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Offlineoscar1011
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    #420572 - 10/10/01 11:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i know a guy who inculated 4 jars with this strain from lilshopofspores. they took 8 days to germinate and only two of the germinated. the substarte is brown rice grounded in a blender and verm. all the jars undured the same circumstances temps around 80. can some one tell me a little about this strain????thanks in adavnce



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Re: thai's [Re: oscar1011]
    #420574 - 10/10/01 11:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

where did they get the spores from?

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Re: thai's [Re: oscar1011]
    #420598 - 10/10/01 11:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I Know a guy who bought Thai Koh Samui from The Hawks Eye, they ALL germinated within three days-colonized within 20 days-fruited within a week and a half. Very strong growth.



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Re: thai's [Re: oscar1011]
    #420601 - 10/10/01 11:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The thai are fast colonizers. But you have to take into account the dryness and the substrate used. Sounds like your using the PF BRF/Verm tek.  There is one strain, the pink buffalo which takes longer to colonize. With out many details from your post, its hard to help with info. Did you use just one syringe? when you say germinate, are you referring to just the slight presence of white growth or partial colonization? A guess would be that you may be alright, and that the jars are going to take a while longer. The clear question about explaining the strain is as follows. The thai strains(Lipi, samui, Pink buffalo, etc) are moderately fast at colonization. They love whole brown rice and many other grains. They also do well on birdseed(finch). They fruit in clumps with alot of medium to large fruits. The thai's are known well for their above average potency. Here is a picture of a Thai Kol samui fruit. The substrate was birdseed, the casing was compost and wheatstraw.

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Re: thai's [Re: bluhoney]
    #420612 - 10/10/01 12:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

he got the spores from lil shop of spores. he used ground(in a blender) br and verm. a 1/4 of a cup of water per jar. what i meant by germinating is seeing the slighest bit of white growth. the were inculated with 1 cc per jar. the were started on the 23rd of september. like i said there were 4 jars and only two of them have growth. one of those two only started growing at one of the four inculation points why is that??? thankx a million



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Re: thai's [Re: bluhoney]
    #420615 - 10/10/01 12:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

the thai's are koh samui



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Re: thai's [Re: oscar1011]
    #420644 - 10/10/01 12:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:smile:, Sounds as if your substrate may have dried too much.  Take a jar and fill it up with water and punch a small hole in the center of the lid and put the lid on rubber side down. Put a piece of tape on the hole and pressure cook it for an hour. Let it cool and then with a sterile syringe, fill it with the water through the hole you punched and squirt about 1 cc in each jar to rehydrate it. Mabe more or less, you can be the judge by examining the jars and seeing if they look over dry or not. This should pick things back up for you. On the other hand, if those two jars only have a slight bit of mycelium, then you may want to give them all another week and see what happens before you tamper with them. They may have been just a slow batch or you may not have put enough spore water in the jars with adequate spores. Give it another week. And if all else fails, contact LiL shop of Spores and explain what happened. They are very good and will fix the problem for you.:) bluhoney

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Re: thai's [Re: bluhoney]
    #420648 - 10/10/01 12:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

wouldn't that kill the spores all ready in there i don't have anymore spores and i am completely broke for the next 2 weeks



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Re: thai's [Re: oscar1011]
    #420721 - 10/10/01 02:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

She means PC another jar, and use a clean syringe.
No spores will be killed by injecting sterile water from a sterile syringe into your cakes.

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Re: thai's [Re: oscar1011]
    #420740 - 10/10/01 02:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

oscar- just wait till the water cools off either in the jar of in the syringe before you put it in your growing jars. even if you dont that 5 or 10 cc's probably wouldnt kill every one of those thousands of spores in there, but let it cool nonetheless.

on another note: BLUEHONEY; i see that you are having great success with thai koh's, do you have any lipa yais? i just ordered a lipa print from ralphster44, along with some cyans from his FSR. his prints are supposed to be great quality (and i am not at all doubting their potential) but i noticed that the 3 lipa prints that i recieved were FAR FAR FAR lighter prints than the $1 FSR cyan prints i got from him also. i have only seen 5 starins off prints in my life as of yet, acadian coast cubensis, ps cyans, pan cyans, lipas and PR cubensis. now as the PR from sporeworks was by FAR the darkest and largest print of them all, the lipa print(s) that i was so excited about were incredibly weak. i used 1 complete print in a syringe and it really did not even darken the water. i can see the spores in there but the 1/4 acadian print syringe and the 1/4 PR print syringes were good and dark. my request is: can you (or anyone else viewing this post) please post a pic of a lipa yai print so i can visually compare the 2. these 3 do not even have spores around the entire diameter of the print and i can se the gill's prints so i know they were not scraped off or worn off in shipping. also if anyone could offer or recommend a stronger lipa yai print i would appreciate that also. either way i will stil continue with what i have. thanks to you all in advance.



