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Offlineselar_doir
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quick fix tip for slow or dried out jars
    #4215306 - 05/24/05 07:13 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

simply put, if your jars look dried out or are going a little slow because they're losing moisture - stick them in your perlite fruiting chamber for a few days with the lids down and holes untaped.

here's why...

my jars took off pretty well and coasted for about a week or so, but have been really slow for the last week. As in, stuck at about 33-45% colonized. when I found one of them contaminated, I emptied the jar into the trash and let the empty jar soak in water to loosen up whatever was left. When I checked that jar the next day, there was tons of myco growth wherever there was a spec of myc on the glass.

aha!

I figured out that my jars were way too dry - even though I saw water beads on the inside glass. so I stuck them (lids down) in my fruiting chamber (in the jar still) to let them soak up some of the humidity. sure enough, they've shot off again and most of them are at 75% or more colonization now. A few show a spec or two of green, but the myc has pretty much surrounded and eaten it. I'll probably cut and cauterize those spots when I go to fruit in a few days.

basically - make sure your jars don't dry out, and keep them around 83-84f and they'll love you. To make sure you don't contam your fruiting chamber, make sure you use some h202 with the water that you moisten the perlite (or whatever else) with. For heating, I use an aquarium heater sealed in a plastic bottle, and it keeps the whole thing at about 83.5f with no regulator at all.


Edited by selar_doir (05/24/05 07:15 PM)


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Re: quick fix tip for slow or dried out jars [Re: selar_doir]
    #4215387 - 05/24/05 07:30 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

also, it keeps you from having to futz with injecting sterile water or restarting with a fresh batch.


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Re: quick fix tip for slow or dried out jars [Re: selar_doir]
    #4215540 - 05/24/05 08:01 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

sounds good


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Re: quick fix tip for slow or dried out jars [Re: 5meopsyco]
    #4215555 - 05/24/05 08:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

yup, the RH in my TiT is always really low (40-50%) compared to the rest of my house (usually no lower than 60%)
ive been adding some H2O2 to my TiT and bring the RH up when i think the jars are drying


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Re: quick fix tip for slow or dried out jars [Re: Mych]
    #4215601 - 05/24/05 08:13 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Sounds cool.


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Re: quick fix tip for slow or dried out jars [Re: selar_doir]
    #4215636 - 05/24/05 08:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

If the moisture content of your wbs/grain jars is adiquate to start? It is best to incubate them in an envioment of around 80% rh.

The reason for doing so, is to have near equal rh inside & outside the jars. That way, jar content tends to retain moisture, rather than equalize to the outside rh. Which in most rooms, is far to low. Consiquentlty, jars tend to dry out, or stall for lack of moisture.


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Re: quick fix tip for slow or dried out jars [Re: selar_doir]
    #4215754 - 05/24/05 08:41 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

can you spray the h2o2 right on the cakes (well not directly on, but in a mist, you know)


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Re: quick fix tip for slow or dried out jars [Re: divinityinfinity]
    #4215924 - 05/24/05 09:25 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

you can fix this problem before it happens.
humidity acts the same as heat.
OK, this is basic physics.
the grater the difference of (temp or humidity), the faster the rate of (temp or humidity), exchange.
so if the air in the incubator is low RH, the substrate will dry out faster .


Edited by deanofmean (05/25/05 04:21 AM)


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Re: quick fix tip for slow or dried out jars [Re: deanofmean]
    #4215955 - 05/24/05 09:35 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Never had tht prob.

If you follow all techiniques and keep water content right ect ect...then you should be fine

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Re: quick fix tip for slow or dried out jars [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4216991 - 05/25/05 02:24 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I agree; it shouldn't have been a problem to begin with (and it wasn't originally)... but it's been hella dry around here as of late and heaters never help that.


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Re: quick fix tip for slow or dried out jars [Re: selar_doir]
    #4217330 - 05/25/05 05:07 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

let me try to illustrate the dilemma.
say for example, we are incubating fungus in a 20 Gal. tub.
if we have only 6 or 12, 1/2 pint jars in it, and RH of the air is only 30%, the surrounding air is gonna suck humidity from the jars until that 20 Gal. of total space has equalized RH.
now, if someone is good at crunching numbers, maybe he or she can tell us how mush humidity is lost from our substrate?


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Re: quick fix tip for slow or dried out jars [Re: deanofmean]
    #4217496 - 05/25/05 07:25 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

read the how lord incubates tek in my sig


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Re: quick fix tip for slow or dried out jars [Re: deanofmean]
    #4217528 - 05/25/05 07:47 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

deanofmean said:
let me try to illustrate the dilemma.
say for example, we are incubating fungus in a 20 Gal. tub.
if we have only 6 or 12, 1/2 pint jars in it, and RH of the air is  only 30%, the surrounding air is gonna suck humidity from the jars until that 20 Gal. of total space has equalized RH.
now, if someone is good at crunching numbers, maybe he or she can tell us how mush humidity is lost from our substrate?




quoting myself seems kinda funny :laugh:
i decided to make a contest from this post. :smile: Math Quiz in the market fourm.


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