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WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good
    #4211685 - 05/23/05 10:02 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

WHy might u say? well i just went to mix up a batch of jars and take a look at the consistancy of brf mixture


vs. the rye flour mixture


the thing that happens is the rye flour makes for a consistancy of an already colonized cake, with no air passage even with the vermiculite.

the brown rice flour coats the vermicutlite and thus yields an airy consistancy.

the point is the rye flour will create a mudd like substrate and ure jars will never colonize. the brown rice flour alows airy passage ways for mycelium to travel through


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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4211731 - 05/23/05 10:16 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the heads up Lordoftheshrooms. Good experimentation is the key to better teqs and better long run yeilds. :smile: bluhoney


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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: bluhoney]
    #4211739 - 05/23/05 10:20 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

does it have anything to do with water content you used in the rye flour/verm cakes vs. water used in brf cakes?


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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: bluhoney]
    #4211740 - 05/23/05 10:20 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

thanx blu honey i was hoping somebody would notice my post lol i guess i jus posted at the wrong time


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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4211746 - 05/23/05 10:22 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

idk backupwards btu i was told u can substitue rye flour for the pf tek and i intended to do an experiminet between he yeilds from brf and rf and see whihc yielded more but the rye mixture came out like crap so it looks like im doing 12 pf jars  :smirk:, so my point u at least have to changet he water but idk if even that will work


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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4211752 - 05/23/05 10:25 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

i guess all you can do is give it a shot. it would seem to me if it is mudding up per se, try adding a little less water in the next batch. good luck lord, let us know how it goes.
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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: backupwards]
    #4211763 - 05/23/05 10:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

thanks for the good luck but i totally trasshed the experiment cuz of the muddy consistancy on the rye flour mixture


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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4211770 - 05/23/05 10:33 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

try, try again. can't give up on possibly a good thing, can you? correct me if i am wrong, rye has a good deal more nutes than brf, so would it be safe to say the same as rye flour?


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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4211772 - 05/23/05 10:33 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

You messed up somewhere. My friend has used rye flour PLENTY of times and has never had that problem. As long as you don't oversaturate the vermiculite there is no problem.


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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: Letto]
    #4211837 - 05/23/05 10:46 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

i must have over saturated the mixture but all im saying is that u cant substitute rye flour for the pf tek there is a seperate tek for rye flour cakes( with different water contents)


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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4211861 - 05/23/05 10:51 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

gotcha lord. :thumbup:
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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: backupwards]
    #4211885 - 05/23/05 10:53 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I used rye flour and mine came out fine. Half my jars had rye flour and the other half has brf and the consistancy of the substance looked identical to each other.

I used Bob's Mill DRF and BRF and used the same amount of water for both things. 5 cups of vermiculite 2 1/2 cups of water 2 1/2 cups of DRF/BRF.

I don't know, I'm not doubting you but I got 15 BRF and 15 DRF jars in my incubator right now... so it'll be interesting to see what happens.

But my DRF mix didn't look like that.

What was your formula for your substrate with both brf and drf? What kind of DRF were you using?


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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4216355 - 05/24/05 11:23 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

The water content only depends on your vermiculite. It has nothing to do with which flour you use. Or are you using premeasured amounts of water that you took from some tek?

Just put your verm in a bowl, saturate it to capacity and add your flour. It's extremely simple. 2 parts verm to 1 part flour.


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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4216403 - 05/24/05 11:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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i must have over saturated the mixture but all im saying is that u cant substitute rye flour for the pf tek there is a seperate tek for rye flour cakes( with different water contents)




The PF Tek can have varied amounts of water. One way to do the PF Tek doesnt involve measuring the water, thats the way I usually see it even. Add water to the verm to soak it, then add the flour.


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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4216436 - 05/24/05 11:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

It works.

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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4216912 - 05/25/05 02:06 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I've done rye flour, wbs flour, and the brf with all the same water ratios. They all are the same. This was done with wbs flour. The key is to mix the vermiculite and flour before adding water. Use a wisk too. The ratios are the max fruiting formula from PF.


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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4217000 - 05/25/05 02:26 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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The key is to mix the vermiculite and flour before adding water




When you mix them dry Most of the rice falls to the bottom.

Doesn't matter how you mix, just how well.

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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4217751 - 05/25/05 10:40 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

True, true. It does help though. An egg-beater wisk is awesome for mixing floured substrates well.


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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4217808 - 05/25/05 11:03 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

my whole pont was that u cant substitute with the pf tek water to verm to flour ratios with rye flour... i didnt say u cant grow shrooms off of rye flour.... u have to adjust the water content and i like scatman's way of mixing the water with the verm first the adding the floor, that should make for a better coating of flour around the verm chunks rather than jus making mud balls of flour and soaked verm


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Re: WARNING: rye flour for pf tek = no good [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4217813 - 05/25/05 11:05 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I think you used way too much flour. I'm sure it would work if you played around with the ingridents.

brown rice flour and rye flour sounds like a good idea.

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