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tattwas-skrying and other things to do with them
    #4241500 - 05/31/05 09:12 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

hi. i'm really into the use of tattwas. i use them for skrying as well as other uses. i'm curious to hear anyones input on this board about their use and or experiences. i'm especially interested in how others here use them besides skrying but please feel free to contribute in anyway your input on the subject. if there is any interest in this thread i would be happy to share some of my findings and uses of them. but i dont want to pontificate if it turns out no one here is interested.
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Re: tattwas-skrying and other things to do with them [Re: Shnezbit]
    #4241516 - 05/31/05 09:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

what is tattwas something from Star Wars?


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Re: tattwas-skrying and other things to do with them [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4241601 - 05/31/05 09:47 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

lol. no they are ancient symbols from the hindu's which have to do with the 5 elements. there is a violet oval for spirit, blue circle for air, red triangle for fire, silver cresent for water and yellow square for earth. these five can been combined to form a total of 25 symbols. the most common thing to do with them is stare at them for a while-close your eyes and with your imagination pass through the after image as though its a door. you see visions that usually inform you about the nature of that element. but in my opinion there are probably an infinite amount of uses for them besides skrying.


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Re: tattwas-skrying and other things to do with them [Re: Shnezbit]
    #4241649 - 05/31/05 10:03 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

5 elements?
you know what's stupid is how every wise ancient culture has a different number of basic elements.
some say it's just water wind earth and fire
some say oh yeah also spirit.
Captain Planet and the Planeteers had 'heart' which I guess is the same as 'spirit' even though Captain Planet isn't an ancient culture but a cartoon (or is it???)
THe Chinese also have WOod and metal as basic elements.
And the Chakra system's got those elements, plus other stuff: third eye, uh...heart. like Captain Planet. Crown.
I don't know.

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Re: tattwas-skrying and other things to do with them [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4241704 - 05/31/05 10:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

the tattwas are linked with the chakra system. they are ascribed starting with spirit to the throat chakra and follow air-fire-water-earth with earth being in the chakra in the genital area, i think its called the muldahara. the only kundalini experience i ever had resulted from concentrating on the air tattwa for an extended period of time.
the five elements of the ancients are pretty consistent in eastern and western esoteric philosophy.
anybody here have any input about this topic?


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Re: tattwas-skrying and other things to do with them [Re: Shnezbit]
    #4241715 - 05/31/05 10:21 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Speak your mind, I am here to learn about different forms of mystic and spirituality stuffs.... 
I have heard of skrying, but until now, I never knew what it was exactly(and prolly still don't)....   
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I have nothing to share about this(that I know of), but I am interested in hearing more about it....    :thumbup:


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Re: tattwas-skrying and other things to do with them [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4241791 - 05/31/05 10:38 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

actually the four physical elements (earth, air, fire, water) are almost universal. Even the Souix indians had them. I forget who it was, but I'm sure it was a greek, that coined the term "quintessence" or "fifth essence/element" which was mysterious and powerful. I'm pretty sure this refers to "spirit/soul" or something that connects the other four together.

I could be wrong though, but this is my understanding of it.

I've never heard of skrying, but it sounds interesting. I need to get off my ass and learn more about chakras and energy stuff...


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Re: tattwas-skrying and other things to do with them [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4241843 - 05/31/05 10:50 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

well emotionallmotion, skrying is basically done like i described above...using an imaginary doorway and passing through it. there are other forms but i think the use of tattwas is pretty common. some people do it with their eyes open but ive been more successful with eyes closed. there is also the use of crystal balls and black mirrors. (i have a concave black mirror which is awesome for skrying). but any symbol can be used. tarot cards or sygils for instance.
but in keeping with the thread topic i'll stick to tattwas. usually there is a terrain or landscape that is consistent with the element. generally you want to see a guide who you can communicate with and gain info. i've found its rare a guide doesnt appear. there are ways of testing visions which can either enhance what you see which usually means its a true vision or otherwise it fades which means its false. for myself ive found testing not to be necessary. usually the vision unfolds naturally as long as i maintain relaxed and open to receiving it. ive gotten a deeper understanding of the nature of the 5 elements and their combinations. an understanding that is deeper than just litteral physical attributes. its an awareness of how these elements work not only physically but also mentally and astrally, both within myself and the universe outside of myself.experienceing the elements in this way brings me in touch with them and helps me realize how to use them to create change in my life. for instance by knowing the elements i have found it is posible to generate a current of energy in association with whatever given element and direct that energy towards some visualised goal that is associated with that element. i.e. a stronger will or discipline can be cultivated by use of the fire tattwa. calming emotions can be reached by using the nature of the water tattwa. etc. the possibilities in that direction are endless.


