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Re: daughter is in love with daddy [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4217241 - 05/25/05 02:07 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Sociologist G. Rattray Taylor's table of Matrist and Patrist Societies:
Matrist / Patrist
Permissive towards Sex / Restrictive toward sex
Freedom for women / Limitation of freedom for women
Women have high status / Women have low status
Chastity not valued / Chastity highly valued
Egaltarian / Authoritarian
Progressive / Conservative
No distrust of research / Distrust of research
Spontaneous / Inhibitions
Sex differences minimized / Sex differences maximized
Fear of incest / Fear of homosexuality
Hedonic / Ascetic
Mother Goddess / Father God


Would like to think if you chronologically plotted out an individual's shifts back and forth between these contrasting matrist and patrist values, one could map out which chakra or freudian complex had the greater influence throughout one's life. Could make for some personal revelations.


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Re: daughter is in love with daddy [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4217521 - 05/25/05 05:44 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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I believe that Freud is unparalleled as a spokesman for the Root Center [Muladhara-Svadhistana chakra complex; i.e., the anal-genital complex]. The Oedipal-Electra Complex can be observed throughout the world. Certain tribal cultures forbid boys to look their mothers in the eyes after they have been initiated into manhood (usually through pubescent circumcision).

The movies have been full of these themes, some of which were based on extreme pathological cases of unrepressed Oedipal longings (like the female gangster Ma Barker and her sons depicted in film, that one X-File which had a disclaimer at the beginning - the one with the quad-amputee mother kept under a bed who produced miscreant progeny with her son, a Nathalie Wood film, (the title of which escapes me) in which the physical affection of a beautiful girl to her father is met with reactive physical violence towards her, and my favorite example - Forbidden Planet in which actor Walter Pidgeon experiencing jealousy over his daughter played by Ann Francis' attraction to the male crew of a visiting spacecraft creates 'monsters from the [Freudian] Id,' which tear the crew members to gruesome shreads. The desire can work both ways, but healthy daddies repress it entirely. Pidgeon, using an alien [Krell] mind-enhancing device did not expect the bestial Id to be enhanced as well, and as it turns out, this is what destroyed the super-brilliant Krell race).

For heterosexual women, there is the additional dynamic of "the penis-breast equation," in which oral-genital longings are transferred from the more-or-less conical shape of the breast to the glans penis. Mothers and Fathers may well be the first possessors of these important organs that we ever see, coupled with the natural (if healthy) bonding with these people.

I have several early childhood memories that illuminate these dynamics. One instance was when I was about 3, before my brother was born. I was playing soldier and my Mother began singing this little song: 'Soldier, soldier, will you marry me...with your rifle, fife and drum?...' I remember feeling uncomfortable with those lyrics because they immediately evoked feelings of threat and guilt since Mom was already married to Dad! I also remember that at that age, I still used to crawl into my Mother's bed and cuddle against her practically naked body under the covers. Although there was no genital stimulation at that age that I can recall, there was the possessive element, as well as the secretive-seeming 'infidelity' that this act entailed since I used to do this after Dad had left for work.

My Mother was emotionally enmeshed with me when I was older, and I had to do different things to cut the cords (e.g., not phoning home during camping  trips to the national parks, becoming a strict vegan since cooking was one of Mom's major leverages to get me home from college on weekends. My Mother was completely ignorant of Freud's theories, as I discovered in conversation shortly before she died, but basic description of Oedipal stuff literally opened her eyes!

Sorry, but despite Freud's cocaine inflation and misogynistic leanings, he described some very Root Center (and this Tibetan Buddhist term is completely appropo: visions of copulating couples in the Bardo draw one into a womb - the "primal trauma" - seeing one's parent's 'do it.') phenomenon very accurately in my opinion.




Ditto :thumbup:
Excellent ! And i loved the way you connect Freud with some Buddhist teachings.

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