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Offlinesander
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dxm investigation
    #4223845 - 05/26/05 08:31 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i just received this email from "FDA Information" <Information@ORAOCI.ORA.FDA.GOV>


If you are a recipient of this e-mail you have been identified as a customer of www.chemicalapi. Chemical API is currently under investigation by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, Office of Criminal Investigations and the U.S. Attorney's Office, Indianapolis, IN.

Dextromethorphan sold by Chemical API has been associated with five deaths throughout the United States. You are strongly cautioned not to use this product. As this investigation continues customers of Chemical API may be contacted by criminal investigators.

Additional information about the dangers of Dextromethorphan use and abuse can be found at the following SAMHSA National Clearinghouse for Alcohol and Drug Information links. <http://store.health.org/catalog/mediaDetails.aspx?ID=371>,

<http://www.family.samhsa.gov/get/otcdrugs.aspx>

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has published the following warning:

T05-23 Media Inquiries: Bradford Stone

May 20, 2005 301-827-6250

Consumer Inquiries: 888-INFO-FDA

FDA WARNS AGAINST ABUSE OF DEXTROMETHORPHAN (DXM)

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is concerned about the abuse of dextromethorphan (DXM), a synthetically produced ingredient found in many over-the-counter (OTC) cough and cold remedies. The agency is working with other health and law enforcement authorities to address this serious issue and warn the public of potential harm, after five recently reported deaths of teenagers that may be associated with the consumption of powdered DXM sold in capsules.

Although DXM, when formulated properly and used in small amounts, can be safely used in cough suppressant medicines, abuse of the drug can cause death as well as other serious adverse events such as brain damage, seizure, loss of consciousness, and irregular heart beat.

DXM abuse, though not a new phenomenon, has developed into a disturbing new trend which involves the sale of pure DXM in powdered form. This pure DXM is often encapsulated by the "dealer" and offered for street use.

DXM has gradually replaced codeine as the most widely used cough suppressant in the United States. It is available OTC in capsule, liquid, liquid gelatin capsule, lozenge, and tablet forms. When ingested at recommended dosage levels, DXM is generally a safe and effective cough suppressant.

Additional information about the dangers of Dextromethorphan use and abuse can be found at the following SAMHSA National Clearinghouse for Alcohol and Drug Information links. <http://store.health.org/catalog/mediaDetails.aspx?ID=371>,

<http://www.family.samhsa.gov/get/otcdrugs.aspx>

at this point do you guys think there is anything i can do about this situation to help myself. this email (at least as far i can tell but the number of people in the "to" file of the email) was sent to about 200 different email addresses.
moderators feel free to move this to safety and security or even ODD as you think fits.


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Re: dxm investigation [Re: sander]
    #4223867 - 05/26/05 08:38 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

You better get a lawyer.............

DXM is nice I want to get a big white pile of it to save for when it becomes illegal, so I have enough to last my entire life.


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Re: dxm investigation [Re: sander]
    #4223913 - 05/26/05 08:53 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

They're just telling you to be very careful in your administration of that cough medi cine, that's all.

Apparently it does some strange things in above recomended doses. :tongue:


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Re: dxm investigation [Re: Randolph_Carter]
    #4224043 - 05/26/05 09:35 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Apparently it does some strange things in above recomended doses. :tongue:




Ya  i think i heard about that also


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Re: dxm investigation *DELETED* [Re: sander]
    #4224119 - 05/26/05 10:01 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Reason for deletion: uh oh



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Re: dxm investigation [Re: dblaney]
    #4224170 - 05/26/05 10:12 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

yeah. legal to buy and posses, but if you ingest wouldn't it be an abuse of the terms and conditions under which you bought the stuff. do you think having large amounts of the stuff could be considered possession with intent to distribute. they certainly know how much i technically have. I'm not really worried about a law suit, as whats the point of going after the little fishes. I'm just voicing concern, and wondering what is within the realm of possibility.


