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OfflineBlueDogAnchorite
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How long do you have to be careful with foods after taking Syrian rue?
    #4218663 - 05/25/05 04:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I can't find the information at errowid. Does anyone that takes MAOI antidepressants know please?


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Re: How long do you have to be careful with foods after taking Syrian rue? [Re: BlueDogAnchorite]
    #4219106 - 05/25/05 06:06 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

well, i had a beer 12 hours after my fungi and sryian rue adventure, and i got a real bad headache and flushing red of the face. i would wait maybe 18-24 hours? im sure it varies from person to person due to body chemistry.


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Re: How long do you have to be careful with foods after taking Syrian rue? [Re: jben]
    #4223020 - 05/26/05 04:40 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yah, stay away from meat, like saugage is horrible for you.
I think most animal related fat products are bad as well, so like cheese its for example and every other american snack food would almost be unacceptable.

Even some fruits have a reaction. Someone will post a medical list hopefully. I recommend not eating anything at all. I don't even see how people take these drugs everyday having to limit 60% of the foods you can eat. Welcome to instantly needing to become Vegan or some other form of less variety edible types of food.


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Re: How long do you have to be careful with foods after taking Syrian rue? [Re: BlueDogAnchorite]
    #4223475 - 05/26/05 06:57 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Watching your diet when you're on harmala is generally a good thing, although I don't feel that it is necessary to apply any dietary restrictions on reversible MAO-A inhibitors like the harmalas. The body generally (and MAO-B specifically!) can work that out just fine. Stay away from stimulants though.


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Re: How long do you have to be careful with foods after taking Syrian rue? [Re: Young_but_cool]
    #4224062 - 05/26/05 09:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

why cant you eat ? what would happen


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Re: How long do you have to be careful with foods after taking Syrian rue? [Re: xburn]
    #4224196 - 05/26/05 10:17 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Foods to Avoid

This list consists of foods with sufficient tyramine (in small or usual serving sizes) to create a dangerous elevation in blood pressure and which therefore should be avoided (McCabe, 1986).

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Alcoholic beverages - avoid Chianti wine and vermouth. Consumption of red, white, and port wine in quantities less than 120 mL present little risk (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986). Beer and ale should also be avoided (McCabe, 1986), however other investigators feel major domestic (US) brands of beer is safe in small quantities (1/2 cup or less than 120 mL) (Anon, 1989; Da Prada, 1988), but imported beer should not be consumed unless a specific brand is known to be safe. Whiskey and liqueurs such as Drambuie(R) and Chartreuse(R) have caused reactions. Nonalcoholic beverages (alcohol- free beer and wines) may contain tyramine and should be avoided (Anon, 1989; Stockley, 1993).
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Banana peels - a single case report implicates a banana as the causative agent, which involved the consumption of whole stewed green banana, including the peel. Ripe banana pulp contains 7 mcg/gram of tyramine compared to a peel which contains 65 mcg/gram and 700 mcg of tyramine and dopamine, respectively (McCabe, 1986).
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Bean curd - fermented bean curd, fermented soya bean, soya bean pastes contain a significant amount of tyramine (Anon, 1989).
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Broad (fava) bean pods - these beans contain dopa, not tyramine, which is metabolized to dopamine and may cause a pressor reaction and therefore should not be eaten particularly if overripe (McCabe, 1986; Anon, 1989; Brown & Bryant, 1988).
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Cheese - tyramine content cannot be predicted based on appearance, flavor, or variety and therefore should be avoided. Cream cheese and cottage cheese have no detectable level of tyramine (McCabe, 1986; Anon, 1989, Brown & Bryant, 1988).
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Fish - fresh fish (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986) and vacuum- packed pickled fish or caviar contain only small amounts of tyramine and are safe if consumed promptly or refrigerated for short periods; longer storage may be dangerous (Anon, 1989). Smoked, fermented, pickled (Herring) and otherwise aged fish, meat, or any spoiled food may contain high levels of tyramine and should be avoided (Anon, 1989; Brown & Bryant, 1988).
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Ginseng - some preparations have resulted in a headache, tremulousness, and manic-like symptoms (Anon, 1989).
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Protein extracts - three brands of meat extract contained 95, 206, and 304 mcg/gram of tyramine and therefore meat extracts should be avoided (McCabe, 1986). Avoid liquid and powdered protein dietary supplements (Anon, 1989).
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Meat, nonfresh or liver - no detectable levels identified in fresh chicken livers; high tyramine content found in spoiled or unfresh livers (McCabe, 1986). Fresh meat is safe, caution suggested in restaurants (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988).
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Sausage, bologna, pepperoni and salami contain large amounts of tyramine (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986). No detectable tyramine levels were identified in country cured ham (McCabe, 1986).
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Sauerkraut - tyramine content has varied from 20 to 95 mcg/gram and should be avoided (McCabe, 1986).
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Shrimp paste - contain a large amount of tyramine (Anon, 1989).
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Soups - should be avoided as protein extracts may be present; miso soup is prepared from fermented bean curd and contain tyramine in large amounts and should not be consumed (Anon, 1989).
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Yeast, Brewer's or extracts - yeast extracts (Marmite) which are spread on bread or mixed with water, Brewer's yeast, or yeast vitamin supplements should not be consumed. Yeast used in baking is safe (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986).


