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#4236467 - 05/30/05 11:45 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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A recent poster said we make little progress on these boards. The lack of progress is not due to the discusssions, but the lack of integration. People read and don't absorb or practice.
For years, I have "preached" emotional control; yet we are daily faced with the same outbursts; the same personal attacks; the same anger. If we cannot grow past this first grade hurdle, how can we go truly deep into spirituality?
Others "preach" meditation. Meditation is about control and awareness.
Anger is for most, an unconscious reflex usually triggered, not by what is going on, but by some internal projection. If it is a knee-jerk response, then that is the antithesis to awareness.
Sleep-walking is not a part of spirtuality; of being fully human; it is about being a conditioned robotic machine.
Wake up and break the chains! YOU CHOOSE YOUR EMOTIONS!
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 Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: Swami]  1
#4236538 - 05/30/05 12:15 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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For years, I have "preached" emotional control
The Vulcans would love you. 
Just kidding.
The day I realized I could control how I chose to react to situations and people was a pretty good day. I had been hearing "life is 10% what happens and 90% how you react to it" my entire life, but it took such a long time before I understood how true that saying really was.
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: Swami]
#4236635 - 05/30/05 12:55 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Swami said:
Sleep-walking is not a part of spirituality; of being fully human; it is about being a conditioned robotic machine.
Wake up and break the chains! YOU CHOOSE YOUR EMOTIONS!
Indeedilly doo. 
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: MOTH] 1
#4236663 - 05/30/05 01:07 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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The Vulcans would love you.
Many perceive control as the extreme of being totally non-feeling. Not true. I laugh easily, love deeply, cry at the end of romantic movies and write beautiful music.
The point is not letting triggered responses getting you to do or say things you would not consciously choose in a calmer moment. That is all.
I hear all the time, "Well, I have a bad temper. That is just the way I am." This is a lie they tell themselves to avoid responsibility and change. Frequently, it is a form of manipulation. "If I scare people with my outburst, they might acquiesce to my demands."
The day I realized I could control how I chose to react to situations and people was a pretty good day.
That is spiritual maturity.
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: Swami] 1
#4236705 - 05/30/05 01:20 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its not so much that you CONTROL your emotions, it more that you choose how you react toward them, and what you attitude is toward them. That's the main point. If you try to CONTROL your emotions you can actually do alot of damage to yourself mentally by attempting to suppress natural processes in the mind. Not getting lost in emotional states is the way forward spiritually, you still feel those emotions and feelings 100%, but you aren't solidifying and buying into them as if they were something real, permanent and substantial. Spirituality for me is the non-act of gradually letting go of this illusion of control to gain insight and a better understanding of what is going on. Essentially there is nothing wrong with the emotions themselves, its just that our reactions and attitudes toward them are delusional when they remain unchecked through lack of reflection on their impermanent, unsubstantial nature.
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: egghead1] 1
#4236875 - 05/30/05 02:05 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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With practice, one may get to a point where neither choice nor control is necessary. This occurs by acknowledging and removing the hair-triggers, by understanding that events are not personal.
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: Swami]
#4236986 - 05/30/05 02:32 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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With practice, one may get to a point where neither choice nor control is necessary. This occurs by acknowledging and removing the hair-triggers, by understanding that events are not personal.
I don't know about that Swami, i can think of many events in my life that have been deeply personal. But all events in life are impermanent, so as long as we recognize this and observe ourselves and our emotions carefully, we can come to a point where we can observe that fully and accept what is happening in that natural process and let go.
I think many people develop anger problems out of fear of that anger, they try to hide or run away from the anger itself, becuase they think that if they face it, its going to swallow them up, but the facts are that running and hiding from this emotions only feeds it and intensifies the pain which is associated with the grasping mechanism involved. If we can face all of our emotions directly, without involving our habitual tendencies of grasping and attachment, through the clear recognition of the impermanent nature of apparent phenomena, the emotion itself no longer appears as an enemy or something that we need to separate ourselves from, instead we see clearly, as it is, just a naturally liberating movement of mental energy. Because if we observe the emotion carefully, we can see that there is a moment of arising, a moment of being, and a moment of dissolving. When we see this, our emotions no longer have any control over us
Seeing this directly is called insight. this insight gives us freedom from our habitual patterns in which we have no choice how we react, we are imprisoned by them, it just happens and we don't even notice what is happening due to our lack of awareness and reflection, then we can create all kinds of problem fro ourselves and others. So we need to move from a place of no choice, to a place where we have full choice, freedom and natural control over our emotions and actions.