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Re: dxm investigation [Re: sander]
    #4224213 - 05/26/05 10:21 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Even if you were to distribute it, I would imagine it would be legal, as it's a legal drug. Although it might be a problem with the FDA, so just tell them it was for your own use.


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Re: dxm investigation [Re: dblaney]
    #4224501 - 05/27/05 12:05 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

whoa. i registered the day after you did. and yet you have 1688 more posts. anyway. Ive received a few email from that blanket response i did. the general consensus is summed up in this email.

"Personally, I'm not worried. Keep in mind that we were contacted by the FDA and not the DEA. If investigators contact us, they will probably just be asking about who took the DXM and if anything happened to them. I'm more worried about the fact that 5 API customers are dead. Since 2000, seven people have died from DXM, and five of them died because it was Coricidin. Then all of a sudden, five people die from DXM in the span of several months, and they all died from "pure" DXM purchased from the same website. I find this very disconcerting.
So, I wouldn't worry. DXM hasn't been scheduled yet, so buying it isn't illegal. API isn't being investigated because they are "dealing drugs", they are being investigated because the legal substance they are selling lead to five deaths. Although I would suspect that if this story continues to unfold this way, DXM will probably get an emergency scheduling in the very near future."

there has been some question as to the legality of what those of us who purchased the substance were doing. while we all agree that nothing can happen to us for purchasing and possessing the dxm. a few people have voiced their premonition that since the product was not intended for human consumption and we all agreed to a disclaimer specifically stating we would not ingest the products for recreational use that we were violating something by doing so. a few others have said that their intention is to claim medical use, but even this medical use would be the aforementioned illegal ingestion. personally i am not even worried about being contacted but does anyone know for certain at what point the dxm use becomes legally questionable.


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Re: dxm investigation [Re: sander]
    #4224794 - 05/27/05 01:12 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

DXM will probably not be put into an emergency schedule. They already did that with codeine because they feared abuse potential, it will be a big slap in the face if the replacement was even more dangerous. What I think will happen is probably similar to pseudoephedrine, behind the counter sales with purchase limits, and making pure or extracted DXM on a schedule equal to, or lower than II at most. Other options include reducing DXM content in syrup, or putting some kind of agent that leads to nausea in large doses.

I don't see DXM ever completely going away, there's too much money being made on it just like prescriptions that have abuse potential. But just like any substance, the end result is going to be diluted medicines, and discrimination against legit usage, and harsh penalties against the innocent.

Hasn't the DEA seen that people just want to use drugs, and will use anything, even cough syrup or gasoline to achieve that goal? Or is that there goal, to kill off or incarcerate everyone that has an aversion to altered states? Is the DEA really like the Nazis, exterminating the unfit?

*Allright, conspiracy theory ends..


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Re: dxm investigation [Re: sander]
    #4225548 - 05/27/05 06:47 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

1) dxm is not illegal as long as you are not using it to get high
2) cops don't email you if you are being investigated ... of course this came from the FDA cops not the DEA cops, soooo...
3) keep your mouth shut, talk to nobody and reply to nobody
4) if anybody asks, see rule number 3
5) did I mention, don't talk about this with anybody (except a laywer)?
6) if you can afford one, retain a lawyer. unlikely to be of need, but better to be safe than sorry
7) you are probably on a watch list now... be very careful what you buy, from whom, and how you pay
8) I'm not a laywer and have been wrong in the past...


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Re: dxm investigation [Re: Randolph_Carter]
    #4226027 - 05/27/05 12:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Randolph Carter said:
They're just telling you to be very careful in your administration of that cough medi cine, that's all.

Apparently it does some strange things in above recomended doses. :tongue:




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Re: dxm investigation [Re: bf6]
    #4226051 - 05/27/05 12:44 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Dont order stuff like this off the net!


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Re: dxm investigation [Re: baraka]
    #4226555 - 05/27/05 02:57 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Don't lie to the investigators. Instead, just refuse to answer their questions, and ask them to leave.


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