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Invisiblemecreateme
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Things I have learned from Ego Destruction
    #4238482 - 05/31/05 01:19 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Over the course of my deaths and rebirths I have learned a very useful thing and several others. Of course, it also took many nights of meditation and marijuana to come to the true understanding. Actually I have also slipped into this place during high dose trips as well, but it is easier to piece together when not in it but it is also easier to doubt it as well.:spliff: :stash: :3rd_eye:

That there is only one reality. It is, and it does it exist. You are a part of it, therefore you are it. It is all there is. All of human life is a symbol and category game. This is very useful in that communication is made possible between universes or microcosm, macrocosms. But, many people get lost in the symbolic game and often mistake symbols for real things. What I am getting at is all we ever do is put categories such as good, bad, meaningless, on the things we encounter and everything is inexorably connected. The categories are not real, the thing itself is real. Take some time to get to know IT. :heart:


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No ONE wants to know the ultimate TRUTH, as soon as YOU find IT out, YOU want to forget IT.

You are everything's way of feeling itself.

Happy Schwag, everygodly!


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Re: Things I have learned from Ego Destruction [Re: mecreateme]
    #4239017 - 05/31/05 07:27 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:

Sounds like some good ideas.

Just to play the devil's advocate here, you're saying that we shouldn't judge things as good or bad or meaningful. However sometimes those judgments are crucial to our survival...for example, what if you were walking and saw a cobra slithering around. Since it's just another object, not good or bad, you decide to play with it and so it bites you and you die. Labelling a cobra as "bad" or "dangerous" seems crucial for survival...no?


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Re: Things I have learned from Ego Destruction [Re: dblaney]
    #4239024 - 05/31/05 07:38 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I think dangerous to physical health and 'bad' are two different things. Just because something poses a threat to you does not make it evil..


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Re: Things I have learned from Ego Destruction [Re: dblaney]
    #4239025 - 05/31/05 07:39 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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dblaney18 said:
Labelling a cobra as "bad" or "dangerous" seems crucial for survival...no?



Yup, we need our labels for many reasons, but I think mecreateme's point is that we tend to forget that the cobra isn't ultimately bad or dangerous (that's all subjective), it just is. We see the world through our perception of it.

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Re: Things I have learned from Ego Destruction [Re: Tadpole]
    #4239525 - 05/31/05 12:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Exactly tadpole. We often see the labels and not the real thing. Don't get me wrong. I do not advocate getting rid of all labels, just like communication they are very important. I am just poiting out that those labels you put on something are merely exactly what they are a label placed on a thing. It is when people stop calling someone by their name and instead use a label on them, that the true sight is lost of what is really in front of them. We use the terms "drug users" to refer to our children as an example. And the police see no further than drug user, not little Timmy honor role student, just little thug punk druggie.


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Re: Things I have learned from Ego Destruction [Re: mecreateme]
    #4240036 - 05/31/05 03:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I am currently reading Aldoux Huxley's Doors or Perception and Heaven and Hell. This thread really reminds me of it, especially this statement
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Yup, we need our labels for many reasons, but I think mecreateme's point is that we tend to forget that the cobra isn't ultimately bad or dangerous (that's all subjective), it just is. We see the world through our perception of it.




Here is a link to an online version of The Doors of Perception, enjoy!
Aldoux Huxley's Doors of Perception :smile:


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Re: Things I have learned from Ego Destruction [Re: Kerr]
    #4241015 - 05/31/05 07:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks for the link, Ryan! I started reading it and it is very interesting!


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Re: Things I have learned from Ego Destruction [Re: Tadpole]
    #4241937 - 05/31/05 11:11 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Doors of Perception is a good book, Huxley was a brilliant man.

And mecreateme, I agree, there is always more than one side to a situation.

So tadpole, if I understand you correctly, you're saying that the cobra isn't inherently evil...it's because it has the power to kill, something we define as "bad" that it becomes "bad". ?

That's a good argument.


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"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


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Re: Things I have learned from Ego Destruction [Re: dblaney]
    #4243316 - 06/01/05 09:52 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, the point is that good and bad are just labels. They are not necessarily wrong, but they do not show the whole truth, just a tiny part of it. See mecreateme's drug user example.


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Re: Things I have learned from Ego Destruction [Re: Tadpole]
    #4243689 - 06/01/05 12:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

As I try different psychodelics especially anticholinergic ones(most of these considered as a delirant not psychodelic but it induces some kind of visions),I realise that there is no reality at all.
The every perception that you get is an illusion.For example we measure someones consciousness as knowing place,date,able to communication.When you get some kind of delirant you see yourself as another place or another time completely different from the reality.As it sounds exciting it is not always pleasurable.I remember that I am talking with all my friends like 6 hours with nobody except me in the room.Or reading a book in the library as I am looking a girl in front of me only lying on my bed.It is like dreaming.
So one can say there is no bad or good thats an human invention.As if some bacteria would rule the world they say humans are bad.But some are nice so we live with them :smile:.
Sometimes it hurts me to live in real world as I know here are alot of worlds around us that people cannot see them without drugs.And I think the real world they call is only a common perception that is the highest percentage of people agrees.In right time and condition there is experiences that cannot be repeated.But we cannot say them they are not real than the repeatable ones I think.


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The killer awoke before dawn, he put his boots on
He took a face from the ancient gallery
And he walked on down the hall
He went into the room where his sister lived, and...then he
Paid a visit to his brother, and then he
He walked on down the hall, and
And he came to a door...and he looked inside
Father, yes son, I want to kill you
Mother...I want to...fuck you
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