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Multiculturalism
#4234349 - 05/29/05 07:08 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Do you think multiculturism, or the introduction of many races and cultures, into the U.S., Europe, Canada and other countries is a good idea? Does it help diversify the nation and increase tolerance, or does it only increase crime and create racial tensions?
If you support multiculturalism, do you believe it should be encouraged by using policies to help expedite the process?
If you are against multiculturalism, do you believe steps should be taken to stop it or even expel multicultural aspects from these nations?
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Ravus]
#4234351 - 05/29/05 07:10 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Leave the government out of it. Nuff said.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Silversoul]
#4234392 - 05/29/05 07:27 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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So the government should be completely neutral on multiculturalism?
I can see you're not a liberal.
Personally, I don't necessarily believe multiculturalism is a good thing, and it does lead to many unnecessary problems, but the government shouldn't resist the people. The best way for the government to do this is obviously to remain neutral and let the people argue and believe as they will.
But Paradigm, what if it was the will of the people that immigration should be halted? Shouldn't the proud people of Canada be able to vote and tell their government that they don't want any more mass influxes of immigrants into their country? If the government remained completely neutral, it could actually go against the people's wishes, and wouldn't this be a violation of the Canadians rights to choose issues significant to their country?
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Ravus]
#4234401 - 05/29/05 07:30 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I reject multiculturalism for the most part. I think new immigrants should assimilate more, and I dont agree that multiculturalism is a valid end unto itself. At school they shove multiculturalism down my throat as though having an immigrant sit behind me in class is going to improve my education somehow. Thats a lie, and the only reason they push multiculturalism is they have guilt about being white Americans, and somehow multiculturalism makes up for the sins of the white man.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Ravus]
#4234525 - 05/29/05 08:32 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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If people do not want to assimilate into the culture where they are immigrating to, then they should not go there.
It seems that people often want to immigrate to a better country and then try to make that country adapt to their old culture. This obviously brings an undeserved burden to the new, better country.
Of course there is plenty of room to keep aspects of cultures but you need to at least learn the language, respect the customs, and just generally integrate into society. They owe at least that much to their new countries.
Government sponsored multiculturalism is simply institutionalized racism.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Catalysis]
#4234713 - 05/29/05 09:42 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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If people do not want to assimilate into the culture where they are immigrating to, then they should not go there.
As long as they can speak the language and abide by the law of the land I have no problem with immigrants. When a city is forced to use two languages due to immigrants I see that as a problem.
Even where I am in FL there is a shit ton of spanish spoken. I have no problem and actually enjoy the change so long as I can always get what I need by speaking English.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: DieCommie]
#4235816 - 05/30/05 04:37 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
DieCommie said: the only reason they push multiculturalism is they have guilt about being white Americans, and somehow multiculturalism makes up for the sins of the white man.
I thought being conservative was supposed to be about rational thinking and logic. I had no idea it had anything to do with thinking you can read other peoples minds. Tell me, what data do you have to back up this ridiculously paranoid statement?
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Silversoul]
#4235913 - 05/30/05 06:37 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Paradigm said: Leave the government out of it. Nuff said.
what about immigration laws?
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Ravus]
#4235993 - 05/30/05 08:24 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think that multiculturalism is a good thing, but I don't think the government should have to make any real regulations or laws to make it work.
Segregation only helps to breed distrust, hate, and racism.
Having many cultures living together creates a variety like no other, and over time helps people to understand other cultures. Yes there will be problems, but I think in the end they will work themselves out. Most of the problems probably come from first and second-generation immigrants, who have not had time to adapt themselves to the cultures around them. However when their children go to school with children from other cultures, and spend so much time with children from other cultures, they are able to gain the respect and understanding needed to live in a multicultural society. Within a few generations, things tend to work themselves out (without government intervention).
If you want an example of multiculturalism at work, just take a look at Toronto, Canada. It's been voted the most multicultural city in the world, and certainly seems that way. Yet it doesn't have a lot of the racial tension or problems that I have seen in many other cities.
"Multicultural melting pot" is the phrase our government likes to use.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: BanJankri]
#4235999 - 05/30/05 08:28 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Multiculturalism does not equal unfettered immigration.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: zappaisgod]
#4375573 - 07/06/05 11:57 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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No, but you can hardly say canada has that either. Canada is certainly pro-multiculturalism, and that is certainly reflective of its policy.
Its immigration process, rather, refelcts that position rather than the other way around. We don't screen by race.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Ravus]
#4375950 - 07/06/05 02:02 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I support multiculturalism.
I've heard the argument that the "only reason" anyone supports multiculturalism is out of "white guilt", and that's just as stupid an oversimplification as saying that the only reason anyone would be against multiculturalism is because they hate other cultures.
I've spent a good deal of time living in Toronto, which is widely regarded as a place where multiculturalism is a success. Not to say that racial tension is nonexistant, but the situation certainly doesn't seem to match much of what I hear about in the US.
I'm not sure that forcing people to abandon their culture if they want to move to Canada or the US is a good idea. One of the reasons I enjoyed living in Toronto was because there was such a huge range of cultural diversity. You can find foods from all over the world, and hey, if you want to play computer games at an internet cafe for really cheap, find one of the hole-in-the-wall Korean owned ones. Sure the computers are running the Korean version of Windows, but you can generally find what you need.
I dont understand why some people get so pissed off at the idea that they might have to deal with someone whose english isnt perfect. Its a big world, english isnt the only language on the planet, and it would be pretty boring if it were. Some people get so angry about these things, as though they have the right to only have to hear their own language.
I dont know how many people actually do things like this, but I remember walking down the street with someone I know, and when he heard a couple of people talking in some asian language, he started whining about how they shouldnt even be here if they arent going to bother to learn english, as though he was being violated by not being allowed to eavesdrop.
Im also not sure that I understand why some people believe multiculturalism is being "forced down their throats". Have they been forced to learn another language? Forced to attend theater put on by other cultures? What exactly is being forced upon who?
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: DieCommie]
#4376140 - 07/06/05 02:58 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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At school they shove multiculturalism down my throat as though having an immigrant sit behind me in class is going to improve my education somehow.
How do they shove it down your throat? I'm not sure what the hell that's even supposed to mean?
Does having to sit near immgrants count as having multiculturalism shoved down your throat?
Are you being forced to do anything in particular, or does just occasionally having to hear about other cultures somehow make you feel violated?
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Phluck]
#4376371 - 07/06/05 03:48 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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No successful society shows a spontaneous tendency towards multiculturalism or multiracialism.
http://www.grecoreport.com/multiculturalism_and_marxism.htm
Multiculturalism and Marxism -- Part I
by Professor Frank Ellis
[Joe McCarthy may have been a drunk and everything else. He used a shotgun rather than a rifle. But what's been coming out of the Soviet Union since the fall of the Iron Curtain supports much of what he claimed back in the 1950's about communist activity in the United States.
Insight magazine, 23 September 2002.]
No successful society shows a spontaneous tendency towards multiculturalism or multiracialism. Successful and enduring societies show a high degree of homogeneity. Those who support multiculturalism either do not know this, or, what is more likely, realize that if they are to transform Western society into strictly regulated, racial-feminist bureaucracies they must first undermine these societies.
This transformation is as radical and revolutionary as the project to establish Communism in the Soviet Union was. Just as every aspect of life had to be brought under political control in order for the commissars to impose their vision of society, the multiculturalists hope to control and dominate every aspect of our lives. Unlike the hard tyranny of the Soviets, theirs is a softer, gentler tyranny but one with which they hope to bind us as tightly as a prisoner in the gulag. Today's "political correctness" is the direct descendant of Communist terror and brainwashing.
Unlike the obviously alien implantation that was Communism, what makes multiculturalism particularly insidious and difficult to combat is that it usurps the moral and intellectual infrastructure of the West. Although it claims to champion the deepest held beliefs of the West, it is in fact a perversion and systematic undermining of the very idea of the West.
What we call "political correctness" actually dates back to the Soviet Union of the 1920s (politicbeskaya pravil 'nost' in Russian), and was the extension of political control in education, psychiatry, ethics, and behavior. It was an essential component of the attempt to make sure that all aspects of life were consistent with ideological orthodoxy which is the distinctive feature of all totalitarianism. In the post-Stalin period, political correctness even meant that dissent was seen as a symptom of mental illness, for which the only treatment was incarceration.
As Mao Tse-Tung, The Great Helmsman , put it, "Not to have a correct political orientation is like not having a soul." Mao's little red book is full of exhortations to follow the correct path of Communist thought and by the late l980s Maoist political correctness was well established in American universities. The final stage of development, which we are witnessing now, is the result of cross-fertilization with all the other "isms" -- anti-racism, feminism, structuralism, and post-modernism, which now dominate university curricula. The result is a new and virulent strain of totalitarianism, whose parallels to the Communist era are obvious.
Today's dogmas have led to rigid requirements of language, thought, and behavior, and violators are treated as if they were mentally unbalanced, just as Soviet dissidents were.
Some have argued that it is unfair to describe Stalin's regime as "totalitarian," pointing out that one man, no matter how ruthlessly he exercised power, could not control the functions of the state. But, in fact, he didn't have to. Totalitarianism was much more than state terror, censorship, and concentration camps; it was a state of mind in which the very thought of having a private opinion or point of view had been destroyed. The totalitarian propagandist forces people to believe that slavery is freedom, squalor is bounty, ignorance is knowledge and that a rigidly closed society is the most open in the world. And once enough people are made to think this way it is functionally totalitarian even if a single dictator does not personally control everything.
Today, of course, we are made to believe that diversity is strength, perversity is virtue, success is oppression, and that relentlessly repeating these ideas over and over is tolerance and diversity. Indeed the multicultural revolution works subversion everywhere, just as communist revolutions did. Judicial activism undermines the rule of law, "tolerance" weakens the condition that makes real tolerance possible; universities which should be havens of free enquiry practice censorship that rivals that of the Soviets. At the same time we find a relentless drive for equality: [Homer], the Bible, Shakespeare, and "rap" music are just texts with "equally valid perspectives." Today Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment would have been repackaged as Crime and Counseling.
In the Communist era, the totalitarian state was built on violence. The purpose of the l930s and the Great Terror [of the French Revolution ] (which was Mao's model for the Cultural Revolution) uses violence against "class enemies" to compel loyalty. Party members signed death warrants for "enemies of the people" knowing that the accused were innocent, but believing in the correctness of the charges. In the 1930s, collective guilt justified murdering millions of Russian peasants. As cited by Robert Conquest in The Horror of Sorrowing (p. 143), the state's view of this class was "not one of them was guilty of anything, but they belonged to a class that was guilty of everything." Stigmatizing entire institutions and groups makes it much easier to carry out wholesale change.
This, of course, is the beauty of "racism" and "sexism" for today's culture attackers -- sin can be extended far beyond individuals to include institutions, literature, language, history, laws, customs, entire civilizations. The charge of "institutional racism" is no different than declaring an entire economic class an enemy of the people. "Racism" and "sexism: are multiculturalism's assault weapons, its Big Ideas, just as class warfare was for Communists, and the effects are the same. If a crime can be collectivized, all can be guilty because they belong to the wrong group. When young whites are victims of racial preferences they are today's version of the Russian peasants. Even if they themselves have never oppressed anyone, they "belong to the race that is guilty of everything."
The purpose of these multicultural campaigns is to destroy the self. The mouth moves, the right gestures follow, but they are the mouth and gestures of a zombie, the new Soviet man or today, PC-man. Once enough people have been conditioned this way, violence is no longer necessary; we reach steady-state totalitarianism, in which the vast majority know what is expected of them and play their allotted roles.
The Russian experiment with revolution and totalitarian social engineering has been chronicled by two of that country's greatest writers, Dostoyevsky and Solzhenitsyn. They brilliantly dissect the methods and psychology of totalitarian control. Dostoyevsky's The Devils has no equal as a penetrating and disturbing analysis of the revolutionary and totalitarian mind. The "devils" are radical students of the middle and upper classes flirting with something they do not understand. The ruling class seeks to ingratiate itself with them. The universities have essentially declared war on society at large. The great cry of the student radicals is freedom, freedom, from the established norms of society, freedom from manners, freedom from inequality, freedom from the past.