Foods to Use with Caution

This list categorizes foods that have been reported to cause a hypertensive crisis if foods were consumed in large quantities or stored for prolonged periods, or if contamination occurred. Small servings (1/2 cup, or less than 120 mL) of the following foods are not expected to pose a risk for patients on MAOI therapy (McCabe, 1986).

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Alcoholic beverages - see under foods to avoid.
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Avocados - contain tyramine, particularly overripe (Anon, 1989) but may be used in small amounts if not overripened (McCabe, 1986).
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Caffeine - contains a weak pressor agent, large amounts may cause a reaction (Anon, 1989).
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Chocolate - is safe to ingest for most patients, unless consumed in large amounts (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986).
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Dairy products - Cream, sour cream, cottage cheese, cream cheese, yogurt, or milk should pose little risk unless prolonged storage or lack of sanitation standards exists (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986). Products should not be used if close to the expiration date (McCabe, 1986).
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Nuts - large quantities of peanuts were implicated in a hypertensive reaction and headache. Coconuts and brazil nuts have also been implicated, however no analysis of the tyramine content was performed (McCabe, 1986).
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Raspberries - contain tyramine and small amounts are expected to be safe (McCabe, 1986).
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Soy sauce - has been reported to contain large amounts of tyramine and reactions have been reported with teriyaki (Anon, 1989), however analysis of soy sauce reveals a tyramine level of 1.76 mcg/mL and fermented meat may have contributed to the previously reported reactions (McCabe, 1986).
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Spinach, New Zealand prickly or hot weather - large amounts have resulted in a reaction (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986).


Foods with Insufficient Evidence for Restriction

More than 200 foods contain tyramine in small quantities and have been implicated in reactions with MAOI therapy. However, the majority of the previous reactions were due to the consumption of spoiled food. Evidence does not support the restriction of the following foods listed if the food is fresh (McCabe, 1986).

* Anchovies
* Beetroot
* Chips with vinegar
* Coca Cola(r)
* Cockles
* Coffee
* Corn, sweet
* Cottage cheese
* Cream cheese
* Cucumbers
* Egg, boiled
* Figs, canned
* Fish, canned
* Junket
* Mushrooms
* Pineapple, fresh
* Raisins
* Salad dressings
* Snails
* Tomato juice
* Wild game
* Worcestershire sauce
* Yeast-leavened brea

also it says that anyfood that is packaged can form the amino acid over time.


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Re: How long do you have to be careful with foods after taking Syrian rue? [Re: xburn]
    #4224652 - 05/27/05 12:40 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

young_but_cool has the idea. here's my favorite link to post in this forum :smile:

http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v06n3/06332ott.html

it's full of info about maoi's. basically it's another look at how dangerous b-carboline are or aren't by Ott.


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Re: How long do you have to be careful with foods after taking Syrian rue? [Re: BlueDogAnchorite]
    #4228831 - 05/28/05 02:15 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I'd like to see a list of foods you can eat when on a tyramine-free MAOI diet.


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Re: How long do you have to be careful with foods after taking Syrian rue? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4229324 - 05/28/05 06:24 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

everything not on that list i posted


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Re: How long do you have to be careful with foods after taking Syrian rue? [Re: xburn]
    #4230095 - 05/28/05 03:12 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

it looks like u listed everything in my house...shit. I have Syrian Rue but it looks like to much work for it to be worth it.


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Re: How long do you have to be careful with foods after taking Syrian rue? [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4287613 - 06/12/05 06:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

the main problem is that anything processed or packaged under any pressure can develop trymine and other amino acids. Just be carful.


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