corporations with vested interests in Washington's policies and business. Corporate control of the government has become overwhelmingly obvious. One needs only to look at the President's cabinet and to Washington to see the involvement of major corporations. This is the richest, most corporate administration in history, and there are more lobbyists in Washington than there are politicians. Those in control of the media have become a private club in which information becomes "rewritten government pronouncements and shallow entertainments designed primarily to promote consumer commodities." Advertising, corporations and the government, through controlling the media, also control our world view and collective history.






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Re: This just in: Holland REJECTS the proposed European Constitition [Re: cybrbeast]
    #4369824 - 07/04/05 03:53 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

More gibberish.

If whoever wrote that piece of dreck honestly believes the freaking New York Times ( a paper just a hair's breadth to the right of The Guardian) is controlled by the Bush administration, I need not worry about reading more of his pronouncements -- the man is clearly too stupid to know how to tie his shoes and will soon die stumbling over his own feet and falling in front of a bus.



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Re: This just in: Holland REJECTS the proposed European Constitition [Re: Phred]
    #4369838 - 07/04/05 04:03 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

That is not a counter argument. Maybe you should come up with some arguments to support your statement, instead of simply bashing a quote.

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If whoever wrote that piece of dreck honestly believes the freaking New York Times ( a paper just a hair's breadth to the right of The Guardian) is controlled by the Bush administration



Did you even read the quote? The quote said that corporations have a degree of control over the government, not the other way around.

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Re: This just in: Holland REJECTS the proposed European Constitition [Re: cybrbeast]
    #4369968 - 07/04/05 05:03 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, I read the quote, and the guy making it is quite obviously deranged. His argument makes no sense because it is self-contradictory for one and ignores facts for another. It is nothing more than sheer speculation, and very poorly-argued speculation at that.

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The quote said that corporations have a degree of control over the government, not the other way around.




And you ask if I've read the quote? Missed this part, didn't you --

"Most news agencies, television networks and even the internet are controlled by large corporations and the government."

Or this part --

"Advertising, corporations and the government, through controlling the media, also control our world view and collective history."

Look, what prompted my response was this assertion of yours:
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Critisism of war in times of war is not allowed in American media because then you do not support the troops.




Clearly you have spent almost no time reading American news media, since that's just about all they ever do is to criticize the government. In any given day you'll find at the very least a dozen articles critical of the government's handling of Iraq. In any given month you might find one that is actually approving -- and I guarantee you that one report won't be on PBS or NPR or ABC or CBS or NBC or CNN or the LA Times or the Seattle Post Intelligencer or the Boston Herald or the New York Times or the Washington Post or the Los Angeles Times or the Minnesota Star Tribune.



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Re: This just in: Holland REJECTS the proposed European Constitition [Re: Phred]
    #4369984 - 07/04/05 05:08 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry I should have made myself clearer, I meant mainstream media and almost no people read newspapers. It's mostly the higer educated who read newspapers. It's all about the television media. They reach the genpop and they are vile mostly.

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Re: This just in: Holland REJECTS the proposed European Constitition [Re: cybrbeast]
    #4370081 - 07/04/05 05:55 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

You mean mainstream TV news such as ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC?

All are routinely critical of the current US government. Without exception.

As a side point, I'm curious to know what opportunity someone in Holland gets to see these feeds.



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Re: This just in: Holland REJECTS the proposed European Constitition [Re: Phred]
    #4370998 - 07/05/05 12:59 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

100% correct.

The NY Times is VERY liberal. Saying it is controlled by the right-wing is absurd. Almost all news channels other than Fox News are also pretty liberal.

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