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And just so it's clear, by "live according to those laws" I don't mean that it would be legal for them to carry out the punishments that would normally be illegal under our system.
But that is the crux of the biscuit. Without enforcement there is no law. Just rules. I know that. But that is not what seems to be the goal of those seeking a caliphate in the US.
In the short time I have been here you have used the word Negro and faggot. Now you are accusing Muslims of wanting to overthrow the U.S. and impose Sharia Law. I think Net hit it right on the head earlier.
1. There is not one single thing insulting about referring to Negroes as Negroes. Ever heard of the United Negro College Fund? So that is one giant rousing fuck you' 2. Faggot as I use it has no application to homosexuality. But if you want to be offended, go ahead. 3. If you are not aware that there are hundreds of millions of Muslims desirous of establishing a world caliphate you are one ignorant ostrich.
Why don't you come here and call black people Negroes. In the context that you used faggot it certainly had the appearance of being homophobic. There are extremists in every religion, that does not make them a majority.
I don't know if you are a bigot or not, it just right now is coming across that way.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Lord Amok]
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And just so it's clear, by "live according to those laws" I don't mean that it would be legal for them to carry out the punishments that would normally be illegal under our system.
But that is the crux of the biscuit. Without enforcement there is no law. Just rules. I know that. But that is not what seems to be the goal of those seeking a caliphate in the US.
All that I'm seeing here is xenophobic fear mongering. Convince me.
Is this serious? Are you not aware of that?
Fear mongering? Hardly. I'm getting sick of that stupid fucking meme, too. Every goddam warning about something that might happen is now being labeled by those opposed as some kind of "monger". It is idiotic.
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And just so it's clear, by "live according to those laws" I don't mean that it would be legal for them to carry out the punishments that would normally be illegal under our system.
But that is the crux of the biscuit. Without enforcement there is no law. Just rules. I know that. But that is not what seems to be the goal of those seeking a caliphate in the US.
All that I'm seeing here is xenophobic fear mongering. Convince me.
Is this serious? Are you not aware of that?
Fear mongering? Hardly. I'm getting sick of that stupid fucking meme, too. Every goddam warning about something that might happen is now being labeled by those opposed as some kind of "monger". It is idiotic.
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And just so it's clear, by "live according to those laws" I don't mean that it would be legal for them to carry out the punishments that would normally be illegal under our system.
But that is the crux of the biscuit. Without enforcement there is no law. Just rules. I know that. But that is not what seems to be the goal of those seeking a caliphate in the US.
All that I'm seeing here is xenophobic fear mongering. Convince me.
Is this serious? Are you not aware of that?
Fear mongering? Hardly. I'm getting sick of that stupid fucking meme, too. Every goddam warning about something that might happen is now being labeled by those opposed as some kind of "monger". It is idiotic.
I calls it as I sees it. Now convince me, if you can.
To clarify: I have heard what Glenn Beck has to say about this "caliphate" theory of yours. I do not, however, believe Beck to be a reliable source. A chalkboard and crew cut hardly grant authoritative knowledge of Muslim culture.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Lord Amok]
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Convince you of what? That hundreds of millions of Muslims want to impose a world wide caliphate?
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I don't watch Glenn Beck but I don't automatically disbelieve something because he talks about it.
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Yes, I think I was clear on that. Now have at it. Or keep evading the challenge. Either one's fine with me.
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And just so it's clear, by "live according to those laws" I don't mean that it would be legal for them to carry out the punishments that would normally be illegal under our system.
But that is the crux of the biscuit. Without enforcement there is no law. Just rules. I know that. But that is not what seems to be the goal of those seeking a caliphate in the US.
All that I'm seeing here is xenophobic fear mongering. Convince me.
Is this serious? Are you not aware of that?
Fear mongering? Hardly. I'm getting sick of that stupid fucking meme, too. Every goddam warning about something that might happen is now being labeled by those opposed as some kind of "monger". It is idiotic.
Warning: mulleted monkeys might spurt out of my ass riding on flying pigs, armed with vapid talking points that they can't even begin to defend with facts or reason.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Net]
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Sharia has also been brought up, but that's even more complicated, because while many Westerners, upon hearing the word "sharia," are likely to think of people's hands getting cut off, most aspects of Sharia simply have to do with things like inheritance rights, hygiene, diet, prayer, fasting, etc. So a lot of this anti-Sharia stuff is like telling Jews they can't follows the laws of Moses.