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Re: thai's [Re: Everlast]
    #420747 - 10/10/01 02:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

see that the problem i have know more money



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Re: thai's [Re: oscar1011]
    #420749 - 10/10/01 02:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i threw my syringes out



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Re: thai's [Re: oscar1011]
    #421012 - 10/10/01 06:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Dont throw out the spore syringes. There is probally nothing wrong with them. Sometimes even the fastest strains slow down depending on growth perimeters. What I ment by a sterile syringe was to take a clean unused empty syringe and fill it with sterile water which can be obtained by pressurecooking a jar full in the pressurecooker. You let it cool down and then fill your empty syringe with the plain water. The purpose of the sterile water is not to introduce more spores into the substrate, but to rehydrate the substrate itself.  But dont throw your spore syringes away because of slow growth, my friend has had times where her jars took two and a half weeks to growthrough. Patience is a strong tool in mycology. The waiting around has drove many shroomers crazy over the year LOL, Take my advise, leave the jars alone if they look moist enough for another week. If they look dry, then add the sterile water and then give them another week.
      The picture above is not of recent as my friend hasnt grown any  Koh Samui lately. She does know that they do tend to leave dark prints, but she has no pictures available on them. Nor the lipi strain. Try asking one of the vendors for a picture of a spore print of them to compare yours with. My friend gets results like the picture above with the use of wheatstraw in her casing layer(pasturized). Compost casing's alone produce alot of fruits, but not the beautiful textbook look she gets with the addition of wheatstraw. Make sure to chop it up and pasturize it before using.:)bluhoney

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Re: thai's [Re: bluhoney]
    #421228 - 10/10/01 09:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hey oscar, how did you sterilize the sub? Did you use a pressure cooker? And did you let the jars totally cool before innoculating?

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Re: thai's [Re: night train]
    #421341 - 10/10/01 10:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yes he did use the pressure cooker(for 45 mins). all of the four jars were innoculated at the same time. only two didin't germinate.i was just asking if anyone knew what could have happened and on one of the two jars that did germinate only started in one the 4 of the innoculation points. he put exactly 1/4 of a cc in 16 different innoculaton points on four jars. he got two other(well three) syringes from the same vendor and they are doing great. there is no complaining of contaminated syringes.everything is moving a bit slow but that could just be him. but the eqs(innocluated on the 9th of sept) has been cased(2) and birthed(2) the other day and nothing wrong yet.(anyone have an idea on when i should see pins) the b+(innoculated on the 12th of sept) are going to be birthed(2) and cased(2) in about three days. thanx everyone



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Re: thai's [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #421652 - 10/11/01 06:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ko Samui and Lipas colonise very quickly - but mine took around five days to germinate - id agree with the Honey in that your water content in the substrate may have been effected during PCing or maybe you innoculated with too much sporewater...They might just take a little longer, but they should get there...And Beppo- Ill get you a nice and very dark Lipa print very soon... (when i get the chance)



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Re: thai's [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #421796 - 10/11/01 11:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

thank you bluemeanie, i appreciate your generosity. the lipa syringe that i PMed you about also contains 1cc of honey in it and the spores have germinated this morning when i looked at it (36 hours) so i hope that will create a little more active innoculation material rather than just the spores. the myc strands are quite small, but easily visible so i dont think i will have any problems colonizing jars, i plan on making some tonight after work, probably about 8 or so cos i wanna save some jars for my pans.



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Re: thai's [Re: BeppoMarx]
    #421808 - 10/11/01 11:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

One thing you never answered Oscar1011, was how long did you let the jars cool before innoculating them? Besides low water content, that's another big possibility for lack of germinating spores. If you don't let the jars cool several hours (at least) there could be residual heat that kills the spores. Most recommend overnight and it's better to be safe than sorry.

Also, did you shake your syringes good? Can you actually see black specks at (most) of the innoculation sites? Did the jars that already germinate have spores visible against the glass of the jar, or did mycelium seem to grow from nowhere?

BluHoney, did you know that you have some crazy ass looking setup there? I'm sure the compost is great but I bet the whole "twigs sticking up like a forrest floor" look gives the shroomies a feeling of being at home and makes them wanna grow as large as possible :)

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Re: thai's [Re: FungusFarmer]
    #421918 - 10/11/01 01:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

LOL, my friend is very weird, she doesnt use normal casings that most use, she uses wheatstraw as her casing mixed with wet verm. Its then just sprinkled on top of the substrate. This gives the mycelia alot of space to just grow as they please. Works very well.:)bluhoney

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Re: thai's [Re: bluhoney]
    #422295 - 10/11/01 08:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Can't deny the restults, right? Bust out the nutcracker to get that KS into edible shape, can't imagine chewing something that large around. I assume the stalk is hollow, so it probably won't be a health hazard to consume it :)

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