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onefunguy
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which strain is best ???
#4242488 - 05/31/05 11:27 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm a new amateur mycologist ....and i have only grown 2 strains Golden Teachers and Ecuador's. with the GT's i got very good fruiting to occur...in a matter of hours i saw one shroom go from 4 inches to about 9 inches...i could almost watch it grow!!!!....i dosed about 3.5 g's but to my disappointment i didn't get very many visuals but a really good body high...the EQ's were my first to grow and i didn't know much about dosage and figured to pick what i had. (which i assume now was about 7-8 grams) i went to my favorite reservoir and split them up with 4 of my friends.we didn't get too high more like a very strong marijuana high ...and i haven't had the chance to grow any since.I have always had a problem with getting visuals i don't know if its me going into the trip thinking i want VISUALS!!!! and counter acting what could have takin place ... .so my question is what is the easiest/best strain to grow for great visuals....or should i just take 8 grams
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: onefunguy]
#4242581 - 05/31/05 11:49 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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'visuals' are a very strong effect of hallucinogens and with it comes the other strong effects, like mind loops and other crazy shit i don't like. strong visual hallucinations are fun though...and sometimes hilarious! eat a few more wet shrooms, you're sure to hallucinate.
i'm partial to the PF race. i think they sometimes go by the name of Matias Romero or amazonian...
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onefunguy
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: felix]
#4242645 - 06/01/05 12:10 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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k thanks you darn cat!
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: onefunguy]
#4242677 - 06/01/05 12:16 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Contrary to popular belief, mushrooms aren't all about visuals. That isn't what makes them enjoyable.
However, if you really really want visuals, you can try an MAOI to change your trip. I used passionflower, which you can get at a lot of organic stores, and had a HUGE trip. Things were morphing into eachother... It was too powerful though, I would have enjoyed a regular mushroom trip more
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: felix]
#4242718 - 06/01/05 12:28 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Those mind loops aren't fun, at all! You get stuck on something, or a series of somethings that just goes around and around like a fucking broken record.
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: blissedout]
#4242792 - 06/01/05 12:47 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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i'v heard taking vitamin c greatly increases the trip. true?
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: onefunguy]
#4242802 - 06/01/05 12:49 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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ummm... eat more?
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: onefunguy]
#4242812 - 06/01/05 12:52 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I know it helps somehow, but I am not sure what. Maybe it helps to build your serotonin back up? I'll look it up for you.
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: blissedout]
#4242816 - 06/01/05 12:54 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Maoi?
Could you please elaborate on that?
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blissedout
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: blissedout]
#4242828 - 06/01/05 12:58 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorry couldn't find anything. Got tired of looking.
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monoamine oxidase inhibitors: Once the brain's three neurotransmitters, known as monoamines (serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine), have played their part in sending messages in the brain, they get burned up by a protein in the brain called monoamine oxidase, a liver and brain enzyme. If too many monoamines are absorbed, it leads to a chemical imbalance in the brain.
Antidepressants known as monoamine oxidase inhibitors, or maoi, work by blocking this cleanup activity. When the excess neurotransmitters don't get destroyed, they start piling up in the brain. And since depression is associated with low levels of these monoamines, it's not surprising that increasing the monoamines eases depressive symptoms.
Unfortunately, monoamine oxidase doesn't just destroy those neurotransmitters; it's also responsible for mopping up another amine called tyramine, a molecule that affects blood pressure. It is due to the tyramine that taking an MAOI requires that you stick with an extremely stringent diet, otherwise, you risk potentially devastating side effects to your body.
Basically, they shut down the cells that digest psilocybin (in this case) to your brain, so no psilocybin is lost to your digestive system, it all goes to your head.. MAOIs can be dangerous because of the tyramine thing, and should be studied before using..
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: Kalix]
#4242845 - 06/01/05 01:06 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: blissedout]
#4242861 - 06/01/05 01:13 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Golden Teachers get me thinking of Golden Peaches, so I imagine they are a tasty shroom if there ever was one
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: Kalix]
#4242866 - 06/01/05 01:17 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
Kalix said: monoamine oxidase inhibitors: Once the brain's three neurotransmitters, known as monoamines (serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine), have played their part in sending messages in the brain, they get burned up by a protein in the brain called monoamine oxidase, a liver and brain enzyme. If too many monoamines are absorbed, it leads to a chemical imbalance in the brain.