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: Swami]
#4237350 - 05/30/05 04:28 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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A recent poster said we make little progress on these boards. The lack of progress is not due to the discusssions, but the lack of integration. People read and don't absorb or practice.
Although I can see where you're coming from, the discussion in itself can detract from spiritual advancement. To me, at least, spirituality is about realising and 'feeling to be true' what you already knew. Raising new topics and asking new questions is good in se, but can detract from contemplation and observation of the self.
I myself have mastered my emotions to a great degree. I still have bad days, but they only come around once every year. I no longer relish in the bloodlust as much as I used to, so it has grown out of me spontaneously.
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: Alan Stone]
#4238457 - 05/30/05 11:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Although I can see where you're coming from, the discussion in itself can detract from spiritual advancement.
You really lost me here, bro. We come to discuss. If topics catch no one's interest, they die out quickly. If many participate, but it is not to your taste, you are free to start your own topic or participate in the ones that hold interest to you.
Raising new topics and asking new questions is good in se, but can detract from contemplation and observation of the self.
Nothing stops anyone from turning off their computer and contemplating. As to self-observation, any post that creates a reaction is an opportunity for self-examination.
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: Swami]
#4238496 - 05/30/05 11:24 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Discussion forums like this are great for examining your own beliefs. Present your views on a subject and watch them get bombarded from every angle.
One of my professors gives us two assignments with every paper we write. The first is the primary topic paper, the second is a shorter paper attacking the first. The grade is based on how thoroughly you understand the subject, not how well you can present one side of it.
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: orechron] 1
#4238508 - 05/30/05 11:28 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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to me anger is just the result of fear which roots from the fact that we cannot control others
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: Troutmask]
#4238568 - 05/30/05 11:48 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Some of us cannot control others... 
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 Emotional (un)Conditioning & Colors and Tonal Notes/Frequencies.... [Re: Swami]
#4238585 - 05/30/05 11:53 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I am thinking that there are ways to alter or calm ones emotions with sounds and colors.... I believe there is a link between all of it....
If you watch a sad movie with no music, it would not be nearly as sad as it would be with the sad music....
Why do they play "elevator" music in elevators....? (besides to drown out a little fart ) I think they do it to calm and sooth some of the anxiety people sometimes feel from being in close quarters in a confined place....
I also remember studies of people listening to classical music when they read or study.... I *think* it was prooven to show a result of better understanding and retention of the studied/read material....
With colors, I remember seeing a scientific test/research on a show when I was a kid.... They had a body builder who was very consistant on his performances.... As he would do a specific set of exercises they would hold a large colored sheet of paper in front of him so he could only see that color.... I only remember one result.... When they held up the pink colored sheet, he could only do half of the set that he was normally able to do.... ---Then when they put up the next color HE COULD DO the set, completely.... Everything was consistant with rest times and such....
After I saw that, I was wondering why they wouldn't paint all of the jail cells of violent people pink, and play elevator music for them.... 
They call light bulbs of different color as "mood lighting".... As you can say the same with "mood music".... eMotions are something that I am striving to "figure out", and has always been a big interest of mine.... Now in my spritualistic studies, I have noticed a consistancy in the colors of the chakras being specific colors.... Then soon after I was looking up Tibetan Singing Bowls in my interest of spiritual growth.... Imagine my surprise when the individual natural notes of the Singing Bowls specifically coinsided with the chakras - and the colors of them....
It is my belief that expressions of music and art are expressions of mood/eMotion, and are all tied to specific colors and tones of ones internal emotional state/balance.... And one can "align" their own eMotional state to certain colors and tonal notes.... In this way, "perfect pitch" can be learned, and can be aided by visualizing the correct color/vibration/tone/eMotional relation.... I also believe that scents and taste are related to this, but I have not gone that far yet....
