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Star Wars hate propaganda
    #4205966 - 05/22/05 09:22 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Why did George Lucas suddenly get so into all these bright colors in these new ones?  It's like a rave.  The laser shots are all multi color too.  It's like it's for children or something, almost.  No i don't care.  I'm going to make as many star wars threads as I feel there need to be for some people to start to accept that the first two episodes are seem as though they're aimed at younger children.
is there bad acting also or is it just the script?  the script is very wooden and fake sounding but it's also like everyone delivers it really restrained or something. 
also the first one is so racist.  did you see the little smelly winged parts trader in the second one?  ok.  in addition to the classic yiddish beard, and stereotypical big yiddish hooknose, they even gave him one of those rabbi hats in the second one.  all there's all these flies buzzing around him.  it is telling my 12 year old son or daughter there is something unclean about orthodox jewish people.  i don't need a message of hate spread through a happy colorful science fiction film into my children's sensitive minds.

Believe me, I wish that I could just wish away my feelings but I can't.  <-that's bad dialogue there.  whoof

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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4205972 - 05/22/05 09:30 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I like a new hope and empire strikes back..brings out the kid in me..such misterious new worlds, a longing for exploring them etc.

I like Star Wars. It has been a part of me for more than half of my life


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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4205989 - 05/22/05 09:39 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I also feel that episodes I and II were aimed at a younger crowd.

The acting, or the script, made it feel like I was watching Saved by the Bell.

Episodes IV-VI were epic films. They FELT epic. They felt like a "real" story, despite all the outlandish settings and characters. Episodes I and II did not... atleast not to me. :shrug:

Rumor has it that Episode III has Lucas back to his "roots"... so we will see. I'm willing to give him one last shot.


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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4206004 - 05/22/05 09:57 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Ya I'd say it's more geared towards children, that's who buys most of the toys. A new hope didn't really have a target audience besides sci-fi geeks, probably true for empire too, but by return of the jedi the star wars craze was in full swing and they realized how much more cash they could make if they target it to kids. Add a bunch of crazy little characters and you've got a bunch of crazy little action figures. A glaring example is Jar-Jar, obviously designed to be a big hook for kids.


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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: Wysefool]
    #4206023 - 05/22/05 10:18 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed... but atleast Jedi did it with taste, and maintained it's appeal for older audiences WHILE enticing children with little furry moon-dwellers...


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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4206025 - 05/22/05 10:23 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

My friend said to me you know when Lucas released Phantom Menace and Attack of the Mexicans to the public on home media, he chose videocassettes. Why did he only put them on video? DVDs had certainly been around for a long time, even before Episode I. The reason is he wanted people to buy his movies twice cause he knew all the geeks would then just have to buy the DVDs when he released them again on DVDs today. So that fits in with what you say about him doing this driven by the action figure market.


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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4206030 - 05/22/05 10:31 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

why do you think he released them in this order? :P


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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: Gomp]
    #4206034 - 05/22/05 10:34 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Gomp when are you going to be the star of a home video release? Maybe it could be called Best of Gomp vol. I. You pay in installments, cancel at anytime.


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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4206827 - 05/22/05 03:31 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

As if the first three movies weren't aimed at children? Come on dude, just watch the very first one and tell me it wasn't made for kids. Stories about rescuing princesses from the clutches of an evil sorceror aren't exactly adult material.


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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4206872 - 05/22/05 03:50 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Its funny. The #1 complaint I hear about the new movies is "the old ones make me feel like a kid again, but these new ones seem like they were just made for kids and not me". Im thinking this has to do more with your changes in taste over the last 30 years than a real change in the overall feel of the movies.

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the first one is so racist. did you see the little smelly winged parts trader in the second one? ok. in addition to the classic yiddish beard, and stereotypical big yiddish hooknose, they even gave him one of those rabbi hats in the second one. all there's all these flies buzzing around him. it is telling my 12 year old son or daughter there is something unclean about orthodox jewish people. i don't need a message of hate spread through a happy colorful science fiction film into my children's sensitive minds.




Appearantly the American Jewish Committee disagrees with you as they have given Lucas the Corwin Human Relations Award.