Antidepressants known as monoamine oxidase inhibitors, or maoi, work by blocking this cleanup activity. When the excess neurotransmitters don't get destroyed, they start piling up in the brain. And since depression is associated with low levels of these monoamines, it's not surprising that increasing the monoamines eases depressive symptoms.
Unfortunately, monoamine oxidase doesn't just destroy those neurotransmitters; it's also responsible for mopping up another amine called tyramine, a molecule that affects blood pressure. It is due to the tyramine that taking an MAOI requires that you stick with an extremely stringent diet, otherwise, you risk potentially devastating side effects to your body.
Basically, they shut down the cells that digest psilocybin (in this case) to your brain, so no psilocybin is lost to your digestive system, it all goes to your head.. MAOIs can be dangerous because of the tyramine thing, and should be studied before using..
Interesting, thank you
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: faslimy]
#4242872 - 06/01/05 01:22 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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If ever there was one is right. I haven't tasted a good tasting one yet, but I still eat the hell out of them.
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onefunguy
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: faslimy]
#4242891 - 06/01/05 01:33 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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wow kalix you know your shit . is that from a site ..if so could you post it so i can take a gander
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barisk
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: onefunguy]
#4243823 - 06/01/05 11:07 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes MAO-I must increase the potency as it inhibits the enzyme that breaks down serotonine and dopamine but on my personal experiences I don't find it so much difference.
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: barisk]
#4243892 - 06/01/05 11:32 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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psilocin is also a monoamine and is broken down by MAO
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tryptamine
note the slight chemical differences between these
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barisk
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Yes you are right it must make difference maybe I have to try more.
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: onefunguy]
#4245617 - 06/01/05 07:19 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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ALSO, if you plan on eating alot, i mean ALOT, make sure you're nowhere around 'no tresspassing' areas and other peoples property. a strong trip or hallucination can recreate your world entirely. like you may end up scaling a mountain to get to the mysterious and enchanting looking castle at the top, but in reality you're slowly crawling up somebody's front lawn towards their house.
i remember people used to eat rediculous amounts of shrooms. like in the hundreds of grams range and eating dried mushrooms until they were full of them like being full from a big meal or buffet.
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: felix]
#4245656 - 06/01/05 07:25 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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where dop u think ure gonna get an maoi anyway lol, they r uncommonly prescribed antidepressants and anti-parkinsonism meds, hard to come by plus the effects are drastic, u also have to watch ure tyramine intake when taking an MAOI as if u take in too much tyramine then u can end up in a hypertensive crisis ( ure bloodd pressure through the roof) my guess would be that would only occur from taking an MAOI regularly but still i wouldnt wanna fuck aroudn like that
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onefunguy
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i wanna find that castle:) ..........NIRVANA is the best existing... listen to the meat puppets krist noveselic and bud gah from sublime are in it.. great stuff... thanks for all the info everyone take it easy
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: onefunguy]
#4245832 - 06/01/05 08:24 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I want to find that castle too, but in a controlled environment, so the Castle isn't scaling a 50 foot tree in my backyard that I fall from and die. LOL.
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felix
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i think 'syrian rue' is a pretty strong MAOI
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: blissedout]
#4246009 - 06/01/05 09:16 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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blissedout said: Those mind loops aren't fun, at all! You get stuck on something, or a series of somethings that just goes around and around like a fucking broken record.
prepare by practicing concentration. looks like your real close to experiencing a hellish downward spiral.
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: felix]
#4246033 - 06/01/05 09:23 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've read that the benefit of vitamin C is that it simply acts as an antioxidant on the psilos the same as it acts in the body. This prevents the chemical degradation when heated, in air or in water. Though I've heard the same this about LSD and vitamin C so it may have something to do with maintaining healthy blood chemistry during a fast and drug fling...
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: drugsaregood]
#4246414 - 06/01/05 11:29 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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random information...