Perhaps we are all "off" (or at least the ones who have not mastered this ability) from being "in tune" and "in control" of our eMotional states.... We are conditioned in a seemingly world of chaotic sounds and colors.... Nothing is "in tune" for us to calibrate to - unless some effort is made to get "in tune"....
I believe that when our "eMotional body" is in "proper tune", controling the eMotions are just one step closer to living a better life, as well as a more healthy life....
These are just my beliefs that I have surmised on my own.... I do not have any data to back ANY of this up, they are my growing "understanding" to what I have found so far in my study/intuitions on the subject.... Hopefully I will figure it all out one day, and make an "understanding breakthru" that may change the world for the better....!
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: Swami]
#4238609 - 05/31/05 12:01 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good post. I have been recently thinking about this, in light of the book I have been reading, "A purpose driven life" or whatever it's called.
If one can assume that there is a God watching us, and that He watches us not only for how we make do with what He has given us, but for also how we handle situations, then I guess He watches us when we become angry at others for perceived slights.
I am not a saint (yet  ), so I am going to be working on this spiritual side of me: The spirit in me that becomes pissed off when I perceive a slight directed at me.
Good point, Swami.
I think that regardless of under what umbrella we are spiritual, all religions seem to promote a self-less, "love one another" philosophy. How many of us practice that? How often do we become angry at others, for whatever reason, even when unnecessary?
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: Swami]
#4238681 - 05/31/05 12:32 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree that a person should learn to bridle their emotions, although I don't know if there's a single person in this world that can always have perfect control over their emotions in every circumstance.
The way I like to look at it, a person should always take responsibility for their emotions, which is to say: we should own up to our emotions. If we loose our temper or otherwise act inappropriately, we should acknowledge our fault, try to set things right, and exersize greater self discipline in the future.
We may learn to keep our emotions within bounds, but still I think everyone still has their 'flash point' (the temperature at which a given substance ignites). In the furnace of adversity and by the cool waters of temperance, we forge for ourselves a character of integrity.
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: soulmotion]
#4238689 - 05/31/05 12:37 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have always heard "Take a DEEP breath and count to ten" before you react to something....
That could be good for some people to practice getting "control" of how they act/react in certain "heated" situations....
The calmer you stay in outword actions/vocally, sometimes the calmer the situation stays....
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: Swami]
#4238795 - 05/31/05 01:53 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Swami said; "YOU CHOOSE YOUR EMOTIONS!"
In the post I put up last week called CHOICES-INSPIRATIONAL you said,
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"Moods have MUCH to do with levels of serotonin and other neuro-transmitters. People are generally known to be more grumpy when sick or tired. Now why is that, if it is all choice?
"My entire family was wiped out by the tsunami? NP. Look at that glorious sunset!"
Uh-huh... "
Which is it swami? Do we choose our emotions or don't we? The two messages are inconsistant.
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Good call.
Your CHOICES thread convinced and I changed my stance to agree with you.
Actually it is both. Ill-health, fatigue and extraordinary events can definitely affect mood. But what of "normal" daily events? What I am trying to convey is that recognizing and deleting trigger points enables one to remain more-centered.
Most all negative emotion is created by a discrepancy between "they way things should be be" (subjective) with "the way things are" (objective).
For example, I have been watching the French Open Tennis Championship. Some players accept the linesman's ruling as part of the game even when they go against the players. Agassi is a perfect example of this. He wastes no energy "fighting" the calls. Other players throw temper tantrums because the world doesn't cave in to their demand that everything go their way. Federer used to be this way; yelling and smahing racquets. He mastered this basic and now is #1.
This is not suppression; it is understanding and acceptance.
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: Swami]
#4238838 - 05/31/05 02:38 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sweet on he considerations for both being at play!
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: Swami]
#4238860 - 05/31/05 02:56 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Most all negative emotion is created by a discrepancy between "they way things should be be" (subjective) with "the way things are" (objective).
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This is not suppression; it is understanding and acceptance.
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The discrepancy is caused by subjectively manifested expectations....
This could be a created form of suppression, if one does not outwardly act on mentally created unfullfilled expectation(s)....
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Why should I want to choose my emotions?
Why should I want that kind of responsibility?
Whats in it for me?
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 Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: slaphappy]
#4239833 - 05/31/05 12:05 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I realize your post was directed at eMotionAllmotion, but it is meaningful to me, so I will respond! 