That's like saying most laws in the US relate to torts and civil actions (which is true). And nobody is telling sharia jerkjoffs they can't keep hallal. But we are telling sharia jerkoffs that they can't chop the fucking heads off their daughters. Ever. For any reason.
And Mohammed can suck my cock, the pedophile piece of shit.
Does that froth around your mouth taste as ignorant as it looks?
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Lord Amok]
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zappaisgod said: Convince you of what? That hundreds of millions of Muslims want to impose a world wide caliphate?
Yes, I think I was clear on that. Now have at it. Or keep evading the challenge. Either one's fine with me.
Here's one guy http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/03/radical-muslim-cleric-anjem-choudary-backs-out-of-pro-sharia-d-c-rally-video/
http://sites.google.com/site/islamicscripturesunveiled/
http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/the-khilafah/issues/73-establishing-the-khilafah-is-not-a-dream
http://www.evenatthedoors.com/blog/tag/walid-shoebat/
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Mr. Shoebat wrote three years ago of a revived Caliphate (i.e. an Islamic religious and political entity comprised of Muslim countries worldwide under the authority of a Caliph) ruled by the Antichrist :
“Biblically, the Empire of the Antichrist will not be a new empire; rather it will be the revival of a previously great empire that will have suffered what the Bible calls a ‘fatal head wound’. (Revelation 13:3) But the wound will be healed and the empire will be revived from the dead as it were: ‘And the beast [Antichrist Empire] which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain and his fatal wound healed. And the whole world was amazed and followed after the beast.” (Revelation 13:2-3)
“Today the Caliphate exists only in the desires of hundreds of millions of Muslims worldwide who want to revive this beast that was slain March 3, 1924. The last Caliphate–the Ottoman Caliphate–was officially abolished by the first President of the Turkish Republic, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. The abolition of the Caliphate is profoundly significant for our study. For it was on this day that the Islamic Empire, led by a sitting Caliph for over fourteen hundred years suffered a fatal head wound. The position of “head of state” of the Islamic Empire was severed.” ["God's War on Terror: Islam, Prophecy and the Bible, by Walid Shoebat, p. 81; Top Executive Media, 2008]
Mr. Shoebat believes that the Islamic Empire will rise again and be governed under Shari’a Law in the form of a Caliphate. The ruling sultan and caliph of this revived empire will be the Islamic messianic figure called the Mahdi. It is possible that the current revolutionary movements in Arab countries could lead to such a development.
Google. Amazing. Whether they can achieve it or not is irrelevant to the fact that they want it and strive for it. If they are not opposed, what then?
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Lord Amok]
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zappaisgod said: Convince you of what? That hundreds of millions of Muslims want to impose a world wide caliphate?
Yes, I think I was clear on that. Now have at it. Or keep evading the challenge. Either one's fine with me.
You should have specified non-lunatic reliable links.
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Those are Mr Shoebat's own words.
I can find thousands of links. So can you.
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zappaisgod said: Convince you of what? That hundreds of millions of Muslims want to impose a world wide caliphate?
Yes, I think I was clear on that. Now have at it. Or keep evading the challenge. Either one's fine with me.
Here's one guy http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/03/radical-muslim-cleric-anjem-choudary-backs-out-of-pro-sharia-d-c-rally-video/
http://sites.google.com/site/islamicscripturesunveiled/
http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/the-khilafah/issues/73-establishing-the-khilafah-is-not-a-dream
http://www.evenatthedoors.com/blog/tag/walid-shoebat/
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Mr. Shoebat wrote three years ago of a revived Caliphate (i.e. an Islamic religious and political entity comprised of Muslim countries worldwide under the authority of a Caliph) ruled by the Antichrist :
“Biblically, the Empire of the Antichrist will not be a new empire; rather it will be the revival of a previously great empire that will have suffered what the Bible calls a ‘fatal head wound’. (Revelation 13:3) But the wound will be healed and the empire will be revived from the dead as it were: ‘And the beast [Antichrist Empire] which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority. And I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain and his fatal wound healed. And the whole world was amazed and followed after the beast.” (Revelation 13:2-3)
“Today the Caliphate exists only in the desires of hundreds of millions of Muslims worldwide who want to revive this beast that was slain March 3, 1924. The last Caliphate–the Ottoman Caliphate–was officially abolished by the first President of the Turkish Republic, Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. The abolition of the Caliphate is profoundly significant for our study. For it was on this day that the Islamic Empire, led by a sitting Caliph for over fourteen hundred years suffered a fatal head wound. The position of “head of state” of the Islamic Empire was severed.” ["God's War on Terror: Islam, Prophecy and the Bible, by Walid Shoebat, p. 81; Top Executive Media, 2008]
Mr. Shoebat believes that the Islamic Empire will rise again and be governed under Shari’a Law in the form of a Caliphate. The ruling sultan and caliph of this revived empire will be the Islamic messianic figure called the Mahdi. It is possible that the current revolutionary movements in Arab countries could lead to such a development.