Russia's descent into vice and insanity is a powerful warning of when a nation declares war on the past in the hope of building a terrestrial paradise. Dostoyevsky did not live to see the abominations he predicted, but Solzhenitsyn experienced them firsthand. The Gulag Archipelago and August 1914 can be seen as histories of ideas, as attempts to account for the dreadful fate that befell Russia after 1917. Solzhenitsyn identifies education, and the way teachers saw their duty as instilling hostility in all forms of traditional authority, as the major factors that explain why Russia's youth was seduced by revolutionary ideas. In the West during the 1960s and 1970s -- which collectively can be called "the 60s" -- we hear a powerful echo of the mental capitulation of Russia that took place in the 1870s and continued through the revolution. One of the echoes of Marxism that continues to reverberate today is that truth resides in class (or sex or race or erotic orientation ).
Truth is not something to be established by rational enquiry, but depends on the perspective of the speaker. In the multicultural universe, a person's perspective is "valued" (a favorite word) according to class. Feminists, blacks, environmentalists, and homosexuals have a greater claim to truth because they are oppressed. They see truth more clearly than the white heterosexual men who "oppress" them. This is a perfect mirror image of the Marxist proletariat's moral and intellectual superiority over the bourgeoisie.
Today, "oppression" confers a "privileged perspective" that is essentially infallible. To borrow an expression from Robert Bork's Slouching towards Gomorrah, blacks and feminists are [as] "case hardened against logical argument" as Communist true believers are. Indeed, feminists and anti-racist activists openly reject objective truth. Confident that they have intimidated their opposition, feminists are able to make all kinds of demands on the assumption that men and women are equal in every way. When outcomes do not match that belief, this is only more evidence of white-male deviltry.
One of the most depressing sights in the West today, particularly in the Universities and the media, is the readiness to treat feminism as a major contribution to knowledge and to submit to its absurdities. Remarkably, this requires no physical violence. It is the desire to be accepted that makes people truckle to these middle-class, would-be revolutionaries.
Peter Verkovensky, who orchestrates murder and mayhem in The Devils, expresses it with admirable contempt: "All I have to do is raise my voice and tell them that they are not sufficiently liberal." The race hustlers, of course play the same game. Accuse a liberal of "racism" and "sexism" and watch him fall apart in an orgy of self-flagellation and Marxist self-criticism. Even "conservatives" wilt at the sound of those words.
Ancient liberties and assumptions of innocence mean nothing when it comes to "racism." You are guilty until proven innocent, which is really impossible, and even then you are forever suspect. An accusation of racism has much the same effect as an accusation of witchcraft did in 17th century Salem.
It is the power of the charge of "racism" that stifles the derision that would otherwise meet the idea that that we should "value diversity." If "diversity" had real benefits, whites would want more of it and would ask that even more cities in the U.S. and Europe be handed over to immigrants. Of course, they are not rushing to embrace diversity and multiculturalism; they are in headlong flight in the opposite direction. Valuing diversity is [a] hobby for people who do not have to endure its benefits.
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Multiculturalism and Marxism -- Part II
by Professor Frank Ellis
A multicultural society is one that is inherently prone to conflict, not harmony. This is why we see a large growth in government bureaucracies dedicated to resolving disputes along racial and cultural lines. These disputes can never be resolved permanently because the bureaucrats deny one of the major causes: race. This is why there is so much talk of the "multicultural" rather than the more precise "multiracial." Ever more changes and legislation are introduced to make the host society even more congenial to racial minorities. This only creates more demands, and encourages the non-shooting war against whites, their civilization, and even the ideas of the West.
How is such a radical program carried forward? The Soviet Union had a massive system of censorship -- the Communists even censored street maps -- and it is worth noting there were two kinds of censorship: the blatant censorship of state agencies and the more subtle self-censorship that the inhabitants of "people democracies" soon learned.
The situation in the West is not so straight forward. There is nothing remotely comparable to Soviet-style government censorship and yet we have deliberate suppression of dissent. Arthur Jensen, Hans Eysenck, J. Philippe Rushton, Chris Brand, Michael Levin, and Glayde Whitney have all been vilified for their racial views. The case of Professor Rushton is particularly troubling because his academic work was investigated by the police. The attempt to silence him was based on provisions of Canadian hate speech laws. This is just the sort of intellectual terror one expected in the Soviet Union. To find it in a country which prides itself on being a pillar of Western liberal democracy is one of the most disturbing consequences of multiculturalism.
A mode of opinion control softer than outright censorship is the current obsession with fictional role models. Today, the feminist and anti-racist theme is constantly worked into movies and television as examples of Bartold Brecht's principle that the Marxist artist must show the world not as it is but as it ought to be. This is why we have so many screen portrayals of wise black judges, street wise, straight-shooting lady policemen, minority computer geniuses; and, of course, degenerate white men. This is almost a direct borrowing from Soviet-style socialist realism, with its idealized depictions of sturdy proletarians routing capitalist vermin.
Multiculturalism has the same ambitions as Soviet Communism. It is absolute in its pursuit of its various agendas, yet it relativizes all other perspectives in its attack on its enemies. Multiculturalism is an ideology to end all other ideologies, and these totalitarian aspirations permit us to draw two conclusions:
First, Multiculturalism must eliminate all opposition everywhere. There can be no safe havens for counter-revolutionaries. Second, once it is established the multicultural paradise must be defended at all costs. Orthodoxy must be maintained with all the resources of the state.
Such a society would be well on its way to being totalitarian. It might not have concentration camps, but it would have re-education centers and sensitivity training for those sad creatures who still engaged in "white male hegemonic discourse." Rather than the bald totalitarianism of the Soviet state we would have a softer version in which our minds would be the wards of the state; we would be liberated from the burden of thought and therefore unable to fall into the heresy of political incorrectness.
If we think of multiculturalism as yet another manifestation of 20th century totalitarianism, can we take solace in the fact that the Soviet Union eventually collapsed? Is multiculturalism a phase, a periodic crisis through which the West is passing, or does it represent something fundamental and perhaps irreversible? Despite the efforts of pro-Soviet elements, the West recognized the Soviet empire as a threat. It does not recognize multiculturalism as a threat in the same way. For this reason, many of the assumptions and objectives remain unchallenged. Still, there are some grounds for optimism. For example, the speed with which the term "political correctness" caught on. It took the tenured radicals completely by surprise, but it is only a small gain.
In the long term, the most important battleground in the war against multiculturalism is the United States. The battle is likely to be a slow war of attrition. If it fails, the insanity of multiculturalism is something white Americans will have to live with. Of course, at some time whites may demand an end to being punished because of black failure. As Professor Michael Hart argues in The Real American Dilemma (published by New Century Foundation), there could be a racial partition of the United States. We might find that what happened in the Balkans is not peculiar to that part of the world. Race war is not something the affluent radicals deliberately seek but their policies are pushing us in that direction.
I have argued thus far that the immediate context for understanding political correctness and multiculturalism is the Soviet Union and its catastrophic utopian experiment. And yet the PC/multicultural mentality is much older. In Reflections on the Revolution in France, Edmund Burke offers a portrait of French radicals which is still relevant 200 years after he wrote it: "They have no respect for the wisdom of others, but they pass it off with a very full measure of confidence in their own. With them it is sufficient motive to destroy an old scheme of things because it is an old one. As to the new, they are in no sort of fear of the duration of a building run up in haste because duration is no object to those who think little or nothing has been done before their time, and who place all their hopes in discovery."
Of course, multiculturalism is far from being a solution to racial and cultural conflict. Quite the contrary, multiculturalism is the road to a special kind of hell that we have already seen in the last century, a hell that man, having abandoned and in revolt against God's order, builds for himself and others.
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No successful society shows a spontaneous tendency towards multiculturalism or multiracialism.
Does any society? And the US, being initially founded by immigrants from a wide variety of different countries and cultures, probably counts as a successful society... is that not multicultural?
"Political correctness" in Stalinist Russia was really more about "our politics are correct, and everyone else is wrong", rather than being open and accepting of other cultures.
Of course, according to this guy, simply because the two terms are similar, that means that political correctness or multiculturalism are some kind of totalitarianism.
The entire article is just a bunch of over the top reactionary language.
Sure there are people who oppose racism who don't listen to reason, but that's human nature. Any group with an opinion has plenty of people who will support that opinion, blindly ignoring any argument against it.
There are tons of people on the right who do this, as well as many racists.
The funny thing about this article is its hypocrisy. If they're so pissed off at people who can't argue logically, why would he say something like "Successful and enduring societies show a high degree of homogeneity.", and not even bother to pull out some statistics or something to justify that? I decided to go to the CIA world factbook and look up a few countries.
What I found seems to be the opposite of what this guy is saying... it seems that he just completely made that up to justify his opinions.
Some examples:
The United States is successful, and I'd say they're pretty diverse as far as countries go, same with Canada, the UK, etc...
Somalia - Ethnic groups: Somali 85%, Bantu and other non-Somali 15% (including Arabs 30,000)
United States - Ethnic groups: white 77.1%, black 12.9%, Asian 4.2%, Amerindian and Alaska native 1.5%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.3%, other 4% (2000)
Cambodia - Ethnic groups: Khmer 90%, Vietnamese 5%, Chinese 1%, other 4%
Canada - Ethnic groups: British Isles origin 28%, French origin 23%, other European 15%, Amerindian 2%, other, mostly Asian, African, Arab 6%, mixed background 26%
United Kingdom - Ethnic groups: English 81.5%, Scottish 9.6%, Irish 2.4%, Welsh 1.9%, Ulster 1.8%, West Indian, Indian, Pakistani, and other 2.8%
North Korea - Ethnic groups: racially homogeneous; there is a small Chinese community and a few ethnic Japanese
Perhaps it's about time to start voicing your own opinions, Lonestar, just copying and pasting the opinions of others isn't really helping, especially when they're the opinions of people who are in the habit of just making things up when they want facts to justify what they're saying.
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i know phulck its some professors editorial/opinion, but i found it interesting.
you support multiculturalism. i do not.
multiculturalism sucks and its evil. IMO
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Phluck]
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what about quotes?
"For the purposes of everyday life it was no doubt necessary, or sometimes necessary, to reflect before speaking, but a Party member called upon to make a political or ethical judgment should be able to spray forth the correct opinions as automatically as a machine gun spraying out bullets." ? George Orwell, 1984
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Phluck]
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and this guys name is
Frank Ellis, Ph.D., is a Lecturer in Russian at the University of Leeds, England, and the author of Vasily Grossman: The Genesis and Evolution of a Russian Heretic (Berg, 1994), From Glasnost to the Internet: Russia's New Infosphere (St. Martin's Press, 1999), and The Macpherson Report: 'Anti-racist' Hysteria and Sovietization of the United Kingdom (Right Now Press Ltd., 2001). He has published articles on topics that range from Soviet war literature to political correctness. Prior to taking up an academic career he was a professional soldier and served in the Parachute Regiment of the Special Air Service.
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Why is it evil?
I've heard the claim that it leads to violence and unrest, but I've yet to see any evidence that this is the case. If this were true at all, wouldn't an extremely multicultural place like Toronto be a violent hellhole? Not that Toronto is perfect, crime and violence do exist there, like any big city, but it's a pretty peaceful place to live, and the different cultures only serve to make it more interesting.
I don't see how cultural diversity is evil... that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. What is evil about various cultures existing together?
The government actions that support multiculturalism are things like funding or promoting cultural music and arts festivals. Are multicultural music festivals evil?
Are ethnic restaurants evil?
And if multiculturalism causes so many problems, why are the most stable and economically sucessful countries so diverse?
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Phluck]
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First I enjoy other cultures.
but multiculturalism is EVIL.
we use to be the Melting Pot of the world but now EVIL multiculturalism has come along and fucked it up.
i do not want to allow evil culture in the world to be accepted in this country. countries that violate individual rights.
