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OfflineOldWoodSpecter
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Re: Providing for children [Re: newuser1492]
    #4204023 - 05/21/05 03:46 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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cb9fl said:
giving pleasure to children can get them attached to you, have a crush on you, and wish a relationship and real sex.

Do you think that's societal or insate? Why would a child automatically associate sexual gradification with emotional attachment?




because humans like to bond emotional bond with sexual pleasure..
not to mention that an emotional bond between a child and a parent is already there.

try go around having sex with people in a caring and loving way, and a lot of them will want to stay with you

people go where they feel good and warm


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Re: Providing for children [Re: Doom]
    #4205099 - 05/21/05 10:41 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"my judgment would be expressed by, firstly, beating you with a pipe in a dark alley"

Are you not aware that using violence to defend the rights of the weak is uncouth....this point has been made clear to me recently. I now know that we should be polite and mind our own business while innocents are run through hell.


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Re: Providing for children [Re: newuser1492]
    #4205117 - 05/21/05 10:48 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Taking away all social stigmas and such, your question can mainly be simplified to, "Why isn't there incest?" Sucking off your son isn't exactly incest if you consider only intercourse to be sex, but it definitely leads to it.

What you have to realize is that in human nature, becoming aroused by kissing and hugging, giving oral sex, all these are just preliminary ways of pleasuring people that will eventually lead to sex. So if became aroused by making out with your mother, even if you didn't fuck her, following your animal instincts you'd want to.

And the reason why we don't have incest is because it's bad for our genetics. You don't want a shallow gene pool and brother/ sister or father/ daughter love because, in short, it's not good for the genetics of our species. The families who reproduced solely by incest would probably have major dysfunctions after a few generations and then die out, leaving those who weren't inclined to incest, which is the majority of the current human population.

Good question though, I like the way you think.


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Re: Providing for children [Re: Doom]
    #4205665 - 05/22/05 01:17 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Doom said:
yes, others would judge, myself included, and if you were my neighbor, my judgment would be expressed by, firstly, beating you with a pipe in a dark alley, and secondly, having you imprisoned by the state.

Possibly a hateful, animalistic reaction on my part, but you know...go with the flow and be one with the dao...etc.




Agreed.

It's morally fucked up and rather disgusting that you would even think about such a thing.


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Re: Providing for children [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #4205936 - 05/22/05 06:30 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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mattzdope said:
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Doom said:
yes, others would judge, myself included, and if you were my neighbor, my judgment would be expressed by, firstly, beating you with a pipe in a dark alley, and secondly, having you imprisoned by the state.

Possibly a hateful, animalistic reaction on my part, but you know...go with the flow and be one with the dao...etc.




Agreed.

It's morally fucked up and rather disgusting that you would even think about such a thing.




Is it really immoral? It is a custom that we follow and I'm all for folowing that tradition, but what makes it immoral?
Abusing sexuality for peronal pleasure? Don't we do it everytime we masturbate or have sex with someone without the intention of making children (and that's like 99% of all sex in our life)


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Re: Providing for children [Re: Ravus]
    #4206016 - 05/22/05 08:10 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Ravus said:
Taking away all social stigmas and such, your question can mainly be simplified to, "Why isn't there incest?" Sucking off your son isn't exactly incest if you consider only intercourse to be sex, but it definitely leads to it.

What you have to realize is that in human nature, becoming aroused by kissing and hugging, giving oral sex, all these are just preliminary ways of pleasuring people that will eventually lead to sex. So if became aroused by making out with your mother, even if you didn't fuck her, following your animal instincts you'd want to.

And the reason why we don't have incest is because it's bad for our genetics. You don't want a shallow gene pool and brother/ sister or father/ daughter love because, in short, it's not good for the genetics of our species. The families who reproduced solely by incest would probably have major dysfunctions after a few generations and then die out, leaving those who weren't inclined to incest, which is the majority of the current human population.

Good question though, I like the way you think.




Very good ravis!