I wondered the same thing when I was first exposed to this idea.
I am not religious, so the whole "going to hell" threat was not effective in convincing me that I should behave.
I also (at the time) believed that it was good for me to vent my anger. I thought that keeping it bottled up was the only alternative.
When I was challenged to experiment with choosing my responses, rather than going with my instant reactions, I expected to dump the practice as soon as I had proven I could do it.
Instead, I found that my experience of life became more pleasant! When I wasn't focusing on all the things that angered me, all the ways everyone else was thoughtless and deficient, I had energy to enjoy my life.
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: Veritas]
#4239879 - 05/31/05 12:21 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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If we bottle up anger, our mental state only increases in anxiety and agitation over time until our anger explodes like in some instances of road rage, where people fsnap, take out a gun, and shoot the other driver. We all know that an angry state of mind is not a happy or peacful one, if we vent our anger this only increase our habitual tendencies to react to anger further, making us even more miserable.
So, there must be a another way of dealing with this powerful emotion, the middle way is in non-judgemental observation, you just simply watch the anger, face it directly, then relax and let go in the face of it, this takes practice, but If you dont feed an emotion, it just dies, like when you forget to feed your goldfish, it dies, just like that, but we also see that the anger is nothing, its transparent, it has no solidity, this can free us from our negative reactions toward it. With this method we can decrease our habitual tendencies toward anger and we no longer bottle it up. When practicing this way we increase our happiness and general peace of mind, whilst avoiding creating further problems for ourselves and others.
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: egghead1]
#4239935 - 05/31/05 12:37 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, exactly!
I was limited in my thinking about emotions due to lack of information. I had believed that there were only two options: keep in or let it out. My experiments with choosing my response (as opposed to allowing it to choose me!) expanded my knowledge of the options available to me.
I also began to read about Rational-Emotive Behavioral Therapy, founded by Albert Ellis, and taught myself to use the methods for disputing irrational beliefs.
I have found that by changing my beliefs about how things "should" be, and beginning to accept the way things actually ARE, I do not experience anger in the way I used to.
When I sense the emergence of a frustration reaction, I put myself on a "time out" to examine the irrational beliefs I hold about the event I just experienced. The combination of examination and disputation is more effective for me than observation alone. I believe that disputation helps me to pull the weed, whereas observation just deprives the weed of water in the moment.
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: Veritas]
#4239992 - 05/31/05 12:55 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, thats right, i think many people may be in the dark about these methods. Behavoiral analysis being the active approach, while non-judgmental observation being the passive one. I see no reason why these two cannot be combined together to achieve the end result, in fact it may be much more effective to do so.
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: Veritas]
#4240040 - 05/31/05 01:09 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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This is going off on a related semi-tangent, mostly seeking advice.
Do you still come up against situations where you can't force yourself to take a mental time out? I come up against those at work very frequently, and am expecting many more within the next 3 weeks. I'm a lifeguard/swimming instructor and am responsible for scheduling all the lessons and placing the kids in their proper ability level. This invariably leads to conflict when the mother thinks her little Bobby is the next Ian Thorpe and won't accept that he's a mediocre swimmer working at his ability where I've got him. In the past I've organized my classes for the first two weeks giving the mothers the benefit of doubt and placing their child in a higher level. Two weeks later I invariably have to restructure all of my classes, time has been wasted , the kid is often frustrated about the whole concept of swimming lessons since he was thrown into something he wasn't prepared for, and the mother is still waxing poetic about what a remarkable young athlete Bobby is and how he should be in the class I originally placed him in.
I'm sure you can imagine how frustrating this gets when 20+ mothers get on my back when I'm only trying to do my job and get their kid to be a great swimmer who loves being in the water. I've never actually snapped at one of them but the anger is still very much there.
This year I'm going to stick to my guns and put the kids in the classes they belong in until THEY show me they belong somewhere else. I'm expecting repercussions here like never before but it's in everyones best interest so I know its right.
That said, any suggestions on how to deal with these people without becoming pissed off 10 hours a day? One of two complaints I can handle but when there's a line of Avon clad supermoms complaining every day I'm at work it just becomes miserable.
