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InvisibleSoopaX
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This site is the fucking shit...
    #4211424 - 05/23/05 08:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

www.nutritiondata.com

Put in any food type and get a COMPLETE scientific analysis of the material.

Interesting things...

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-001-02s04ei.html
Rice, brown, long-grain, raw
tryptophan 187mg/185g (1 cup)

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-001-02s04f3.html
Rye
Tryptophan 260mg/169g (1 cup)

Rye has more tryptophan than brown rice. Interesting stuff like that.


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: SoopaX]
    #4214015 - 05/24/05 02:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Ooh, nice find :thumbup:


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: SoopaX]
    #4214033 - 05/24/05 02:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

tryptophan is 238 on potato flour


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: Psychoslut]
    #4214795 - 05/24/05 05:31 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

dried egg whites...999mg tryptophan

cool site, thanks


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: deathbychimney]
    #4214984 - 05/24/05 06:11 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Dried egg whites, interesting.


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: SoopaX]
    #4216131 - 05/24/05 10:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Someone should try a dried egg whites grow!


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: HidingInPlainSight]
    #4216171 - 05/24/05 10:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, and maybe something like sesame flour would be a good BRF substitute?


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: deathbychimney]
    #4216510 - 05/24/05 11:57 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

good find. so everyone is saying that the more tryptophan in a substrate, the more psilo that will be produced? so tryptophan is the main chemical to look for?


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: yousuck]
    #4216563 - 05/25/05 12:13 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Mushrooms can convert trytophan to 4-HO-DMT..


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: Kalix]
    #4216633 - 05/25/05 12:34 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

yes, but are their limits to how much they can process? do they need high amounts of other chemicals to aid this process?


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: yousuck]
    #4216694 - 05/25/05 12:56 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Egg, white, dried, powder, glucose reduced - Tryptophan 1355mg
For 1 cup thats a lot. Maybe mix it in with my poo/straw when I spawn it? Tryptophan doesn't have a prob with being at 170f does it?


I wouldn't try this because of obvious contam issues, but game meat has 1853mg of tryptophan.


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: SoopaX]
    #4216913 - 05/25/05 02:06 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

not to rain on you guys' parade, but only materials that mycelium has enzymes for are useful.  The tryptophan isn't floating around free.  It is part of proteins that are integral in whatever foods we are talking about.  While it is possible that mycelium may be able to break down egg whites, I would warn that it is much more likely to not have the enzymes to accomplish that.  This is like the same issue as to why we can't eat straw or wood.  We lack the enzymes.  If mycelium had a reason to have enzymes that break down egg whites then it probably could.  That said, there really isn't a good way toi find out without trying it.  Ofcourse, egg whites are a pretty expensive substrate compared with grain which is <$0.40 per pound.  Not to mention it is more likely to contam and it won't colonize very quickly.  Still, I think that these are really cool ideas and I would love to see some well done experiments on this.  Happy shrooming everybody :smile:


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: dumbsnake34]
    #4217053 - 05/25/05 02:52 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

yeah i don't really have a strong grasp on it but my quick search told me that it probably wouldn't be a very successful endeavor to just load up on tryptophan

but someone should try it anyway :wink:


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: deathbychimney]
    #4217067 - 05/25/05 03:03 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I would think that if dried egg white was sprinkled into say straw, especially in an outdoor grow, that the natural decomposition process would free up a lotta tryptophan...


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: Kalix]
    #4217140 - 05/25/05 03:29 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Well i was gonna place about a cup in my poo/straw before pasteurization, and just see how it works. Why not try?


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so yeah:
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Best story ever!

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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: pinkfloydms]
    #4217142 - 05/25/05 03:30 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

go for it, and let us know how it works!


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: dumbsnake34]
    #4217324 - 05/25/05 05:01 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Even if it would contain free tryptophan (it, as you write, doesn't), I have yet to see any experiments that shows that a higher level of tryptophan in the substrate yields more alkaloids. In fact, I know of two experiments indicating that such a thing does not happen.


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: Pinback]
    #4218184 - 05/25/05 01:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

perhaps everyone should be researching "super grains" instead of tryptophan content.


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: Pinback]
    #4218318 - 05/25/05 01:58 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Even if it would contain free tryptophan (it, as you write, doesn't), I have yet to see any experiments that shows that a higher level of tryptophan in the substrate yields more alkaloids. In fact, I know of two experiments indicating that such a thing does not happen.




I tend to agree with your line of thinking but I recall that the few texts I have read on the subject involved the introduction of a synthetic tryptophan supplement. I also tend to agree with dumbsnake's assertion that the tryptophan would be a more integral and organic part of egg whites.

I have not seen any papers that assay the tryptophan content of the substrate post-fruiting. I would bet that the tryptophan occuring naturally in grains like brown rice and rye is utilised in the production of actives and would be measurably depleted post-fruiting.

dumbsnake raised a good point concerning current mycelia being enzymatically incapable of utilising egg whites. i was thinking it might be possible to supplement all substrates (agar-grain-straw) with egg whites. Take a clone from the resulting fruits, rinse and repeat and systematically increase the ratio of the supplement for each generation. At each generation a multispore "restart" should be performed using the same strategy. It would be laborious but I would expect a strain to selectively emerge that would utilise egg whites in favor of grains. Although, I would expect grains to remain an imperative constituent to the substrate if not only for structure.


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Re: This site is the fucking shit... [Re: debianlinux]
    #4221776 - 05/26/05 11:18 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

It would make sense though that mushrooms growing on tryptophan-rich grain would be able to use that for their potency. I looked up barley and it's 383mg tryptophan, and oats is 365mg. Maybe a combo of rye/oats/barley would enhance potency. I have grown cubes on rye and they were pretty potent.


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