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Re: tattwas-skrying and other things to do with them [Re: Shnezbit]
    #4241883 - 05/31/05 11:00 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I work in a middle school as a crisis intervention/substance abuse specialist. Tomorrow is the last day of school for the kids. The art classes are doing ceramics and last Friday the art teacher gave me some clay for the weekend. Today I glazed a Tibetan Buddhist Chortan that I made last weekend - Yellow/Earth/Cube; White/Water/Sphere; Red/Fire/Cone; Green/Hemisphere/Air; Blue/Flame-Drop/Aether-Spirit. The art teacher put it in the kiln - should be done tomorrow.

Been practicing Yoga since 1973. Anything in particular you'd like to discuss?


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Re: tattwas-skrying and other things to do with them [Re: Shnezbit]
    #4241891 - 05/31/05 11:01 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

dr0mni, i think you might be speaking about the greek philosopher pythagoras. he often spoke of the 5 elements. his school used the symbol of the pentagram which is the symbol of the 4 elemnents joined by spirit. but probably all those philosphers make reference to the 5....im not as well read about that stuff to really say much for sure, maybe someone else here can educate us more on that topic. but i know the tattwas and the 5 elements are of ancient origin. ganesh, the elephant god of the hindus was said to be the father of them. they are tied to the concept of time and actually the tattwas are currents of energy that flow from the sun. each elemental tide lasts 24 minutes with the cycle repeating every 2 hours. spirit marks the first tide at sunrise and the cycles follow from there.


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Re: tattwas-skrying and other things to do with them [Re: Shnezbit]
    #4241922 - 05/31/05 11:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

markosthegnostic: would you share any insight or experience you might have with the tattwas? im not that up on yoga but i've seen the use mandalas(i think they are called that, maybe im wrong. they are like hexagrams in different colors with letters in the center i think) in the areas of the chakras rather than the simple forms of the tattwas as described above. i think this is common use in kundalini yoga. maybe you could share with us some insight about this as well.


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Re: tattwas-skrying and other things to do with them [Re: Shnezbit]
    #4243165 - 06/01/05 07:50 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Technically, I named the 'bhutas,' the 5 elements, which are a more gross (less subtle) manifestation of the 'tatvas.' Different Yoga schools attribute 25 or 26 tatvas, or 5 tatvas which maifest the body (for example) in 5 bhutas and 'rupa' [form, color]. All these categories of existence can be found in decent Yoga texts, but I'm more interested in 'Tatva Jnana' - 'True Knowledge' AKA 'Gnosis.'

Like other posts that I've made, e.g., Kabbalism, existence is a transformation from the Transcendental down through the essential, subtle and gross material domains. It often seems like mere fabrications tacked on to the bottom-line of material existence to suggest a much wider Reality, but after one has certain experiences of psychic and spiritual natures, one at least understands the models, and develops some faith in the truth of higher worlds and GOD.

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Re: tattwas-skrying and other things to do with them [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4245511 - 06/01/05 08:47 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

a substance abuse councilor with almost 3000 posts on the shroomery message boards... HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

If only they knew!!

But I suppose it's better that they have someone who makes the distinction between drug use and drug abuse.


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Re: tattwas-skrying and other things to do with them [Re: dr0mni]
    #4245975 - 06/01/05 11:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

They DO know. I was hired in 1986 for my street experience as well as my academic and counseling experience.


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