Movies are more enjoyable when you watch them without trying to be offended by every little thing that may or may not have been intended to be interpreted that way.


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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: Catalysis]
    #4206878 - 05/22/05 03:52 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

look they gave him the hacidic hat the second time round. come on!


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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4207213 - 05/22/05 06:12 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

"if you don't dig deep in the star wars universe, it seem shallow."
-some crazy star war fanatic. :smile:


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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: Gomp]
    #4207954 - 05/22/05 10:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Gomp, come on, I need some support here.  ok.  look here.


here he is in the first one.  this flying slave trader.  yes, people, scholars even said he had a faintly hacidic accent to his voice.  they said look at his beard, they said look at his big nose. people were saying "it's a racist charicature of an orthodox jewish merchant" and Lucas is all "no no, it's a fantasy, come on people" and the people were like "ok whatever you say George, you seem like a good guy."

ok, fine, it's all good.

fast forward three years
episode II comes out and now Watto also has a haciddic rabbi hat.



ok...  look... GOMP.. you see where I'm getting at.  why does he suddenly get an even more obvious racial stereotype feature added to his already impressive arsenal.  there's something not right going on behind the scenes somewhere.  don't get me started about attack of the clones and all the clones are latin americans and lucas grew up in modesto california, a city under threat from Mexican:wexican: immigration problems, come on GOMP, the people need to understand the message of truth I bring.  George Lucas is a troubled man. 
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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4207983 - 05/22/05 10:30 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

You're kidding.


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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4208083 - 05/22/05 10:59 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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also the first one is so racist.  did you see the little smelly winged parts trader in the second one?  ok.  in addition to the classic yiddish beard, and stereotypical big yiddish hooknose, they even gave him one of those rabbi hats in the second one.  all there's all these flies buzzing around him.  it is telling my 12 year old son or daughter there is something unclean about orthodox jewish people.




:rolleyes:

Your kidding right.

Any "racism" in this movie is a "projection" of some hidden, personal issues. IMO :wink:

I never saw anything remotely "Jewish" if this character.

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i don't need a message of hate spread through a happy colorful science fiction film into my children's sensitive minds.




Sounds like your doing a pretty good job of that yourself.

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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: niteowl]
    #4208106 - 05/22/05 11:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone that's so insane.. that they comb through all the little details of a movie, might be reaching too far for the racism card.  I'm sure racism is potrayed in many movies, but seriously... a movie such as this.. in a time such as this... NOT racist. 

I haven't seen the movie.  Didn't even see the last one... I just think the whole idea is stupid.  Go ahead, tell me I'm stuipid too :wink:

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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: Sammy]
    #4208155 - 05/22/05 11:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I never saw Ep II. Never wanted to. May see Ep III.. maybe not.

Ep I was a steamy pile of shit.

IV-VI were good movies. They told a story.

I-III... are forced. Sure, the story's there.. but there's no fire to it. It's pretty obvious to me that these movies aren't about telling a story, they're about making money. No passion left to tell a tale, just dollar signs.


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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #4208540 - 05/23/05 01:12 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I thought episode 1 and 2 were both better than 3! That movie had no flow to it, the story was just a bunch of concepts mashed together to try and end this mess. Dialog was lame: ie.
Anikin- No, I would never join the dark side.
(next scene)
Darth Vadar- Die Jedi Die!!!


I thought the whole jewish connection hillarious... fucking people need to really lighten up a little, it's just a movie and in real life people don't carry impressions of a flying alien when they see a Jew. And maybe making the clones mexican was a compliment, it shows that they have strong genes... esentially one mexican is taking on the whole galaxy!!!


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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4210538 - 05/23/05 04:58 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

As to the Star Wars films being worse in one end of the spectrum or more childish... NONE of the movies has ever gotten a good review. They're not about having a good story. They're about simple archetypes and special effects.

On the merchandising... George Lucas asked very little from box office sales in return for full merchandising rights. Turn out he gambled right.


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Re: Star Wars hate propaganda [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4211235 - 05/23/05 07:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I read in a news paper today that movie sales to date have totaled 3.5 Billion and Merchandise sales have totaled 9.4 Billion.

(here was a funny factoid. They were concerned about chewy not having clothes and almost outfitted him with a pair of shorts)


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