Until the past few decades, minority groups were typically expected to assimilate into majority cultures. not anymore
for example here in Texas some families do not think it is important to learn English and will not allow the children to speak English in the home. then when the kid grows up and is unable to read English he/she is FUCKED. that evil shit should not be allowed. but now we are a bunch of pussies and do not want to offend any ones culture so we let it happen. EVIL
I do not want other peoples negative cultures allowed in my country
for example: polygamy sucks for women but is allowed in a lot of other countries. fuck that shit leave it behind.
i remember in some Latin America countries they required that the rape victim marry the rapist. fuck that shit!!!
and fuck evil cultures
I remember watching Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien (pussy)- speaking at a Mosque full of only men and boys. No women - because women are considered unclean by "pure" Islam and must stay out of men's sight, both in public by covering themselves from head to toe, and at home where they are not even allowed to eat with the men. Of course they are allowed to cook the food and clean up the toilets after wards.
another sorry ass cultural practice in Africa is when they remove a 13 year olds clit so she does not enjoy sex. i read somewhere that its happening in Europe. well fuck that it ain't gonna happen here in the USA. that's some evil shit.
now if you want to be cultural sensitive and cut up a women's vagina so she does not enjoy sex that's your problem. keep that evil shit away from America.
when multiculturalism trumps individual rights??? fuck that evil shit.
Tolerance is about as evil an idea as there is.
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People are not required to be bound to their culture in a free society. People can leave their culture and assimilate whenever they want to, especially in America, where they won't stoned to death for doing so. If they stay within their culture, it's because they choose to do so.
Btw, what's wrong with polygamy? Your perception of what is "evil" seems to be heavily rooted in ignorance and ethnocentrism.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Ravus]
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I think multiculturalism is good, but the immigrants should be forced to learn the language and customs of the country they are entering. They can preserve their culture, even with those stipulations.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Ravus]
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I always find it interesting to ponder whether SCOTUS was correct to enact forced integration. From my perspective of decades later I believe that this was a major cause of a paradigm shift in racial relations in the U.S., much more than the civil rights movement (though due to my age I have a limit to my perspective). So from a consequentialist viewpoint, I think SCOTUS was right, but were they from a non-consequentialist perspective? Possibly not. It is examples like these why I reject embracing libertarian philosophy as a whole. In most cases, following the guiding principle of non-interference works out for the best in the long run, but there are cases like this where a bit of inteference can make a world of difference.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Silversoul]
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Paradigm said:
"what's wrong with polygamy? Your perception of what is "evil" seems to be heavily rooted in ignorance and ethnocentrism."
lets look at polygamy (Islam)
Though Muslim men are allowed to marry more than one wife, their women are forbidden to keep more than one husband. If the woman loses her husband, she is subjected to all sorts of deprivations and humiliation akin to the widow's plight in the traditional African setting. She is entitled to only a quarter of the legacy, and if the deceased has more than one wife, the wives are obliged to share a quarter or one-eighth of the legacy.
Traditional practice in many parts of Africa for girls as young as seven to be married to men old enough to be their fathers, and in some cases, grandfathers. Parents determine who marries their daughters before they are old enough to decide for themselves. Moreover, with the payment of the dowry, a girl is bought and automatically becomes the property of the man, who uses, mistreats, and dumps her when he deems fit. http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/aah/igwe_9_4.htm
Now in Texas if you marry or have sex with a 7 year old girl you go to jail.
When Muslims gain political power and thanks to evil multiculturalism that will change.
Get a good lawyer and a jury of your peers and we will have the OJ SIMPSON MULTICULTURAL CIRCUS again.
The Supreme Court will uphold it when Ginsberg and Souter find laws in tribal Africa which allow sex with kids.
I repeat when multiculturalism is more important than individual rights it is wrong and evil.
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A muslim woman in America has the option to leave her culture and assimilate. To demand that the culture itself assimilate is an inherent contradiction. And as for Africans marrying 7-year-olds, don't confuse marrying and having sex. As any jaded old couple can tell you, the two are not the same. There are many cultures where people are married long before they are expected to have sex. And as for arranged marriages, most studies done on the subject have found little difference in long-term happiness between arranged marriages and love marriages. They both have about an equal success rate.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Silversoul]
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So Paradigm you have no problem with a little girl not having any choice in marraige?
fuck individual rights?
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I have no problem with her parents arranging a marriage for her, so long as she may opt out of it, as she can in America. Don't get me wrong here--I'm not saying that we should change our laws to accommodate every single culture. There are certain rights we should uphold regardless of culture, but to say that because of this we should demand that they assimilate is bullshit. They can adapt their culture to comply with our laws, as so many have done already.
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Nobody ever said any such thing. Nobody is proposing that multiculturalism be at the expense of individual rights. Such values will not be changed in our society by promoting various cultural events, and nobody is proposing that we allow women to become slaves of men, quite the opposite.
Attacking multiculturalism by finding the worst possible practices in other cultures and claiming that multiculturalism somehow promotes them is not a valid argument, it's a complete straw man.
It's not like western society doesn't have a history of treating women poorly, it used to be normal for men to get married in their 40's, to girls of their choosing, 11, 12 year olds and the like.
Claiming that the supreme court would allow 7 year olds to be married off if they found some small tribe that practiced this is just stupid as well. The supreme court has never done any such thing, claiming that they would is just some bullshit that you completely made up. I might as well claim that people opposed to multiculturalism will eventually gain so much power that they'll eventually start killing off people of other cultures just because they don't like them. Of course it's not going to happen, it's just the most extreme thing that I can imagine happening, and is of no relation to reality, just like your bullshit fantasy story about how we'll eventually be able to marry 7 year olds.
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brain aneurysm bubbley bubbley
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: mr-x]
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We seem to have become infested with a rash of trolls. I wonder where these came from.
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The number of "newbies" posting in this forum as of late is a curiosity.
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I've seen a few in the other forums too. Not to worry.
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Let's see TGRR returns from whatever fetid swamp he had been infesting and we get, along with his particularly pungent stylings, a whole smelly pile of fresh derangement. Ancient threads resurrected and just general nonsense. Like a month old litter box.
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I like having him here. Makes a great counterpoint to your musings.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Icelander]
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I rather enjoy having different cultures around. My favorite ethnic event is Cinco de Mayo. The music and food are usually pretty incredible. The costumes and dancing are completely entertaining.
Juneteenth is another celebration I enjoy. For many of the same reasons. Many Amerindian cultures are very interesting as well.
I don't see where accepting other cultures into our society is threatening at all. I grew up in the deep south in the 50's and 60's, and I can tell you all from first hand experience that the civil rights act was critical to this country moving forward.
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I can't help but find screeds against multiculturalism as a kind of code for unspoken (spineless) racism.
It works on the same overgeneralized, hysterical level. Cultural clashes get magnified into caricatures and all positive qualities that immigrants bring to the table are necessarily ignored. There is no willingness to look at inconvenient facts——the anti-multicultural point of view is an unexamined value judgment rooted in fear and guarded with ignorance.
Where does devaluing a person based on a few physical characteristics leave off and devaluing a person based on a few details of their cultural background start?
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Net]
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It's not the physical characteristics at issue.
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So what is it about?
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Net]
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TheThinker said: So what is it about?
It's about people winding up feeling segregated, as in France.
It's about the lack of tolerance each culture has for the other.
It's about having to print ballots in over a dozen languages, as in NYC and other larger cities.
It's about having to satisfy each and every person from each and every place, so no-one feels left out.
It's about having to provide translators for people who, despite having lived in another country for years, haven't bothered to learn the dominant language.
When a "multicultural" country, such as France, starts saying it's not working it's time to realize that while maintaining and celebrating your individual culture is all well and good, it's not the be all to end all.
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Net said: I can't help but find screeds against multiculturalism as a kind of code for unspoken (spineless) racism.
What an unbelievably stupid statement.
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TheThinker said: So what is it about?
Culture, which is a choice.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
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TheThinker said: So what is it about?
Culture, which is a choice.
When did you choose your culture?
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Net]
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Net said: I can't help but find screeds against multiculturalism as a kind of code for unspoken (spineless) racism.
I cant help but find that cries of racism are a witch hunt that happen when you have no other way to support your argument. That is a bold accusation you are making, and you have no evidence at all. 
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DieCommie said:
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TheThinker said: So what is it about?
Culture, which is a choice.
When did you choose your culture?
I choose it every day, and throughout the day.
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TheThinker said: So what is it about?
It's about people winding up feeling segregated, as in France.
It's about the lack of tolerance each culture has for the other.
It's about having to print ballots in over a dozen languages, as in NYC and other larger cities.
It's about having to satisfy each and every person from each and every place, so no-one feels left out.
It's about having to provide translators for people who, despite having lived in another country for years, haven't bothered to learn the dominant language.
When a "multicultural" country, such as France, starts saying it's not working it's time to realize that while maintaining and celebrating your individual culture is all well and good, it's not the be all to end all.
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Net said: I can't help but find screeds against multiculturalism as a kind of code for unspoken (spineless) racism.
What an unbelievably stupid statement.
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TheThinker said: So what is it about?
It's about people winding up feeling segregated, as in France.
It's about the lack of tolerance each culture has for the other.
It's about having to print ballots in over a dozen languages, as in NYC and other larger cities.
It's about having to satisfy each and every person from each and every place, so no-one feels left out.
It's about having to provide translators for people who, despite having lived in another country for years, haven't bothered to learn the dominant language.
When a "multicultural" country, such as France, starts saying it's not working it's time to realize that while maintaining and celebrating your individual culture is all well and good, it's not the be all to end all.
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Net said: I can't help but find screeds against multiculturalism as a kind of code for unspoken (spineless) racism.
What an unbelievably stupid statement.
How so?
I happen to agree with that.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: DieCommie]
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DieCommie said:
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TheThinker said: So what is it about?
Culture, which is a choice.
When did you choose your culture?
I choose it every day, and throughout the day.
Is it hard deciding to speak English on a daily basis?
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Nope, thats an easy choice. I choose to speak spanish at the restaurant I frequent, that is a little harder but also pretty easy.
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zappaisgod said: It's not the physical characteristics at issue.
What's at issue is starting with overgeneralized assumptions of superiority and then contorting one's view of the world to make it fit, rather than examining the merits of specific qualities of the individual as they actually occur.
The phobic process is the same, regardless of whether it utilizes physical details or cultural details.
So, you're right, whether focused on the physical or the cultural, it is immaterial what is being used as a vehicle for bigotry when the consequences of that fear are indistinguishable from one another.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: DieCommie]
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And language is part of culture. My point is that culture, while more mutable than race, is far too complex to reduce to being a "choice." Culture is something you are born into, and you can't just change it overnight.
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Is it hard deciding to speak English on a daily basis?
How many languages do you speak?
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One. It's the one my culture speaks.
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Silversoul said: And language is part of culture. My point is that culture, while more mutable than race, is far too complex to reduce to being a "choice." Culture is something you are born into, and you can't just change it overnight.
And yet some think that everyone who comes here should immediately adapt to our culture.
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Nevertheless, I reserve the right to judge someone based off of their culture and way of life. There is nothing inherently wrong with that. If they are born into a shitty culture, they cant help that. But if they propagate that culture along, that is their choice and that is their fault. Tradition is not a valid reason or excuse.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Net]
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zappaisgod said: It's not the physical characteristics at issue.
What's at issue is starting with overgeneralized assumptions of superiority and then contorting one's view of the world to make it fit, rather than examining the merits of specific qualities of the individual as they actually occur.
The phobic process is the same, regardless of whether it utilizes physical details or cultural details.
So, you're right, whether focused on the physical or the cultural, it is immaterial what is being used as a vehicle for bigotry when the consequences of that fear are indistinguishable from one another.
My rejection of sharia law is not based on bigotry but on knowledge. Take that stupid shit elsewhere. Leave the kafta.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Friskies]
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Friskies said: I happen to agree with that.
What a surprise.
DieCommie said it well: "I cant help but find that cries of racism are a witch hunt that happen when you have no other way to support your argument. That is a bold accusation you are making, and you have no evidence at all."
