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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: Silversoul]
    #4211367 - 05/23/05 06:31 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Paradigm said:
Whatever people's reaction to it, they need to see the realities of war.




Don't see Iraq in this post. And I agree. You want reality? Take all of it. You don't get to choose your reality.


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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4211399 - 05/23/05 06:39 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

First sentence.

Quote:

Iraq war coverage blurs U.S. casualties



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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4211412 - 05/23/05 06:44 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Um, well, cuz, you know; the reason we spent $400,000,000,000 and Saddam and The Patriotic Acts I, II and II and all - you know... freedom, democracy, and fueling the religious divide.


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OfflineProsgeopax
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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4211726 - 05/23/05 08:14 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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zappaisgod said:
War is war.



"I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace."
?George W. Bush, June 18, 2002

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I personally think that we are at war with Islamic nut cases and those who harbor them.



Hmm, is that why 'we' attacked the most secular regime in the region?

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After all, you were only 10 years old then.



Really? In what year was I born? While your at it, how old are my parents, how old are my dogs, and how many fingers am I holding up?

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I never forget.



That's good because I seem to have misplaced my facts, perhaps you would like to refresh my memory and reply to the following:
1) How many ICBMs did Iraq have?
2) What was the range of their ICBMS?
3) What type of payloads were these missiles capable of delivering to the U.S.?
4) Please briefly describe the types of nuclear weapons that Iraq possessed.
5) Please describe the long range bombers Iraq had that were capable of reaching the U.S.
6) Please provide a summary of Iraq's naval capabilities including submarines, aircraft carriers and landing craft capable of reaching the U.S.
7) Was Iraq contained? (this is a simple one, yes or no)
8) Please explain the benefits to the U.S. TAXPAYERS of the expenditures of Bush's war in Iraq.
9) Please explain the benefits of burdening future generations with debt.
10) Please provide evidence that Iraq was responsible for terrorist attacks on U.S. soil.
11) Please provide evidence that those U.S. soldiers who have died in Iraq did so thwarting aggression against U.S. citizens at home.

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zappaisgod said:
You want reality? Take all of it. You don't get to choose your reality.




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OfflineStrandedVoyager
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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4211973 - 05/23/05 09:05 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

There's a war on? I was too busy following American Idol. :rolleyes:


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OfflineLearyfanS
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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4212248 - 05/23/05 09:58 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe we should ask for more photos of the Kuwait devastation to enhance your memories.




I love how you guys always use that. As if you really care about the Kuwaiti people. No offense, but I know that if tomorrow Bush said he was going to nuke the whole middle east, you guys would be all for it.






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InvisibleSoopaX
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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: Learyfan]
    #4212729 - 05/24/05 12:03 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

newsweek could do a cover of the 19 dead in Afghanistan after their bullshit story ran.... lots of good gory pictures. Somehow, I don't think we'll see that.


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OfflinePhotoguy
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Registered: 02/24/05
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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: SoopaX]
    #4216026 - 05/24/05 07:53 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

You know what makes me pull my fucking hair out?

THE FACT I AM NOT FUCKING OVER THERE RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

Every fucking newspaper in the country has slashed there staff 15-40% in the past two years. I can not tell you how many times I have interviewed and been denied because I dont have my college degree yet.

ARGH! I want to be over there right now. RIGHT NOW. I would take photos like the world has not seen before.

I can string all I want, but you have to be on staff 6+ years to get an oversea's deployment. ARGH!

My friend David Leeson.

http://www.pulitzer.org/year/2004/breaking-news-photography/works/

I would give my life to get that one shot, ya know the one that changes politics.


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InvisibleRandalFlagg
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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: Photoguy]
    #4217547 - 05/25/05 06:06 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

You could go over there as a free-lance person.

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OfflinePhotoguy
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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4219284 - 05/25/05 04:47 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

$19,521.00

That is how much it would cost for me to be over there for 3 weeks.

This includes air fair, lodging, security, guide, as well as 5.000 for emergency funds IE bribes and such.

BUT--I will have no military liaison, and with out that, im pretty much shit out of luck. To get into or out of any areas you must have military permission. And as a freelancer with no finical backing, i can't get that yet.

So I will keep trying to get on with an agency and then go shoot.


