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Why is overlaying?
    #4209206 - 05/23/05 08:18 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

HI friends! I have a problem with a tray, I think is overlay but I don't know what causes it... I haven't got this problem never before.
The tray is a 2L. (2 quarts) rye grain  cased with 50/50 Peat/Vermiculite; the strain is peruvian and was allowed to incubate in dark  at 28?C(82F)and 100% RH  for a couple of days since it reached the casing layer, then exposed to fruiting: 24?C (73 F), a bubbler running 15 minutes each hour and indirect sunlight. Instead of fruiting like other times I've done it the same, the micellium growed overlaying the surface and becoming so dense... why had this happened??
A couple of days later, seeing no sign of primordia I tuned the tray upside down, where the micellium was more healthy and there where lots of primordia... now the primordia are developing into shrooms but the micelium is still growing over some of this primordia.

sorry for my english...I hope you understand it  :wink:

Here are some pictures...


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Re: Why is overlaying? [Re: clavariadelphus]
    #4209209 - 05/23/05 08:24 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Why not just run the bubbler 24/7? Poor air exchange can be one of the causes of overlay/ no pins, or you may have good enough exchange and this isn't the case. Anytime i've got a casing overlayed, i just waited until it fully colonized, added a new casing layer, incubate for 2 days, then cold shock for 40 hours and that does the trick.

Cold shock/ temp drop is a superb way to initiate pinning, and although a lot of ppl on here will say it's not necessary, it will sure as hell help you initiate pinning if you otherwise can't get there.


Edited by kronnyQ (05/23/05 11:21 AM)


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Re: Why is overlaying? [Re: clavariadelphus]
    #4209210 - 05/23/05 08:24 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

First signs of overlay


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Re: Why is overlaying? [Re: clavariadelphus]
    #4209223 - 05/23/05 09:16 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Patch/add more casing layer on the myc.


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Re: Why is overlaying? [Re: Mighty Bop]
    #4209427 - 05/23/05 11:14 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Hi, you can save an overlayed casing by deep scratching. Take a sterilized fork and scratch into the casing all over it.
This breaks up the mycelia mat, and fruiting can begin.  The most common types of overlay occur from the temps being to high, and CO2 levels too high. Check both.
CO2 by fanning once or twice a day, and put a cheap thermometer in there and see the temps.
The temperature should be in the 70-78 range.
Another factor is at what temp did you germinate the spores. If you incubated them at say 80, and the temp in your chamber is 78, that's only a two degree change, not enough to signal fruiting. An 8 too 10 degree drop is better. So check the temp of your jars, then reduce that by 10 and that's your fruiting temp. Remember also that inside the jars is a few degrees warmer than out side air. :smile: bluhoney


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Re: Why is overlaying? [Re: bluhoney]
    #4209440 - 05/23/05 11:20 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

i got the same problem with rye and birdseed cased in 50/50 mix on perlite bed


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Re: Why is overlaying? [Re: shineman1941]
    #4209690 - 05/23/05 01:11 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

The tray today


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Re: Why is overlaying? [Re: clavariadelphus]
    #4209720 - 05/23/05 01:20 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Actually you have a good pin set, you probally don't need to do anything right now, just be a little cautious of the water droplets on the casing. If you do not have proper air exchange, those droplets can be breeding grounds for contaminants. :smile:bluhoney


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Re: Why is overlaying? [Re: clavariadelphus]
    #4209727 - 05/23/05 01:25 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, i dont know why someone hasn't said something by now, But your casing is NOT overlayed. Overgrown sure, but overlayed means a layer of dead mycellial cells has formed a mat on the top surface inhibiting pinning. From what your second picture shows you dont really have a problem at this point.

Ways to keep your casing from becoming overgrown

1. Keep humidity levels around the 70-80% mark after the have pinned. Casings create thier own microclimate and dont have a need for 100% humidity after pinset has taken place.

2. Initiate your pinning elements sooner.


After you harvest this flush you can put a thin layer of casing material on your casing.


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