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No it is not hard to choose to speak English everyday. English is the only language I know. The ONLY one I will EVER know as long as I live in the USA. I do not see the need to speak a different language when OUR COUNTRY'S lang is English.
You wanna talk to me, do it in English. I can not be bothered by someone that comes over here, gets taken in, and can not speak English.
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Net said:
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zappaisgod said: It's not the physical characteristics at issue.
What's at issue is starting with overgeneralized assumptions of superiority and then contorting one's view of the world to make it fit, rather than examining the merits of specific qualities of the individual as they actually occur.
The phobic process is the same, regardless of whether it utilizes physical details or cultural details.
So, you're right, whether focused on the physical or the cultural, it is immaterial what is being used as a vehicle for bigotry when the consequences of that fear are indistinguishable from one another.
My rejection of sharia law is not based on bigotry but on knowledge. Take that stupid shit elsewhere. Leave the kafta.
Knowledge of what? Have you ever practiced it? Known it first hand? If not stfu, you know NOTHING
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One. It's the one my culture speaks.
No. It merely happens to be the one that the majority of the people in your country speaks.
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zappaisgod said: It's not the physical characteristics at issue.
What's at issue is starting with overgeneralized assumptions of superiority and then contorting one's view of the world to make it fit, rather than examining the merits of specific qualities of the individual as they actually occur.
The phobic process is the same, regardless of whether it utilizes physical details or cultural details.
So, you're right, whether focused on the physical or the cultural, it is immaterial what is being used as a vehicle for bigotry when the consequences of that fear are indistinguishable from one another.
My rejection of sharia law is not based on bigotry but on knowledge. Take that stupid shit elsewhere. Leave the kafta.
Nice. Oddly you have the right to not embrace it. Others exercise the right to embrace it. See how that works? I happen to agree with Net.
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In certain respects I would agree. We obviously can't allow for honor killings or female genital mutilation here, but I think any reasonable person should be able to discern between cultural traditions which are in conflict with liberal democracy and those which simply seem foreign to us. I say let cultures keep their traditions, except for those which harm individual rights.
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What's at issue is starting with overgeneralized assumptions of superiority and then contorting one's view of the world to make it fit, rather than examining the merits of specific qualities of the individual as they actually occur.
The phobic process is the same, regardless of whether it utilizes physical details or cultural details.
So, you're right, whether focused on the physical or the cultural, it is immaterial what is being used as a vehicle for bigotry when the consequences of that fear are indistinguishable from one another.
My rejection of sharia law is not based on bigotry but on knowledge. Take that stupid shit elsewhere. Leave the kafta.
Knowledge of what? Have you ever practiced it? Known it first hand? If not stfu, you know NOTHING
No. No. No. I won't. I have no intention of even allowing it and will take arms against it. I have a daughter and I will shoot anybody in the face who tries to impose it here. If you want Sharia law get the fuck out of the US. It is completely and utterly antithetical to everything the US Constitution stands for. It is also a vile and pernicious pestilence on all of humanity but all of humanity is not my problem.
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Nice. Oddly you have the right to not embrace it. Others exercise the right to embrace it. See how that works? I happen to agree with Net.
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I can't recall meeting anyone that suggested people not be "allowed" to keep their traditions. It seems to me that they simply don't think they should have to adapt themselves to the cultures of those that move to a country that already has a culture they enjoy.
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Of course. The dangers of multiculturalism arn't about superficial differences like food or music, they are about real differences that impact people's wealth, freedom and way of life.
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No. No. No. I won't. I have no intention of even allowing it and will take arms against it. I have a daughter and I will shoot anybody in the face who tries to impose it here. If you want Sharia law get the fuck out of the US. It is completely and utterly antithetical to everything the US Constitution stands for. It is also a vile and pernicious pestilence on all of humanity but all of humanity is not my problem.
Wtf... lmfao
Try explaining that from a non-ranging-shroomer point of veiw please plz. AKA. Make your statement without you all overpowering emotion, Or not, you can still STFU
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What's at issue is starting with overgeneralized assumptions of superiority and then contorting one's view of the world to make it fit, rather than examining the merits of specific qualities of the individual as they actually occur.
The phobic process is the same, regardless of whether it utilizes physical details or cultural details.
So, you're right, whether focused on the physical or the cultural, it is immaterial what is being used as a vehicle for bigotry when the consequences of that fear are indistinguishable from one another.
My rejection of sharia law is not based on bigotry but on knowledge. Take that stupid shit elsewhere. Leave the kafta.
Since you're not making a distinction between Hanbali, Hanifi, Maliki or Shafi'i, you certainly sound ignorant and bigoted.
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No. No. No. I won't. I have no intention of even allowing it and will take arms against it. I have a daughter and I will shoot anybody in the face who tries to impose it here. If you want Sharia law get the fuck out of the US. It is completely and utterly antithetical to everything the US Constitution stands for. It is also a vile and pernicious pestilence on all of humanity but all of humanity is not my problem.
Wtf... lmfao
Try explaining that from a non-ranging-shroomer point of veiw please plz. AKA. Make your statement without you all overpowering emotion, Or not, you can still STFU
I reread it and find that it was perfectly clear. But for you, just this one time because you're special, I'll add more. Sharia law is antithetical to freedom, self expression, personal rights, the Constitution of the US, and me. The day this country allows criminal prosecution for saying "Mohammed is a pedophile dog fucker" and forbids women from attending school or exposing their navels will be when I start shooting.
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Instead of making accusations of ignorance, why dont you instead enlighten us and tell us the relevant distinction between them and why I should accept any system of laws that are based off of a holy book?
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Of course. The dangers of multiculturalism arn't about superficial differences like food or music, they are about real differences that impact people's wealth, freedom and way of life.
Well, there are also some grey areas. Earlier in the thread, arranged marriages were brought up. Now, such arranged marriages would clearly violate individual rights if they were physically coerced by the family(i.e. a "shotgun wedding"). But in cultures that practice arranged marriage, the bride and groom generally have some sort of veto power in the affair, so I'd say that distinctions should be made between arranged marriages and forced marriages.
Sharia has also been brought up, but that's even more complicated, because while many Westerners, upon hearing the word "sharia," are likely to think of people's hands getting cut off, most aspects of Sharia simply have to do with things like inheritance rights, hygiene, diet, prayer, fasting, etc. So a lot of this anti-Sharia stuff is like telling Jews they can't follows the laws of Moses.
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No. No. No. I won't. I have no intention of even allowing it and will take arms against it. I have a daughter and I will shoot anybody in the face who tries to impose it here. If you want Sharia law get the fuck out of the US. It is completely and utterly antithetical to everything the US Constitution stands for. It is also a vile and pernicious pestilence on all of humanity but all of humanity is not my problem.
Wtf... lmfao
Try explaining that from a non-ranging-shroomer point of veiw please plz. AKA. Make your statement without you all overpowering emotion, Or not, you can still STFU
I reread it and find that it was perfectly clear. But for you, just this one time because you're special, I'll add more. Sharia law is antithetical to freedom, self expression, personal rights, the Constitution of the US, and me. The day this country allows criminal prosecution for saying "Mohammed is a pedophile dog fucker" and forbids women from attending school or exposing their navels will be when I start shooting.
It was obvious to me that you were on a tangent, rage induced, emotional spurt. (shoom rage anyone)
SO... You would kill someone over their beliefs? No one would be forcing this down your golden throat FFS. No one would be forcing you to practice anything. Get a grip, preferably a nice tight one.
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Sharia has also been brought up, but that's even more complicated, because while many Westerners, upon hearing the word "sharia," are likely to think of people's hands getting cut off, most aspects of Sharia simply have to do with things like inheritance rights, hygiene, diet, prayer, fasting, etc. So a lot of this anti-Sharia stuff is like telling Jews they can't follows the laws of Moses.
That's like saying most laws in the US relate to torts and civil actions (which is true). And nobody is telling sharia jerkjoffs they can't keep hallal. But we are telling sharia jerkoffs that they can't chop the fucking heads off their daughters. Ever. For any reason.
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Nice. Oddly you have the right to not embrace it. Others exercise the right to embrace it. See how that works? I happen to agree with Net.
Do they? What happens to apostates?
In the U.S., which I believe we are discussing, nothing. If apostates are harmed or killed then the law of the land takes over. Remember the law of the land? In other countries their law of the land presides. If it is secular law the so be it.
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Nice. Oddly you have the right to not embrace it. Others exercise the right to embrace it. See how that works? I happen to agree with Net.
Do they? What happens to apostates?
In the U.S., which I believe we are discussing, nothing. If apostates are harmed or killed then the law of the land takes over. Remember the law of the land? In other countries their law of the land presides. If it is secular law the so be it.
What we are discussing is not the current state of US law but a potential future state of US law should Sharia be imposed. Nonetheless, my question remains, if you voluntarily subscribe to Sharia law but change your mind what happens? You get your fucking head chopped off.
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No, their actions on their beliefs. I do not believe in thought crimes, Allah piss be upon him.
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Anyone who is "concerned" about Sharia law in the U.S. is a complete chickenshit islamophobist coward.
Muslims have just as much right to pass stupid laws in this country as christians, if they have the votes to pass it.
I can't buy beer on Sunday in this town. Boo fucking hoo.
Anybody who is genuinely concerned that honor killings will be legalized in the U.S. is a fucking moron.
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Nice. Oddly you have the right to not embrace it. Others exercise the right to embrace it. See how that works? I happen to agree with Net.
Do they? What happens to apostates?
In the U.S., which I believe we are discussing, nothing. If apostates are harmed or killed then the law of the land takes over. Remember the law of the land? In other countries their law of the land presides. If it is secular law the so be it.
What we are discussing is not the current state of US law but a potential future state of US law should Sharia be imposed. Nonetheless, my question remains, if you voluntarily subscribe to Sharia law but change your mind what happens? You get your fucking head chopped off.
Odd, I thought we were discussing multiculturalism. I have already answered your question. While we are playing the "what-if" game, you better brush up on your Chinese, they "may" decide to repossess the U.S.
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Muslims have just as much right to pass stupid laws in this country as christians, if they have the votes to pass it.
I can't buy beer on Sunday in this town. Boo fucking hoo.
Anybody who is genuinely concerned that honor killings will be legalized in the U.S. is a fucking moron.
Correct, and no law should be passed that violates the constitution. Yes, some laws have been passed, found unconstitutional and been overturned. But in no scenario would honor killings be acceptable as law.
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China holds about $1.2 trillion in U.S. government debt, according to the Treasury Department's latest figures. That's about 30 percent higher than the previous estimate. And it's not just China. Japan holds nearly $900 billion in U.S. government debt. In all, U.S. debt held abroad totals some $4.4 trillion. http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/03/01/134159785/the-u-s-owes-china-1-2-trillion
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Exactly, it will never fucking happen so these morons need to fucking suck it up and stop bawling about retarded shit.
Two state senators in my state are trying to pass an anti-Sharia law bill, and it's just fucking embarrassing.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110223/NEWS0201/102230378/Tennessee-bill-would-jail-Shariah-followers-?odyssey=tab
Summary: It's already illegal to plot to overthrow the government with violence. This bill would make it illegal to plot to overthrow the government with violence while wearing a towel on your head.
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Do they? What happens to apostates?
In the U.S., which I believe we are discussing, nothing. If apostates are harmed or killed then the law of the land takes over. Remember the law of the land? In other countries their law of the land presides. If it is secular law the so be it.
Then I guess they don't have the right to embrace it, do they? Apostates have been murdered in the US and the murderers have been prosecuted. But the apostates are as dead as Generalissimo Francisco Franco. What about their rights?
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What we are discussing is not the current state of US law but a potential future state of US law should Sharia be imposed. Nonetheless, my question remains, if you voluntarily subscribe to Sharia law but change your mind what happens? You get your fucking head chopped off.
Odd, I thought we were discussing multiculturalism.
I already said I liked kafta. Unfortunately multiculturalism seems to mean something other than that.Quote:
I have already answered your question. While we are playing the "what-if" game, you better brush up on your Chinese, they "may" decide to repossess the U.S.
That's funny. Just how do you suppose they can go about doing that?