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B, Z, F, Burma, Cambodian, Golden Teacher, Puerto Rico, South American, Costa Rica, African

My name is Ender Wiggen and I will own you soon. Bean is my second in command, he is PC'ing jars right now.

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InvisibleLe_Canard
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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4219641 - 05/25/05 06:24 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know. Regardless of how you feel about the Iraq mess and war in general, I think those closest to the dead soldiers should have the most consideration in this sort of thing. I mean, how would you feel about seeing a picture your father/mother, sister/brother etc. mortally wounded?

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OfflinePhotoguy
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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: Le_Canard]
    #4222293 - 05/26/05 11:43 AM (19 years, 1 month ago)

In general, i believe those parents/brothers/sisters want the pictures shown. They want the world to see the cost, see whats actually going on.

I have to do research on this kind of thing for different projects, and actually talk to people who have lost loved ones. I would say 90% say to publish photos even if a loved one is in the photograph.

I believe that this has to do with the whole healing process. They want the world to see the nightmares of war, maybe so it will change the views.

I would go further to say almost 100% of minorities in the army want photographs published. With the majority of the army composed of minorities, they feel both patriotic and honor bound to show the dead. They want this to be a reminder of their sacrifice.

You would not believe what journalists have to go through now, with ethics and morality training. We are battling an politically correct machine right now and losing the battle. More and more stories and pictures are sanitized from fear of political and finical threats.

Few media intuitions in the united states still publish with no thought to political reprisal. Less than 6-10 that I can think of, and none of those are major papers or magazines anyways.


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B, Z, F, Burma, Cambodian, Golden Teacher, Puerto Rico, South American, Costa Rica, African

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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: Photoguy]
    #4222783 - 05/26/05 01:48 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

The majority of the US army is composed of minorities? Source, please.

"Political reprisal"? Such as? Please point out to us the last time a newspaper, radio station, or newsmagazine in the US was closed down by the US government. All the MSM in the US are relentlessly anti-Bush and print whatever they damn well please.


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InvisibletrendalM
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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: Phred]
    #4222811 - 05/26/05 01:56 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

All the MSM in the US are relentlessly anti-Bush

So you don't consider FOX, for example, to be MSM?


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InvisibleRandalFlagg
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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: Photoguy]
    #4222846 - 05/26/05 02:04 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Photoguy said:
With the majority of the army composed of minorities




Where did you get that factoid? It is wrong by the way. Here is the proof:


http://www.racematters.org/whichmansarmy.htm



according to Defense Department Data

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-01-20-army-race-usat-_x.htm


But a close examination of Pentagon statistics suggests that at least some of the conventional wisdom about who is most at risk during wartime is misleading. For example, although blacks account for 26% of Army troops, they make up a much smaller percentage of those in front-line combat units, the most likely to be killed or injured in a conventional war.

Edited by RandalFlagg (05/26/05 02:08 PM)

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OfflinePhred
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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: trendal]
    #4222865 - 05/26/05 02:12 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Fox is a single cable channel. One. Uno.

I was referring to the NY Times, the LA Times, the Boston Globe, the Washington Post, AP, al- Reuters, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, PBS, Time, Newsweek, the Minnesota Star Tribune, Seattle Times (or is it Chronicle?)....



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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: Phred]
    #4222894 - 05/26/05 02:17 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Fox is a single cable channel. One. Uno.

Really?

I was under the impression that FOX also owns a large assortment of "local" stations accross the country.


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InvisibleSoopaX
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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: Photoguy]
    #4222907 - 05/26/05 02:19 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Dude, most poeple don't want their dead kids shown to further your political agenda. Pull your freakin head out.


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OfflineProsgeopax
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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: SoopaX]
    #4222936 - 05/26/05 02:26 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

You're right, it's bad enough they have already died for someone else's political agenda.


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You can accept, reject, or examine and test any new idea that comes to you. The wise man chooses the third way.
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Disclaimer: I reserve the right to change my opinions should I become aware of additional facts, the falsification of information or different perspectives. Articles written by others which I post may not necessarily reflect my opinions in part or in whole, my opinions may be in direct opposition, the topic may be one on which I have yet to formulate an opinion or have doubts about, an article may be posted solely with the intent to stimulate discussion or contemplation.

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InvisibleSoopaX
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Re: Media wants more photos of dead Soldiers. [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4222965 - 05/26/05 02:30 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

Why did, and does always, the military vote for the Republican canditate?


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