Just another thought or two. When young children first become sexual with themselves there is a hormone change stemming from those actions. The child know just how much stimulation feels right. For anyone else to stimulate a child at that time likely they would provide the wrong amount of stimulation and base it on there own feelings. This could cause premature hormonal changes and advance puberty befor the child was ready. Acutally this came from my parther who studied early child development. Also role confusion; who is mommy, daddy , who is child? 

Now from a social standpoint. If it every became known. Family services would be notified. Your child could be removed and into Foster care.

I agree with Ravis, It is much better to ask questions out in the open then to be uncertain about what is the best action to take. Some people are never taught about sex. These are good questions to ask. I just assumed it would be wrong. Your question made be think about the reasons I believe that and I got some even better reasons from the folks who shared here. :thumbup:


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Re: Providing for children [Re: Ravus]
    #4206359 - 05/22/05 11:15 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Also role confusion; who is mommy, daddy , who is child?

One of my main questions is why does such a simple act as stimulation to climax attach such powerful feelings for some people? There's not problem with a parent rubbing a child's back or tickling them until they cry and yet another simple physical function is taboo. What makes sexual contact so different?

Also as a hypothetical how would you (any of you) react if you found your child performing self gratification? What would you do if you were rubbing their belly and they in subtle ways attempted to get you to go lower? What would be your reaction?

Now from a social standpoint. If it every became known. Family services would be notified. Your child could be removed and into Foster care.

That's the one area I feel is simply a product of societal norms and not always based on objective reasoning.


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Re: Providing for children [Re: newuser1492]
    #4207225 - 05/22/05 04:16 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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cb9fl said:
Also role confusion; who is mommy, daddy , who is child?

One of my main questions is why does such a simple act as stimulation to climax attach such powerful feelings for some people? There's not problem with a parent rubbing a child's back or tickling them until they cry and yet another simple physical function is taboo. What makes sexual contact so different?

Also as a hypothetical how would you (any of you) react if you found your child performing self gratification? What would you do if you were rubbing their belly and they in subtle ways attempted to get you to go lower? What would be your reaction?

Now from a social standpoint. If it every became known. Family services would be notified. Your child could be removed and into Foster care.

That's the one area I feel is simply a product of societal norms and not always based on objective reasoning.




As to the first question of why is sex is such a hot topic. I think sex is a powerfull force. Maybe you could say the force of creation and personal power. I won't attempt to answer that in this thread. But power provokes all the emotions including fear. Just for starters. In children it needs to proceed at its own pace as I mentioned.

I have seen many times our young children in self gratification. That is a natural process. All we tell them is that it is ok, but they need to find their own private place in their room for it. It is not to be practiced in front of others. We don't want them to associate sex and evil or guilt. :mushroom2:

As to the second question. I agree about social norms. I just included it so everyone who doesn't already know, would become aware there are serious conquences to breaking social taboos. :mushroom2:


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Re: Providing for children [Re: Icelander]
    #4211778 - 05/23/05 08:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"One of my main questions is why does such a simple act as stimulation to climax attach such powerful feelings for some people?"

Cuz dude, that's how we are wired.

As humans we require physical and sexual stimulation for healthy developement. But if sexuality is introduced into a childs reality before (or even in the beginning of) puberty it can seriously fuck them up.

People who are introduced to sex at such a young age often learn to relate to the world through sex alone. This can lead to sexual promiscuity, intimacy complexes, and confusion of sexual identity. They will find it hard to maintain a healthy romantic relationship.

Basically, just because sex feels immensly good, this doesn't mean that it is JUST that. Sex and sexual/romantic feelings are programmed into us for one reason only; reproduction. Every stage of development in a human is meant to direct it to a point of being able to be a functioning member of society and produce offspring that will be also. It has been proven time and time again that an over-sexualized child will have a rough time reaching this goal.

The pedophilia taboo is there for a reason, and bringing a child to climax has many more consequences than just bringing them pleasure for a few seconds.


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