Google. Amazing. Whether they can achieve it or not is irrelevant to the fact that they want it and strive for it. If they are not opposed, what then?
I stopped reading at "Anti-Christ".
Also, "Gods War on Terror"? I never took you for a Jesus freak Zappa. Find some credibly sources or stop fear mongering.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Atomsk]
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I'm not. I'm an atheist. I posted Shoebat's own words. I can find thousands more links. So can you. The only thing that has prevented a greater caliphate putsch is the incompetence of the sixth century morons who want it. Not victory, mind you. They have zero chance of that but these are the people who blow themselves up for the glory of allah, piss be all over him.
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If you can't even make the most basic of distinctions between groups of Muslims who believe in freedom and democracy and Muslims who want to kill you for insulting Mohammed, why should anyone treat you as anything more than a hysterical fear-mongering bigot?
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zappaisgod said: I'm not. I'm an atheist. I posted Shoebat's own words. I can find thousands more links. So can you. The only thing that has prevented a greater caliphate putsch is the incompetence of the sixth century morons who want it. Not victory, mind you. They have zero chance of that but these are the people who blow themselves up for the glory of allah, piss be all over him.
Three things.
A)Saying "you can find thousand more links" is not the same as providing a source. Plus, a thousand shitty sources mean nothing in the face of one credible source(which you have yet to provide)
B) If there are so many other credible sources why would you post a raving jesus freak over them?
C)If the people who want this are so incompetent then why should we be afraid of them at all?
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Net]
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Net said: If you can't even make the most basic of distinctions between groups of Muslims who believe in freedom and democracy and Muslims who want to kill you for insulting Mohammed, why should anyone treat you as anything more than a hysterical fear-mongering bigot?
What makes you believe I can't make that distinction? I certainly can. Do you know who else makes that distinction? Muslims who believe in freedom and democracy but are too afraid of the murdering mammoth in their midst that chops the heads off apostates to speak out strongly. They suffer for it but at least they still breathe.
I'm not Islamophobic. Comedy Central is and every newspaper that refused to stand up and say "I am Spartacus" and didn't publish the capitally criminal cartoons of muhammed the pedophile pig cartoons.
I wouldn't give two smelly shits about Islam if its adherents weren't telling me how I had to respect them. I don't and I won't.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Atomsk]
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Three things.
A)Saying "you can find thousand more links" is not the same as providing a source. Plus, a thousand shitty sources mean nothing in the face of one credible source(which you have yet to provide)
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B) If there are so many other credible sources why would you post a raving jesus freak over them?
Just stop searching for a reason to impeach. There are thousands of fucking links. That one was on one of the first of several thousand pages I got in a search. The facts in it as I need are correct.Quote:
C)If the people who want this are so incompetent then why should we be afraid of them at all?
That is just fucking stupid. Mind numbingly stupid. They can't win but they keep fucking fighting. Some asshole was caught last summer trying to bomb Times Square. Should we ignore that just because they can never totally prevail?
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zappaisgod said: Convince you of what? That hundreds of millions of Muslims want to impose a world wide caliphate?
Yes, I think I was clear on that. Now have at it. Or keep evading the challenge. Either one's fine with me.
Here's one guy http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/03/radical-muslim-cleric-anjem-choudary-backs-out-of-pro-sharia-d-c-rally-video/
http://sites.google.com/site/islamicscripturesunveiled/
http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/the-khilafah/issues/73-establishing-the-khilafah-is-not-a-dream
http://www.evenatthedoors.com/blog/tag/walid-shoebat/
Google. Amazing. Whether they can achieve it or not is irrelevant to the fact that they want it and strive for it. If they are not opposed, what then?
I am completely unimpressed.
Also, you saying that you aren't Islamophobic, then talking about "muhammed the pedophile pig" is like saying "I'm not a racist, but those niggers need to learn their place".
I'm starting to read your posts less as coherent arguments and more as herp derp socialism herp derp caliphate herp derp.
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Re: Multiculturalism [Re: Lord Amok]
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So what is it exactly that you are afraid will happen Zap?
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