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Two state senators in my state are trying to pass an anti-Sharia law bill, and it's just fucking embarrassing.
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110223/NEWS0201/102230378/Tennessee-bill-would-jail-Shariah-followers-?odyssey=tab
Summary: It's already illegal to plot to overthrow the government with violence. This bill would make it illegal to plot to overthrow the government with violence while wearing a towel on your head.

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In the U.S., which I believe we are discussing, nothing. If apostates are harmed or killed then the law of the land takes over. Remember the law of the land? In other countries their law of the land presides. If it is secular law the so be it.
Then I guess they don't have the right to embrace it, do they? Apostates have been murdered in the US and the murderers have been prosecuted. But the apostates are as dead as Generalissimo Francisco Franco. What about their rights?
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Odd, I thought we were discussing multiculturalism.
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I have already answered your question. While we are playing the "what-if" game, you better brush up on your Chinese, they "may" decide to repossess the U.S.
That's funny. Just how do you suppose they can go about doing that?
By using the same madghiqal formula you are using to invoke the Sharia Law theory. Isn't this fun?
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Muslims have just as much right to pass stupid laws in this country as christians, if they have the votes to pass it.
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I can't buy beer on Sunday in this town. Boo fucking hoo.
What a hardship that must be for you. Under Sharia you can't buy any beer at all. Somehow I don't feel very welcoming to that kind of culture. Do you?Quote:
Anybody who is genuinely concerned that honor killings will be legalized in the U.S. is a fucking moron.
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Do they? What happens to apostates?
In the U.S., which I believe we are discussing, nothing. If apostates are harmed or killed then the law of the land takes over. Remember the law of the land? In other countries their law of the land presides. If it is secular law the so be it.
What we are discussing is not the current state of US law but a potential future state of US law should Sharia be imposed. Nonetheless, my question remains, if you voluntarily subscribe to Sharia law but change your mind what happens? You get your fucking head chopped off.
Um, it seems to me that as far as multiculturalism is concerned, allowing Sharia law would only carry over to the extent of allowing people to live according to those laws. Not actually enforcing them.
And just so it's clear, by "live according to those laws" I don't mean that it would be legal for them to carry out the punishments that would normally be illegal under our system. I'm talking about people living under Sharia law choosing to live by those laws of their own free will, without the system of punishments in place. So there wouldn't be honor killings, for example. Not without the perpetrators being arrested and charged as murderers, anyway. There would be families choosing to live according to their system of honor, as closely as they could without violating American law. Does that sound fair enough? Because that's all that multiculturalism means. It has nothing to do with imposing and enforcing foreign laws.
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How is China going to repossess the US? Answer, they can't. We control the currency. In a blink we can just about totally eliminate the debt. Much the same way they manipulate their own currency.
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How is Sharia Law going to become the law of the U.S. Answer, it can't. We control the country via the constitution. Still on the same page here.
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And just so it's clear, by "live according to those laws" I don't mean that it would be legal for them to carry out the punishments that would normally be illegal under our system.
But that is the crux of the biscuit. Without enforcement there is no law. Just rules. I know that. But that is not what seems to be the goal of those seeking a caliphate in the US.
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How is Sharia Law going to become the law of the U.S. Answer, it can't. We control the country via the constitution. Still on the same page here.
I know. But that has nothing to do with me arguing that they are a heinous bunch of scum who want to impose sharia. THEY are not multiculti.
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And just so it's clear, by "live according to those laws" I don't mean that it would be legal for them to carry out the punishments that would normally be illegal under our system.
But that is the crux of the biscuit. Without enforcement there is no law. Just rules. I know that. But that is not what seems to be the goal of those seeking a caliphate in the US.
In the short time I have been here you have used the word Negro and faggot. Now you are accusing Muslims of wanting to overthrow the U.S. and impose Sharia Law. I think Net hit it right on the head earlier.
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And just so it's clear, by "live according to those laws" I don't mean that it would be legal for them to carry out the punishments that would normally be illegal under our system.
But that is the crux of the biscuit. Without enforcement there is no law. Just rules. I know that. But that is not what seems to be the goal of those seeking a caliphate in the US.
In the short time I have been here you have used the word Negro and faggot. Now you are accusing Muslims of wanting to overthrow the U.S. and impose Sharia Law. I think Net hit it right on the head earlier.
1. There is not one single thing insulting about referring to Negroes as Negroes. Ever heard of the United Negro College Fund? So that is one giant rousing fuck you' 2. Faggot as I use it has no application to homosexuality. But if you want to be offended, go ahead. 3. If you are not aware that there are hundreds of millions of Muslims desirous of establishing a world caliphate you are one ignorant ostrich.
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Silly person. Because it would create a global financial crisis like has never been seen. U.S. assets worldwide would be frozen immediately. The dollar would de-valuate to a worthless piece of paper.
Gas and food prices would jump to incredible never attained levels. U.S. exports would be taxed to senseless levels. Imports would all but stop because we would officially be declared bankrupt.
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And just so it's clear, by "live according to those laws" I don't mean that it would be legal for them to carry out the punishments that would normally be illegal under our system.
But that is the crux of the biscuit. Without enforcement there is no law. Just rules. I know that. But that is not what seems to be the goal of those seeking a caliphate in the US.
All that I'm seeing here is xenophobic fear mongering. Convince me.
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No need. I heard this same stupid shit 30 years ago about the Japanese. How'd that work out?
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And just so it's clear, by "live according to those laws" I don't mean that it would be legal for them to carry out the punishments that would normally be illegal under our system.
But that is the crux of the biscuit. Without enforcement there is no law. Just rules. I know that. But that is not what seems to be the goal of those seeking a caliphate in the US.
In the short time I have been here you have used the word Negro and faggot. Now you are accusing Muslims of wanting to overthrow the U.S. and impose Sharia Law. I think Net hit it right on the head earlier.
1. There is not one single thing insulting about referring to Negroes as Negroes. Ever heard of the United Negro College Fund? So that is one giant rousing fuck you' 2. Faggot as I use it has no application to homosexuality. But if you want to be offended, go ahead. 3. If you are not aware that there are hundreds of millions of Muslims desirous of establishing a world caliphate you are one ignorant ostrich.
Why don't you come here and call black people Negroes. In the context that you used faggot it certainly had the appearance of being homophobic. There are extremists in every religion, that does not make them a majority.
I don't know if you are a bigot or not, it just right now is coming across that way.
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And just so it's clear, by "live according to those laws" I don't mean that it would be legal for them to carry out the punishments that would normally be illegal under our system.
But that is the crux of the biscuit. Without enforcement there is no law. Just rules. I know that. But that is not what seems to be the goal of those seeking a caliphate in the US.
All that I'm seeing here is xenophobic fear mongering. Convince me.
Is this serious? Are you not aware of that?
Fear mongering? Hardly. I'm getting sick of that stupid fucking meme, too. Every goddam warning about something that might happen is now being labeled by those opposed as some kind of "monger". It is idiotic.
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And just so it's clear, by "live according to those laws" I don't mean that it would be legal for them to carry out the punishments that would normally be illegal under our system.
But that is the crux of the biscuit. Without enforcement there is no law. Just rules. I know that. But that is not what seems to be the goal of those seeking a caliphate in the US.
All that I'm seeing here is xenophobic fear mongering. Convince me.
Is this serious? Are you not aware of that?
Fear mongering? Hardly. I'm getting sick of that stupid fucking meme, too. Every goddam warning about something that might happen is now being labeled by those opposed as some kind of "monger". It is idiotic.
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And just so it's clear, by "live according to those laws" I don't mean that it would be legal for them to carry out the punishments that would normally be illegal under our system.
But that is the crux of the biscuit. Without enforcement there is no law. Just rules. I know that. But that is not what seems to be the goal of those seeking a caliphate in the US.
All that I'm seeing here is xenophobic fear mongering. Convince me.
Is this serious? Are you not aware of that?
Fear mongering? Hardly. I'm getting sick of that stupid fucking meme, too. Every goddam warning about something that might happen is now being labeled by those opposed as some kind of "monger". It is idiotic.
I calls it as I sees it. Now convince me, if you can.
To clarify: I have heard what Glenn Beck has to say about this "caliphate" theory of yours. I do not, however, believe Beck to be a reliable source. A chalkboard and crew cut hardly grant authoritative knowledge of Muslim culture.
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Convince you of what? That hundreds of millions of Muslims want to impose a world wide caliphate?
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Yes, I think I was clear on that. Now have at it. Or keep evading the challenge. Either one's fine with me.
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And just so it's clear, by "live according to those laws" I don't mean that it would be legal for them to carry out the punishments that would normally be illegal under our system.
But that is the crux of the biscuit. Without enforcement there is no law. Just rules. I know that. But that is not what seems to be the goal of those seeking a caliphate in the US.
All that I'm seeing here is xenophobic fear mongering. Convince me.
Is this serious? Are you not aware of that?
Fear mongering? Hardly. I'm getting sick of that stupid fucking meme, too. Every goddam warning about something that might happen is now being labeled by those opposed as some kind of "monger". It is idiotic.
Warning: mulleted monkeys might spurt out of my ass riding on flying pigs, armed with vapid talking points that they can't even begin to defend with facts or reason.
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Sharia has also been brought up, but that's even more complicated, because while many Westerners, upon hearing the word "sharia," are likely to think of people's hands getting cut off, most aspects of Sharia simply have to do with things like inheritance rights, hygiene, diet, prayer, fasting, etc. So a lot of this anti-Sharia stuff is like telling Jews they can't follows the laws of Moses.
That's like saying most laws in the US relate to torts and civil actions (which is true). And nobody is telling sharia jerkjoffs they can't keep hallal. But we are telling sharia jerkoffs that they can't chop the fucking heads off their daughters. Ever. For any reason.
And Mohammed can suck my cock, the pedophile piece of shit.
Does that froth around your mouth taste as ignorant as it looks?
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Yes, I think I was clear on that. Now have at it. Or keep evading the challenge. Either one's fine with me.
Here's one guy http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/03/radical-muslim-cleric-anjem-choudary-backs-out-of-pro-sharia-d-c-rally-video/
http://sites.google.com/site/islamicscripturesunveiled/
http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/the-khilafah/issues/73-establishing-the-khilafah-is-not-a-dream
http://www.evenatthedoors.com/blog/tag/walid-shoebat/
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Mr. Shoebat wrote three years ago of a revived Caliphate (i.e. an Islamic religious and political entity comprised of Muslim countries worldwide under the authority of a Caliph) ruled by the Antichrist :
“Biblically, the Empire of the Antichrist will not be a new empire; rather it will be the revival of a previously great empire that will have suffered what the Bible calls a ‘fatal head wound’. (Revelation 13:3) But the wound will be healed and the empire will be revived from the dead as it were: ‘And the beast [Antichrist Empire] which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain and his fatal wound healed. And the whole world was amazed and followed after the beast.” (Revelation 13:2-3)
“Today the Caliphate exists only in the desires of hundreds of millions of Muslims worldwide who want to revive this beast that was slain March 3, 1924. The last Caliphate–the Ottoman Caliphate–was officially abolished by the first President of the Turkish Republic, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. The abolition of the Caliphate is profoundly significant for our study. For it was on this day that the Islamic Empire, led by a sitting Caliph for over fourteen hundred years suffered a fatal head wound. The position of “head of state” of the Islamic Empire was severed.” ["God's War on Terror: Islam, Prophecy and the Bible, by Walid Shoebat, p. 81; Top Executive Media, 2008]
Mr. Shoebat believes that the Islamic Empire will rise again and be governed under Shari’a Law in the form of a Caliphate. The ruling sultan and caliph of this revived empire will be the Islamic messianic figure called the Mahdi. It is possible that the current revolutionary movements in Arab countries could lead to such a development.
Google. Amazing. Whether they can achieve it or not is irrelevant to the fact that they want it and strive for it. If they are not opposed, what then?
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Yes, I think I was clear on that. Now have at it. Or keep evading the challenge. Either one's fine with me.
You should have specified non-lunatic reliable links.