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: egghead1]
#4240077 - 05/31/05 01:18 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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that's some good posts
it used to be someone would say something to me i'd obsess over it for i dunno how long. something really bad sometimes i'd still obsess months later.
i always felt like i was angry/sad and the feelings were the problem. and obsessing felt like it would get rid of this stuff.
finally it occurred to me i could just let go. the feeling happens, i dont have to keep thinking about it.
i have been so much more stable/level-headed/able to face just about anything.
sometimes feelings will go unconscious and affect me adversely in other ways. (i still lie to myself. but who doesn't.)
i hardly ever obsess about shit anymore. when i catch myself i usually stop. honestly it gives me the confidence to risk myself in lots of different situations because i know that if something goes the wrong way i can deal with it.
i try to tell other people about how great it is to stop obsessing/make the most/dont be so rigid but i never make much headway.
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: crunchytoast]
#4240158 - 05/31/05 01:39 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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you can chose from this vantage point of clarity, then you can practice your smartly chosen masks.
one must accept that this vantage point (clarity, or mastery) is fleeting, and needs lots of co-operation from the other (matrix of selves).
anyway when this moment of clarity has passed, once again the sleep walker will convey you. (the old rider and horse analogy, master over matrix).
while the master is resting (from all the effort of choosing and thinking) the matrix of functional masks are very useful (like a horse-beast is this matrix-automation) - most of the sequences we express are these replays without too much clarity.
confusion may arise from the use of the term control:
the control of the reaction matrix is internal and automatic, for the most part it is much too fast and complex to try to control directly, but we can program it gently.
we program by repetition - selecting direction and being consistent. In that way we transfer the instructions from master to matrix, or from rider to horse. later during riding the results of smaller efforts are excellent.
this kind of control - is hardly control at all, it is methodical management of one's personal space.
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: orechron]
#4240441 - 05/31/05 02:43 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I realize it may not seem so, but you are in an excellent position to practice conscious choice!
You have the benefit of knowing in advance the situations you are likely to encounter, you know you are likely to encounter the same or similar responses from the mothers who object to their children's placement, and you are clear on your goals and preferences.
Because you have past experience in dealing with complaints/requests for changes of placement, you can rehearse your response.
This is beneficial for two reasons:
1. It lowers the "juice" quotient for you, because you will have reduced the novelty of the experience long before you are faced with an actual confrontation.
2. It can help you clarify your position and bring up any areas of uncertainty or confusion before you are dealing with an "opponent" who might use them to her advantage.
Ask a friend to help, or just use a mirror, and act out the scenario you expect to experience. Monitor your reactions, especially any increase in physical tension, and take breaks whenever your calm certainty wobbles. Relax your body, take deep breaths, and work on your "broken record" message.
The broken record is an effective technique to use with unreasonable people. Develop a sentence which expresses your stand on this issue, i.e. "I appreciate your position, however, my placement will stand until I see skill improvement which warrants a change."
You can repeat this, or slight variations on it, as long as they persist in their attempt to manipulate you.
Best of luck!
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: slaphappy]
#4240539 - 05/31/05 03:12 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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slaphappy said:
1) Why should I want to choose my emotions?
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2) Why should I want that kind of responsibility?
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3) Whats in it for me?
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1) You may be already choosing your emotions in an automatic and conditioned way....?
2) To free yourself from conditioned eMotional responses...?
3) Happiness and/or Balance in your eMotions could be an outcome...? You may get out of it what you put into it....
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Re: Anger and Emotional Choice [Re: Swami]
#4240585 - 05/31/05 03:21 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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You really lost me here, bro. We come to discuss.
I just meant that while discussion can and does focus thoughts and contemplation, the act iself can also detract from spiritual advancement because the latter takes place in the mind of just one, not in the voices of many.
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If topics catch no one's interest, they die out quickly. If many participate, but it is not to your taste, you are free to start your own topic or participate in the ones that hold interest to you.
I implied nothing (or didn't mean to imply, at least) anything of the sort. All discussions can be interesting, even those about the weather (sometimes those in particular! ), but if one gets caught up in discussing for the sake of discussion, no advancement will take place.
Note that I wasn't trying to contest what you said. I was trying to broaden the scope and find additional causes.
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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
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