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onefunguy
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: felix]
#4246715 - 06/02/05 01:06 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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back to the topic what are you fav types of strains?
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: onefunguy]
#4246791 - 06/02/05 01:47 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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i've grown kamhui super strain, orissa india, and lipa yai so far, and although i'm early into the lipa yai and orissa's yield i think i might prefer either the super strain or orissa india to the lipa yai...it seems to be a slow colonizer, not very rhizomorphic, and otherwise slow all around.
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: onefunguy]
#4246812 - 06/02/05 01:59 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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onefunguy said:
back to the topic what are you fav types of strains?
South American...is almost perfect in my book.
African "Transkei"...try this one and you will see why Africans run around with bones in their noses!~
Orissa India...Cause I like the huge f#cking fruits it gives off!!! 21" long, 8" cap and 180 grams...is my biggest yet.
Cambodian...I love trippin on Cams...the colors are intense.
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onefunguy
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: Roadkill]
#4246850 - 06/02/05 02:17 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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haha them africans are great..hey road do you know if fsr canada has SA's
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: onefunguy]
#4246896 - 06/02/05 02:49 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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onefunguy said:
haha them africans are great..hey road do you know if fsr canada has SA's
good question!~
http://www.fsrcanada.com/index_files/AvailableStrains.htm
none listed...
they would have some...if I remembered to send my donation into Shdwstr!~
I'll try and send them out in the morning.
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onefunguy
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: Roadkill]
#4246901 - 06/02/05 02:53 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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i have already e-mail'd them for some reason i can't see the pics of the strains i don't get it .. i'm working on getting some gt's for now.. i will be sure to follow the guildlines and send tons of prints back VIVA LA FSR!!!!!
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: onefunguy]
#4247115 - 06/02/05 06:04 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Iread somewere that vitamic c helps enhance you trip. I'll try to find the article. It also said that it will lower anxiety during the trip. I write back when I find it!
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onefunguy
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: hollisatp]
#4280218 - 06/10/05 01:48 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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bump
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: onefunguy]
#4280356 - 06/10/05 02:27 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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As far as cultivating goes... the best strain i have ever seen is Thai Koh Samui Super Strain. The best trip? Penis Envy
Vitamin C increases my trips greatly, mostly the visuals.
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: Kalix]
#4280424 - 06/10/05 02:43 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Kalix said: monoamine oxidase inhibitors: Once the brain's three neurotransmitters, known as monoamines (serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine), have played their part in sending messages in the brain, they get burned up by a protein in the brain called monoamine oxidase, a liver and brain enzyme. If too many monoamines are absorbed, it leads to a chemical imbalance in the brain.
Antidepressants known as monoamine oxidase inhibitors, or maoi, work by blocking this cleanup activity. When the excess neurotransmitters don't get destroyed, they start piling up in the brain. And since depression is associated with low levels of these monoamines, it's not surprising that increasing the monoamines eases depressive symptoms.
Unfortunately, monoamine oxidase doesn't just destroy those neurotransmitters; it's also responsible for mopping up another amine called tyramine, a molecule that affects blood pressure. It is due to the tyramine that taking an MAOI requires that you stick with an extremely stringent diet, otherwise, you risk potentially devastating side effects to your body.
Basically, they shut down the cells that digest psilocybin (in this case) to your brain, so no psilocybin is lost to your digestive system, it all goes to your head.. MAOIs can be dangerous because of the tyramine thing, and should be studied before using..
thx for the clear and consice explanation to something i had been wondering about.
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Re: which strain is best ??? [Re: _blitzer]
#4280442 - 06/10/05 02:47 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was just curious, are the different highs from different mushrooms from the varrying ratios of alkaloids? If that would be the case, which alkaloid would attribute to visual hallucinations? Also, what's the difference in high between wet and dry mushrooms?
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I believe so...but remember there are probably dozens of alkaloids in the mushrooms affecting the trip and the aspects of it. No one knows exactly which do what or how they work exactly, or which gives you more "visuals" for sure.
I will say that Pan Cyans, are incredible for visuals...not sure what chemicals affect it or how but they are also just stronger all around too. There is much unknown about the chemicals in our little friends.
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