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Those are Mr Shoebat's own words.
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Yes, I think I was clear on that. Now have at it. Or keep evading the challenge. Either one's fine with me.
Here's one guy http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/03/radical-muslim-cleric-anjem-choudary-backs-out-of-pro-sharia-d-c-rally-video/
http://sites.google.com/site/islamicscripturesunveiled/
http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/the-khilafah/issues/73-establishing-the-khilafah-is-not-a-dream
http://www.evenatthedoors.com/blog/tag/walid-shoebat/
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“Biblically, the Empire of the Antichrist will not be a new empire; rather it will be the revival of a previously great empire that will have suffered what the Bible calls a ‘fatal head wound’. (Revelation 13:3) But the wound will be healed and the empire will be revived from the dead as it were: ‘And the beast [Antichrist Empire] which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain and his fatal wound healed. And the whole world was amazed and followed after the beast.” (Revelation 13:2-3)
“Today the Caliphate exists only in the desires of hundreds of millions of Muslims worldwide who want to revive this beast that was slain March 3, 1924. The last Caliphate–the Ottoman Caliphate–was officially abolished by the first President of the Turkish Republic, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. The abolition of the Caliphate is profoundly significant for our study. For it was on this day that the Islamic Empire, led by a sitting Caliph for over fourteen hundred years suffered a fatal head wound. The position of “head of state” of the Islamic Empire was severed.” ["God's War on Terror: Islam, Prophecy and the Bible, by Walid Shoebat, p. 81; Top Executive Media, 2008]
Mr. Shoebat believes that the Islamic Empire will rise again and be governed under Shari’a Law in the form of a Caliphate. The ruling sultan and caliph of this revived empire will be the Islamic messianic figure called the Mahdi. It is possible that the current revolutionary movements in Arab countries could lead to such a development.
Google. Amazing. Whether they can achieve it or not is irrelevant to the fact that they want it and strive for it. If they are not opposed, what then?
I stopped reading at "Anti-Christ".
Also, "Gods War on Terror"? I never took you for a Jesus freak Zappa. Find some credibly sources or stop fear mongering.
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I'm not. I'm an atheist. I posted Shoebat's own words. I can find thousands more links. So can you. The only thing that has prevented a greater caliphate putsch is the incompetence of the sixth century morons who want it. Not victory, mind you. They have zero chance of that but these are the people who blow themselves up for the glory of allah, piss be all over him.
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If you can't even make the most basic of distinctions between groups of Muslims who believe in freedom and democracy and Muslims who want to kill you for insulting Mohammed, why should anyone treat you as anything more than a hysterical fear-mongering bigot?
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Three things.
A)Saying "you can find thousand more links" is not the same as providing a source. Plus, a thousand shitty sources mean nothing in the face of one credible source(which you have yet to provide)
B) If there are so many other credible sources why would you post a raving jesus freak over them?
C)If the people who want this are so incompetent then why should we be afraid of them at all?
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What makes you believe I can't make that distinction? I certainly can. Do you know who else makes that distinction? Muslims who believe in freedom and democracy but are too afraid of the murdering mammoth in their midst that chops the heads off apostates to speak out strongly. They suffer for it but at least they still breathe.
I'm not Islamophobic. Comedy Central is and every newspaper that refused to stand up and say "I am Spartacus" and didn't publish the capitally criminal cartoons of muhammed the pedophile pig cartoons.
I wouldn't give two smelly shits about Islam if its adherents weren't telling me how I had to respect them. I don't and I won't.
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Three things.
A)Saying "you can find thousand more links" is not the same as providing a source. Plus, a thousand shitty sources mean nothing in the face of one credible source(which you have yet to provide)
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B) If there are so many other credible sources why would you post a raving jesus freak over them?
Just stop searching for a reason to impeach. There are thousands of fucking links. That one was on one of the first of several thousand pages I got in a search. The facts in it as I need are correct.Quote:
C)If the people who want this are so incompetent then why should we be afraid of them at all?
That is just fucking stupid. Mind numbingly stupid. They can't win but they keep fucking fighting. Some asshole was caught last summer trying to bomb Times Square. Should we ignore that just because they can never totally prevail?
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Yes, I think I was clear on that. Now have at it. Or keep evading the challenge. Either one's fine with me.
Here's one guy http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/03/radical-muslim-cleric-anjem-choudary-backs-out-of-pro-sharia-d-c-rally-video/
http://sites.google.com/site/islamicscripturesunveiled/
http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/the-khilafah/issues/73-establishing-the-khilafah-is-not-a-dream
http://www.evenatthedoors.com/blog/tag/walid-shoebat/
Google. Amazing. Whether they can achieve it or not is irrelevant to the fact that they want it and strive for it. If they are not opposed, what then?
I am completely unimpressed.
Also, you saying that you aren't Islamophobic, then talking about "muhammed the pedophile pig" is like saying "I'm not a racist, but those niggers need to learn their place".
I'm starting to read your posts less as coherent arguments and more as herp derp socialism herp derp caliphate herp derp.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Lord Amok]
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So what is it exactly that you are afraid will happen Zap?
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Lord Amok]
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Asking someone to provide sources for the proposition that the ultimate goal of literally millions of Muslims is a restoration of the Caliphate is - to be blunt - trolling. If someone makes a startling or controversial claim, then it is of course correct to challenge him on it. But this is the furthest thing possible from a controversial claim, it is common knowledge. Influential Muslim figures have been loudly and very publicly proclaiming this goal for.... well, for centuries now, actually. Since the loss of Andalusia if not longer.
As zap has pointed out, a Google search on this will provide more support than can be read be any one individual in a single lifetime. Why you are still trying to deny this is baffling in the extreme. Move on.
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That is the paradox isnt it? That is also a main problem with multiculturalism - it tolerates intolerance.
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Three things.
A)Saying "you can find thousand more links" is not the same as providing a source. Plus, a thousand shitty sources mean nothing in the face of one credible source(which you have yet to provide)
I fucking posted the guy's own words. There's lots more. Do your own search or fucking pay me.Quote:
B) If there are so many other credible sources why would you post a raving jesus freak over them?
Just stop searching for a reason to impeach. There are thousands of fucking links. That one was on one of the first of several thousand pages I got in a search. The facts in it as I need are correct.Quote:
C)If the people who want this are so incompetent then why should we be afraid of them at all?
That is just fucking stupid. Mind numbingly stupid. They can't win but they keep fucking fighting. Some asshole was caught last summer trying to bomb Times Square. Should we ignore that just because they can never totally prevail?
Yeah, trying to bomb times square with fireworks tapped to a bag of fertilizer.
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Phred said: Asking someone to provide sources for the proposition that the ultimate goal of literally millions of Muslims is a restoration of the Caliphate is - to be blunt - trolling. If someone makes a startling or controversial claim, then it is of course correct to challenge him on it. But this is the furthest thing possible from a controversial claim, it is common knowledge. Influential Muslim figures have been loudly and very publicly proclaiming this goal for.... well, for centuries now, actually. Since the loss of Andalusia if not longer.
As zap has pointed out, a Google search on this will provide more support than can be read be any one individual in a single lifetime. Why you are still trying to deny this is baffling in the extreme. Move on.
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Not to beat a dead horse, but those statements are at odds with each other.
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No they arnt. Influential figures are influential because they effect many people. In this case, they effect millions.
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Phred said: Asking someone to provide sources for the proposition that the ultimate goal of literally millions of Muslims is a restoration of the Caliphate is - to be blunt - trolling. If someone makes a startling or controversial claim, then it is of course correct to challenge him on it. But this is the furthest thing possible from a controversial claim, it is common knowledge. Influential Muslim figures have been loudly and very publicly proclaiming this goal for.... well, for centuries now, actually. Since the loss of Andalusia if not longer.
As zap has pointed out, a Google search on this will provide more support than can be read be any one individual in a single lifetime. Why you are still trying to deny this is baffling in the extreme. Move on.
Phred
Ok Googling right now.
The first 2 pages for Caliphate are either aabout the historical Caliphate or Glenn Beck.
I am not impressed. This may be common knowledge to your average Rush Limbaugh viewer but I have yet to hear anything about it outside of the context of "the AntiChrist".
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Not to belittle out your faulty logic, but no, they aren't. Neither statement contradicts the other.
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ONE link would shut me up.
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DieCommie said: That is the paradox isnt it? That is also a main problem with multiculturalism - it tolerates intolerance.
I couldn't agree more.. but, as it turns out, I could agree a hell of a lot less.
If you live in a multicultural environment, you can't be tolerant of intolerance, or else it drives people apart into monocultures.
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Phred said: Asking someone to provide sources for the proposition that the ultimate goal of literally millions of Muslims is a restoration of the Caliphate is - to be blunt - trolling. If someone makes a startling or controversial claim, then it is of course correct to challenge him on it. But this is the furthest thing possible from a controversial claim, it is common knowledge. Influential Muslim figures have been loudly and very publicly proclaiming this goal for.... well, for centuries now, actually. Since the loss of Andalusia if not longer.
As zap has pointed out, a Google search on this will provide more support than can be read be any one individual in a single lifetime. Why you are still trying to deny this is baffling in the extreme. Move on.
Thousands of people screaming bullshit are still screaming bullshit. The frequency of links supporting a point of view do nothing to lend it authenticity. Such populist thinking is fallacious in the extreme. And influential Christian figures have been loudly and very publicly proclaiming many things for centuries that I'm sure you'd agree the average Christian doesn't believe. If this is trolling, it's the most serious troll ever trolled.
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You realize that the reason for this is simply that the links in question weren't good enough, right? The joke's on you.
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zappaisgod said: I'm not. I'm an atheist. I posted Shoebat's own words. I can find thousands more links. So can you. The only thing that has prevented a greater caliphate putsch is the incompetence of the sixth century morons who want it. Not victory, mind you. They have zero chance of that but these are the people who blow themselves up for the glory of allah, piss be all over him.
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That is just fucking stupid. Mind numbingly stupid. They can't win but they keep fucking fighting. Some asshole was caught last summer trying to bomb Times Square. Should we ignore that just because they can never totally prevail?
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Phred said: Asking someone to provide sources for the proposition that the ultimate goal of literally millions of Muslims is a restoration of the Caliphate is - to be blunt - trolling. If someone makes a startling or controversial claim, then it is of course correct to challenge him on it. But this is the furthest thing possible from a controversial claim, it is common knowledge. Influential Muslim figures have been loudly and very publicly proclaiming this goal for.... well, for centuries now, actually. Since the loss of Andalusia if not longer.
As zap has pointed out, a Google search on this will provide more support than can be read be any one individual in a single lifetime. Why you are still trying to deny this is baffling in the extreme. Move on.
Phred
That's simply not true. Have you studied ANY polling techniques or statistical analysis?
This has been studied and the facts don't agree:
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Cutting across diverse Muslim countries, social classes, and gender differences, answers to our questions reveal a complex and surprising reality. Substantial majorities in nearly all nations surveyed (95% in Burkina Faso, 94% in Egypt, 93% in Iran, and 90% in Indonesia) say that if drafting a constitution for a new country, they would guarantee freedom of speech, defined as "allowing all citizens to express their opinion on the political, social, and economic issues of the day."
That's from the largest poll ever conducted on the issue, spanning more than 35 countries:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/104731/muslims-want-democracy-theocracy.aspx
Do you have any competing statistical data, or is it more of the type that Zap posted which makes bold claims without citing any credible empirical evidence?
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Phred said: Not to belittle out your faulty logic, but no, they aren't. Neither statement contradicts the other.
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Sorry, but extremists are everywhere. Google Fred Phelps, or a thousand others in the U.S. right now. I steadfastly refuse to belittle an entire segment of a population based on the few.
Many of those "millions of Muslims" are too damn concerned with not getting their asses shot off by a different sect of Islam or having enough to eat to worry about The Great Satan.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Lord Amok]
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You realize that the reason for this is simply that the links in question weren't good enough, right? The joke's on you.
