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What is this new "USA" bill all about
    #421889 - 10/11/01 01:14 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I just received an email from a friend about the new "Uniting and Strengthening America" that goes before the senate next week. Sounds pretty controversial.

My friend who sent me the email is very very left-wing though, so I am assuming that her email embellsihes a little on the truth. This is what she told me the bill would achieve:


* Allow for indefinite detention of non-citizens, even if they have
successfully challenged a government effort to deport them.

* Minimize judicial supervision of federal telephone and Internet
surveillance by law enforcement authorities.

* Expand the ability of the government to conduct secret searches. (See
http://www.aclu.org/congress/l100801e.html)

* Give the Attorney General and the Secretary of State the power to
designate domestic groups as terrorist organizations and block any
non-citizen who belongs to them from entering the country. Under this
provision, paying membership dues to such an organization would become a
deportable offense. (See http://www.aclu.org/congress/l100801d.html)

* Grant the FBI broad access to sensitive business records about
individuals
without having to show evidence of a crime. (See
http://www.aclu.org/congress/l100801a.html)

* Lead to large-scale investigations of American citizens for
"intelligence"
purposes.


Certainly, there are other aspects to the bill that she left out. I was hoping somebody might know the bill a little more exactly.


P.S. According to an article I read last week in, of all places, maxim, a lot of this intelligence surveilance stuff on the average citizen is already going on.

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Re: What is this new "USA" bill all about [Re: gluke bastid]
    #421949 - 10/11/01 02:18 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

>* Allow for indefinite detention of non-citizens, even if they have
successfully challenged a government effort to deport them.

Last I heard the only way that indefinite detention would happen would be if the country that they "hail from" would not allow them to return. In other words, this would only happen if their own government renounced their citizenship and they became a person without a government.

>* Minimize judicial supervision of federal telephone and Internet
surveillance by law enforcement authorities.

The goal of this is so that if people change the computer they use or the cell phone they will be able to continue to the phone/internet tap. Currently if a person changes their phone they have to get a new tap or if they don't use the same computer they can't just look at their e-mail. At least that's the claim I've heard...

>* Grant the FBI broad access to sensitive business records about
individuals without having to show evidence of a crime.

They already kind of have this power, if there's any supicious banking by an individual or buisness the bank is suppose to report it to the federal government already. I believe the actual goal of this is based at banks that are not located in the US, something the US shouldn't have power to do.

The other things you mentioned I haven't heard much of anything about. Unfortunately I've been too busy to catch much C-SPAN recently... I love that channel. I did hear that at one point they were going to make it last for a limited 2 year period and then have to be reapproved by the Congress. Sort of like, if it was no longer necessary to invade people's privacy for protection of citizens against terrorist they shouldn't. The Republicans didn't like this idea, I did, so I'm not sure if it was removed or what. Any information either contradictory to what I've said or about the other things mentioned would be much appreciated.

BTW the ACLU thinks that people who are visiting the US, should have all the same rights as citizens of the country and should not be subject to deportation(had an interview of some lady on CNN who was claiming this). The US should have the right to deport any non-citizen they view as a danger to US's national security.



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Re: What is this new "USA" bill all about [Re: gluke bastid]
    #422144 - 10/11/01 06:01 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yes it is all true. There has been legislation like this in Europe for a while, not the indefinate detention bit though, which applies to 'suspected illegal immigrants' (i.e. anyone) and is the most frightening part. Here they used the excuse of the IRA and ETA, now the Bush admin. have finally got the chance to intoduce the legislation in your country. Capitialism must grow to survive, i.e. more work must be done by people each year. This requires capitalist, neo-liberal states to become increasingly fascist and authoritarian. The Global Police State is on it's way... Already in the U.S. the internment camps are ready for prisoners.



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Re: What is this new "USA" bill all about [Re: mm.]
    #422173 - 10/11/01 06:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I read about this too. It's part of our civil liberties that we are agreeing to give up in the name of protecting our freedom. Looks more like sacrificing it to me. We become more like that Taliban in order to thwart terrorism. Uh, yeah. I'm most interested in the "identifications system" for every member of the United States. Wonder what the F that could be.

Hey, I drew a really good Bush characature. How do I post it here?

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