Dude, I gave you Shoebat's own words. I gave 4 links. That lead to other links with quotations. If you want Google call for caliphate. I got this: About 666,000 results (0.28 seconds)
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For example, in Jordan, 54% of men and 55% of women want Sharia as the only source of legislation. In Egypt, the percentages are 70% of men and 62% of women; in Iran, 12% of men and 14% of women; and in Indonesia, 14% of men and 14% of women.
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Many appear to want their own democratic model that incorporates Sharia
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zappaisgod said: 2. Faggot as I use it has no application to homosexuality. But if you want to be offended, go ahead.
Oh, is that how it works?
Right, I'm going to define a new word; it will mean "someone that I don't like and generally has the wrong values". I choose to spell this word "nigger". This, of course, has no application to any actual black people.
If anyone wants to be offended by this, go ahead. It's obviously not my fault. At least according to Zapp's logic.
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Many of those "millions of Muslims" are too damn concerned with not getting their asses shot off by a different sect of Islam or having enough to eat to worry about The Great Satan.
By other Muslims who believe they aren't Islamic enough, yes.
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Many of those "millions of Muslims" are too damn concerned with not getting their asses shot off by a different sect of Islam or having enough to eat to worry about The Great Satan.
Wait, Phelps is a Muslim TERRORIST? That actually makes more sense than him being a Christian.
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Many of those "millions of Muslims" are too damn concerned with not getting their asses shot off by a different sect of Islam or having enough to eat to worry about The Great Satan.
By other Muslims who believe they aren't Islamic enough, yes.
And yet they willingly support these same extremists that they're afraid to get shot by? That doesn't sound very realistic to me.
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Many of those "millions of Muslims" are too damn concerned with not getting their asses shot off by a different sect of Islam or having enough to eat to worry about The Great Satan.
By other Muslims who believe they aren't Islamic enough, yes.
Sunnism and Shi’ism: A Concise Historical Summary Not long after Muhammad’s death in 632, the nascent Islamic community he created experienced significant fissures over the issue of succession and political authority. The majority of early converts to Islam believed that sovereign authority passed to those companions closest to the Prophet who were elected his caliphs (khalifa, i.e., successor, or viceroy) from the leadership of the Quraysh, Muhammad’s tribe. The first caliph was Abu Bakr, whose daughter, ’A’isha was one of the Prophet’s wives. Following the murder of the third Caliph, ’Uthman (644-56), ’Ali, both a cousin and son-in-law of Muhammad (’Ali had married his daughter Fatima,) claimed the caliphate. But he was opposed by kinsmen of ’Uthman and others, including ’A’isha, who disputed the legitimacy of his claim. ’Ali established his caliphate in Kufa (656-61) while the dissenters opposed him from Basra. They were defeated by ’Ali, but he was now confronted by Mu’awiya, a close kin of ’Uthman. The ensuing battle at Siffin on the upper Euphrates was halted by a joint agreement to accept arbitration. In the course of months of discussions, ’Ali himself was assassinated and Mu’awiya became caliph. He established his caliphate in Damascus where he became not only the founder of the Umayyad dynasty (661-750) but of the first Islamic empire. In time, out of this turmoil two major and distinct renditions of Islam emerged - sunnism and shi’ism (the original meaning of shi’i is “party”, i.e. party of ’Ali). The result has been the theological and political bifurcation of the Muslim community that continues today. Briefly, sunnism, to which the vast majority of Muslims subscribe, is rooted in the belief of a unity of the Quran, the sharia (Islamic law), and the sunna (the actions and habitual practices of the Prophet), a oneness that accommodates some differences in the interpretation of sharia by the various schools of law. For sunnis, it is the sunna (along with the Quran), that defines the rules of right conduct, and is the fundamental guide to the moral obligations of Muslims. As indicated, sunnis believed that succession to the Prophet rightfully belonged to his closest companions who were among the leaders of the Quraysh tribe. Those who became shi’i Muslims, insisted that ’Ali, was the rightful caliph and that rulership should pass after Ali to the children born of his wife Fatima, the Prophet’s daughter. The shi’is believed that since the community’s leadership rightfully passed from the Prophet to his kin ’Ali and then to ’Ali’s children by Fatima, authority belonged to the shi’i imams who ultimately derived their authority by being descended from Muhammad. Included in this hereditary transmission, it was believed, was divine inspiration that, in turn, endowed the shi’i imams with sovereignty by divine right thereby producing a highly authoritarian type of rule. Shi’ism, however, separated into three factions, the Zaidis (the smallest group, located mainly in Yemen), the Ismailis (who recognize the leadership of the Agha Khan and are found primarily in Pakistan, India, and East Africa), and the Ithna ’Asharis, or Twelvers, representing the great majority of shi’is who are concentrated chiefly in Iran and Iraq. Each sect devised its own version of sharia. The Ithna ’Asharis are so called because they believe that the Twelfth Imam became occult, i.e., became the hidden imam who will one day return to establish an exquisitely ideal holy leadership. http://www.upenn.edu/emeritus/events/Sunnism.pdf
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If a group of people wish to be governed by Sharia law, and they are all consenting adults, and none of their laws contravene the law of the land, then how does it hurt anyone else in the country for this to happen?
This is essentially how the Jewish courts, the Beth Din, have been operating in the UK for at least a century.
I really don't know what the panic is about.
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Ok lets look at Zappas links.
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http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/03/radical-muslim-cleric-anjem-choudary-backs-out-of-pro-sharia-d-c-rally-video/
One asshole =/= "hundreds of millions"(Zappas own words)
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http://sites.google.com/site/islamicscripturesunveiled/
A Koran debunking site. What does this prove?
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http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/the-khilafah/issues/73-establishing-the-khilafah-is-not-a-dream
Not only is this just one person writing an article, the article also very clearly lays out why celiphate cant happen.
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http://www.evenatthedoors.com/blog/tag/walid-shoebat/
Christian Blog. Believes in the Antichrist.
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Ygor said: If a group of people wish to be governed by Sharia law, and they are all consenting adults, and none of their laws contravene the law of the land, then how does it hurt anyone else in the country for this to happen?
This is essentially how the Jewish courts, the Beth Din, have been operating in the UK for at least a century.
I really don't know what the panic is about.
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Ygor said: If a group of people wish to be governed by Sharia law, and they are all consenting adults, and none of their laws contravene the law of the land, then how does it hurt anyone else in the country for this to happen?
This is essentially how the Jewish courts, the Beth Din, have been operating in the UK for at least a century.
I really don't know what the panic is about.
Smudgy people. Where the hell have you been?
Are you saying that Zappa is a racist?
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Many of those "millions of Muslims" are too damn concerned with not getting their asses shot off by a different sect of Islam or having enough to eat to worry about The Great Satan.
By other Muslims who believe they aren't Islamic enough, yes.
And yet they willingly support these same extremists that they're afraid to get shot by? That doesn't sound very realistic to me.
There's a shitload of Muslims. Over a hundred million want to impose a caliphate. Many other don't give a shit but are afraid to speak out against their violent scum brethren for fear of being chopped in the head region. What is so fucking difficult here?
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Ygor said: If a group of people wish to be governed by Sharia law, and they are all consenting adults, and none of their laws contravene the law of the land, then how does it hurt anyone else in the country for this to happen?
This is essentially how the Jewish courts, the Beth Din, have been operating in the UK for at least a century.
I really don't know what the panic is about.
Smudgy people. Where the hell have you been?
Are you saying that Zappa is a racist?
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Many of those "millions of Muslims" are too damn concerned with not getting their asses shot off by a different sect of Islam or having enough to eat to worry about The Great Satan.
By other Muslims who believe they aren't Islamic enough, yes.
And yet they willingly support these same extremists that they're afraid to get shot by? That doesn't sound very realistic to me.
There's a shitload of Muslims. Over a hundred million want to impose a caliphate. Many other don't give a shit but are afraid to speak out against their violent scum brethren for fear of being chopped in the head region. What is so fucking difficult here?
What's difficult is swallowing these claims that you're pulling completely out of your ass about a group that you know nothing about.
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Ygor said: If a group of people wish to be governed by Sharia law, and they are all consenting adults, and none of their laws contravene the law of the land, then how does it hurt anyone else in the country for this to happen?
This is essentially how the Jewish courts, the Beth Din, have been operating in the UK for at least a century.
I really don't know what the panic is about.
If someone was found guilty of a crime by the Beth Din could they be imprisoned? Executed? No, they could not. The imprisoners or the executors would go to jail. Could they stone a homosexual or an adulterer? No they could not.
There is no fucking panic. The Caliphatenuts are incompetent and inept. They kill random people and make the rest nervous. They have no chance of actually ruling but that is utterly irrelevant to the necessity to oppose them vehemently, violently and with all due diligence. Camels have noses. They should be smacked at every turn.
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Why do people keep saying "a hundred million"? I've looked at all the links posted here and none of them say this. And even if they did, they don't look statistically reliable to me.
The only statistically-valid, scientifically-acceptable figures in this thread were the ones saying that over 90% of muslims in over 30 countries approved of freedom of speech.
So I'm gonna believe that.
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1. I live in the desert, not the swamp. Swamps have water and too much nature. So I have been infesting the desert.
2. What threads have I resurrected?
This is the most traffic I have seen here in ages. I don't know why you'd be discouraging that, frankly, unless you're simply jealous of your monopoly of the soapbox.
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Because it's a big, round number, and if you post it often enough, it becomes true.
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zappaisgod said: If someone was found guilty of a crime by the Beth Din could they be imprisoned? Executed? No, they could not. The imprisoners or the executors would go to jail. Could they stone a homosexual or an adulterer? No they could not.
Well, most of Sharia is really to do with inheritance rights, and so on. That just involves a contract between two (or more) people. So the vast majority of it is eminently enforceable.
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I really don't think it helps to call Muslims camels. Just because they tend to live in sandy places is no reason to call people names.
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Because it's a big, round number, and if you post it often enough, it becomes true.
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This is essentially how the Jewish courts, the Beth Din, have been operating in the UK for at least a century.
I really don't know what the panic is about.
If someone was found guilty of a crime by the Beth Din could they be imprisoned? Executed? No, they could not. The imprisoners or the executors would go to jail. Could they stone a homosexual or an adulterer? No they could not.
There is no fucking panic. The Caliphatenuts are incompetent and inept. They kill random people and make the rest nervous. They have no chance of actually ruling but that is utterly irrelevant to the necessity to oppose them vehemently, violently and with all due diligence. Camels have noses. They should be smacked at every turn.
"Camels"? I suppose you didn't think you could get away with "sand niggers".
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: TGRR]
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Actually I was kinda sorry there were fewer pinatas. And I didn't say that it was you who was the thread necromancer. Just a general observation. So, to get to the real question, how many of these new guys are your recruits? You can say "none", I don't care, I realize coincidence is not causality. And where you been, anyway? I missed slapping you around.
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Ygor said: If a group of people wish to be governed by Sharia law, and they are all consenting adults, and none of their laws contravene the law of the land, then how does it hurt anyone else in the country for this to happen?
This is essentially how the Jewish courts, the Beth Din, have been operating in the UK for at least a century.
I really don't know what the panic is about.
If someone was found guilty of a crime by the Beth Din could they be imprisoned? Executed? No, they could not. The imprisoners or the executors would go to jail. Could they stone a homosexual or an adulterer? No they could not.
There is no fucking panic. The Caliphatenuts are incompetent and inept. They kill random people and make the rest nervous. They have no chance of actually ruling but that is utterly irrelevant to the necessity to oppose them vehemently, violently and with all due diligence. Camels have noses. They should be smacked at every turn.
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Ygor said: If a group of people wish to be governed by Sharia law, and they are all consenting adults, and none of their laws contravene the law of the land, then how does it hurt anyone else in the country for this to happen?
This is essentially how the Jewish courts, the Beth Din, have been operating in the UK for at least a century.
I really don't know what the panic is about.
If someone was found guilty of a crime by the Beth Din could they be imprisoned? Executed? No, they could not. The imprisoners or the executors would go to jail. Could they stone a homosexual or an adulterer? No they could not.
There is no fucking panic. The Caliphatenuts are incompetent and inept. They kill random people and make the rest nervous. They have no chance of actually ruling but that is utterly irrelevant to the necessity to oppose them vehemently, violently and with all due diligence. Camels have noses. They should be smacked at every turn.
I want the statistic of "one hundred million" that you keep spouting.
Of course you wont give it to me, instead youll just troll some more.
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Ygor said: If a group of people wish to be governed by Sharia law, and they are all consenting adults, and none of their laws contravene the law of the land, then how does it hurt anyone else in the country for this to happen?
This is essentially how the Jewish courts, the Beth Din, have been operating in the UK for at least a century.
I really don't know what the panic is about.
If someone was found guilty of a crime by the Beth Din could they be imprisoned? Executed? No, they could not. The imprisoners or the executors would go to jail. Could they stone a homosexual or an adulterer? No they could not.
There is no fucking panic. The Caliphatenuts are incompetent and inept. They kill random people and make the rest nervous. They have no chance of actually ruling but that is utterly irrelevant to the necessity to oppose them vehemently, violently and with all due diligence. Camels have noses. They should be smacked at every turn.
And yet you are convinced they are going to take over the world. Go figure. With their hundreds of millions.
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zappaisgod said: Actually I was kinda sorry there were fewer pinatas. And I didn't say that it was you who was the thread necromancer. Just a general observation. So, to get to the real question, how many of these new guys are your recruits? You can say "none", I don't care, I realize coincidence is not causality. And where you been, anyway? I missed slapping you around.
The next time you slap me around will be the first time, Zap.
And I don't have any "recruits". I'm not an evangelical Christian, after all. I did, however, invite a person or two, and they may have also invited people.
I assume that isn't a violation of some rule or other?
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And yet you are convinced they are going to take over the world. Go figure. With their hundreds of millions.
Show me the post where I said they were going to take over.
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For example, in Jordan, 54% of men and 55% of women want Sharia as the only source of legislation. In Egypt, the percentages are 70% of men and 62% of women; in Iran, 12% of men and 14% of women; and in Indonesia, 14% of men and 14% of women.
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Many appear to want their own democratic model that incorporates Sharia
Yikes!
I know! Jordan and Egypt both pose a credible threat to the US!
I just shit my pants!
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Net]
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For example, in Jordan, 54% of men and 55% of women want Sharia as the only source of legislation. In Egypt, the percentages are 70% of men and 62% of women; in Iran, 12% of men and 14% of women; and in Indonesia, 14% of men and 14% of women.
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Many appear to want their own democratic model that incorporates Sharia
Yikes!
I know! Jordan and Egypt both pose a credible threat to the US!
I just shit my pants!
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Aw, shit. Egypt is going to invade us and forcibly convert us?
Damn. I had some vacation lined up, too.
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And yet you are convinced they are going to take over the world. Go figure. With their hundreds of millions.
Show me the post where I said they were going to take over.
You've been blathering about it for 7 pages now. Need the link?
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: TGRR]
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TGRR said: Aw, shit. Egypt is going to invade us and forcibly convert us?
Damn. I had some vacation lined up, too.
Does this mean I get to learn to walk like an Egyptian?
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TGRR said: Aw, shit. Egypt is going to invade us and forcibly convert us?
Damn. I had some vacation lined up, too.
Does this mean I get to learn to walk like an Egyptian?
You won't have a choice.
None of us will ever be as cool as "baguette guy", though.
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Damn. I had some vacation lined up, too.
Does this mean I get to learn to walk like an Egyptian?
I, for one, welcome our mummy overlords.
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And yet you are convinced they are going to take over the world. Go figure. With their hundreds of millions.
Show me the post where I said they were going to take over.
You've been blathering about it for 7 pages now. Need the link?
Find the post. It's easy.
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And yet you are convinced they are going to take over the world. Go figure. With their hundreds of millions.
Show me the post where I said they were going to take over.
You've been blathering about it for 7 pages now. Need the link?
Find the post. It's easy.
“Today the Caliphate exists only in the desires of hundreds of millions of Muslims worldwide who want to revive this beast that was slain March 3, 1924. The last Caliphate–the Ottoman Caliphate–was officially abolished by the first President of the Turkish Republic, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. The abolition of the Caliphate is profoundly significant for our study. For it was on this day that the Islamic Empire, led by a sitting Caliph for over fourteen hundred years suffered a fatal head wound. The position of “head of state” of the Islamic Empire was severed.” ["God's War on Terror: Islam, Prophecy and the Bible, by Walid Shoebat, p. 81; Top Executive Media, 2008]
Mr. Shoebat believes that the Islamic Empire will rise again and be governed under Shari’a Law in the form of a Caliphate. The ruling sultan and caliph of this revived empire will be the Islamic messianic figure called the Mahdi. It is possible that the current revolutionary movements in Arab countries could lead to such a development.
I fucking posted the guy's own words. There's lots more. Do your own search or fucking pay me.
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That doesn't mean I think he's going to take over. Shit you get weaker and weaker every time you post. I just don't think you're up for this. Maybe try the Growery for a few months, hone your skills.
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Egad, I know!! Some days the level of debate here feels like I never left high-school.
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zappaisgod said: That doesn't mean I think he's going to take over. Shit you get weaker and weaker every time you post. I just don't think you're up for this. Maybe try the Growery for a few months, hone your skills.
I am constantly and utterly amazed at how you perceive your own wit. You post the guy as fact, then you say it is fact, then you try to avoid the topic head on. I am reminded of ditto-heads and repub parrots who are unable to fashion their own thoughts.
Keep trying, one day you may actually convince yourself that you are of superior intelligence.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: MushyHobo]
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Egad, I know!! Some days the level of debate here feels like I never left high-school kindergarten. 
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Well, glad to see we're always raising the bar around here, you know, setting the tone.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: TGRR]
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Well, glad to see we're always raising the bar around here, you know, setting the tone.
I have been called derelict and incompetent, weak and stupid and a troll so far. It's been a very good day.
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zappaisgod said: That doesn't mean I think he's going to take over. Shit you get weaker and weaker every time you post. I just don't think you're up for this. Maybe try the Growery for a few months, hone your skills.
Well, glad to see we're always raising the bar around here, you know, setting the tone.
I have been called derelict and incompetent, weak and stupid and a troll so far. It's been a very good day. 
Thank God "the adults" are in charge.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: TGRR]
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zappaisgod said: That doesn't mean I think he's going to take over. Shit you get weaker and weaker every time you post. I just don't think you're up for this. Maybe try the Growery for a few months, hone your skills.
Well, glad to see we're always raising the bar around here, you know, setting the tone.
I have been called derelict and incompetent, weak and stupid and a troll so far. It's been a very good day. 
Thank God "the adults" are in charge.
Where?
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Icelander]
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So what is it exactly that you are afraid will happen Zap? I am very interested in hearing this.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Icelander]
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A bondage tranny with an axe?
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looking for coyote tail
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Icelander]
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Egyptians steal old people!
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A bondage tranny with an axe?
As soon as bondage trannies are allowed to marry, their signature axe gains nonlocal powers, murdering straight marriages hundreds of miles away, through quantum.
Little known fact I read on a blog.
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I'd like to invite them over to get my dad.
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That beard is glorious.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Lord Amok]
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which one?
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Icelander]
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The flaming red beard, obviously.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Lord Amok]
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kidding
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Icelander]
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I admire the bearditude. It's foreign culture that I can get behind.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Lord Amok]
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Lord Amok]
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The flaming red beard, obviously.
I demand an explanation for that beard.
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He kinda looks like the Christian image of God.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: DieCommie]
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Culture, which is a choice.
It's about Beards.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Lord Amok]
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OH hell yes it is.... oh, and it can get behind me....
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A Culture without Beards, is like Black Sabbath without Ozzy Osbourne. You're aware of them, but they don't really have any gravitas.
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Psilly Billy said: A Culture without Beards, is like Black Sabbath without Ozzy Osbourne. You're aware of them, but they don't really have any gravitas.
Ozzy didn't have a beard. You psilly billy. But you know who did? Tony Martin.
edit: To be fair, it wasn't a very epic beard.
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You can talk of the beard but give some love up for that glorious 'stache.
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Here's some well cultural Beards!




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Screw you Dio was awesome.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Atomsk]
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OK, but seriously what is up with that dudes epic beard?
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Ah yes, more the territory of the Dictator, still cultural though.





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He dies it, culturally with Henna
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Screw you Dio was awesome.
Yeah, right. Only ever standing in the shadow of Ozzy.
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Screw you Dio was awesome.
Yeah, right. Only ever standing in the shadow of Ozzy.
You have yet to address my point that Ozzy's beardless visage is inferior to Tony Martin's five o'clock shadow.
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Screw you Dio was awesome.
Yeah, right. Only ever standing in the shadow of Ozzy.
In the dark, you mean? Like a rainbow?
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Screw you Dio was awesome.
Yeah, right. Only ever standing in the shadow of Ozzy.
In the dark, you mean? Like a rainbow?
You sir are made of epic. Also win.
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Lord Amok said: In the dark, you mean? Like a rainbow?
You sir are made of epic. Also win.
Why, thank you.
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Psilly Billy
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phoxyilluminata said: [In the dark, you mean? Like a rainbow?
You sir are made of epic. Also win.
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phoxyilluminata
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Psilly Billy said:
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phoxyilluminata said: [In the dark, you mean? Like a rainbow?
You sir are made of epic. Also win.

Plagiarist. Also, unicorn sperm happens to be the tastiest of all sperm, after mule.
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Lord Amok
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phoxyilluminata said:
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Psilly Billy said:
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phoxyilluminata said: [In the dark, you mean? Like a rainbow?
You sir are made of epic. Also win.

Plagiarist. Also, unicorn sperm happens to be the tastiest of all sperm, after mule.
And whale, of course.
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phoxyilluminata
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Lord Amok]
#14063874 - 03/03/11 11:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lord Amok said:
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phoxyilluminata said:
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Psilly Billy said:
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phoxyilluminata said: [In the dark, you mean? Like a rainbow?
You sir are made of epic. Also win.

Plagiarist. Also, unicorn sperm happens to be the tastiest of all sperm, after mule.
And whale, of course.
Well, of course. Also, dolphin.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Lord Amok]
#14063888 - 03/03/11 11:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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phoxyilluminata
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DAmn., You can by Batman's sperm? Where? I need to have Bat-babbies.
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Lord Amok
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DAmn., You can by Batman's sperm? Where? I need to have Bat-babbies.
Why, in Batman, Turkey, of course.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Catalysis]
#14064137 - 03/04/11 12:23 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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Catalysis said: If people do not want to assimilate into the culture where they are immigrating to, then they should not go there.
It seems that people often want to immigrate to a better country and then try to make that country adapt to their old culture. This obviously brings an undeserved burden to the new, better country.
I couldn't agree more! If these unamerican freaks don't like MY country, they can go back to whatever mud hut they came from!
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phoxyilluminata
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Baby_Hitler said: I believe this may be relevant to your interests:
http://www.gearfuse.com/batman-with-a-beard-adding-beards-to-beardless-characters/

Yes. Yes it is.
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zappaisgod said: It's not the physical characteristics at issue.
Well said, I agree.
It's not their physical characteristics at issue -- it's their disgusting food, dangerous and wrong religious beliefs, unintelligible accents, terrible music, body odor, laziness, criminal behavior, sexual amorality, ugly clothes, and poor hygiene that's at issue.
-------------------- So like the wall started melting, and we were trying to scoop it up and put it back in place, and the songs on the radio sounded like they all had video game sound effects mixed in, but then when the lamp started talking, I ran outside and climbed a tree, and there were a bunch of trolls down there telling me to come down, and I said no because you're going to eat me, and the trolls told me that I was just tripping and that I should get down out of that tree before I fall and come back inside because it's cold, but I stayed up there and the trolls all left. Then when I thought it was safe I went back into the house, and I told my friends about how I almost got eaten by trolls. They just laughed because they were tripping.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Ravus]
#14064973 - 03/04/11 06:43 AM (13 years, 2 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: This thread ran its course pages ago and is now nothing but OTD-lite.
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