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OfflineRoseM
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Food for Thought
    #4196307 - 05/19/05 05:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

A USEFUL QUOTE TO REPOST AND USE WIDELY

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security,
unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs,
you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you can do these things.

Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

--President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1952


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: Rose]
    #4196321 - 05/19/05 05:26 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Fuck you too, Ike. :finger:


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: Silversoul]
    #4196352 - 05/19/05 05:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Good thing there is no party attempting to abolish social security,
unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs.


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: DieCommie]
    #4196361 - 05/19/05 05:36 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

What's interesting is that nowadays there are even several liberals who want to abolish farm programs.


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: Rose]
    #4196381 - 05/19/05 05:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Heh, did he really say "they are stupid"?





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Re: Food for Thought [Re: Learyfan]
    #4196404 - 05/19/05 05:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I wasn't alive so I can't confirm it... but according to the quote I just posted... yup, he did.

If he said that in here, he'd be banned!


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: Silversoul]
    #4196439 - 05/19/05 05:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Is the point of this post to somehow say that Bush wants to abolish social security, and thus the republican party will not be heard from again?  I have never seen Bush say he wants to abolish social security....

Paradigm... Ive seen you have libertarian views, which I certainly respect, but I think the problem of getting rid of all those govt. subsidies is the "poor" wouldnt stand for it and they would cut the heads off of the rich.  No matter how fair and right it is to make people pay there own way, the poor will revolt if they dont get what they want.  How do you see this problem resolved within your libertarian "paradigm" :wink:?

A clarification: Just because Im advocating for the necessity of these subsidies, dosent mean i like them and i certainly would like to see them scaled back from there current state.


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: DieCommie]
    #4196464 - 05/19/05 05:53 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The point of the post is you THINK it is about Bush, until you see when it was said, and WHO said it.

A DEAD REPUBLICAN!


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: DieCommie]
    #4196494 - 05/19/05 06:00 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

DieCommie said:
Paradigm... Ive seen you have libertarian views, which I certainly respect, but I think the problem of getting rid of all those govt. subsidies is the "poor" wouldnt stand for it and they would cut the heads off of the rich.  No matter how fair and right it is to make people pay there own way, the poor will revolt if they dont get what they want.  How do you see this problem resolved within your libertarian "paradigm" :wink:?



I'm tired of constantly mentioning it, so I'll just link you to the thread:  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/favlinke...amp;postmarker=


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: Rose]
    #4196498 - 05/19/05 06:01 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I didnt think it was about Bush... I guess i just dont see where your goin with this...

Its an interesting quote and I do, in part, believe it.  I have not however heard of any party, except for libertarian, want to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs. I guess thats why the libertarin party is negligible.  :shrug:

edit- thx for the link paradigm


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: DieCommie]
    #4196514 - 05/19/05 06:07 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Bush right now is trying to privatize Social Security to rely on an economy that is not doing that great. This is not technically abolishing SS, but it would certainly sabotage it...


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: Kalix]
    #4196521 - 05/19/05 06:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

oh yea.. Cervantes, what is the source URL for that quote? Just curious..


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: Kalix]
    #4196523 - 05/19/05 06:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The economy is doing fine, growing at over 3%. And he only wants to give people the option to privatize a small fraction. If you have a link that shows otherwise Id love to see it.


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: Kalix]
    #4196527 - 05/19/05 06:10 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Social Security is fucked either way. What he really needs to do is just let people keep their own money and do what they want with it. Then I can invest it in foreign currencies in countries where the president isn't a complete moron.


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: Kalix]
    #4196530 - 05/19/05 06:12 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

It was an email from a friend, so I admit, I haven't seen a source yet.


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: Rose]
    #4196540 - 05/19/05 06:14 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/ike.asp

That gets to the bottom of the quote.

Pretty accurate, but begining to take a new life as an urban legend too.

It was never said by Ike, rather written in a letter to his brother.


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: Kalix]
    #4196543 - 05/19/05 06:15 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

?

What I don't understand is how people think privatizing it is a blow to it.


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: Silversoul]
    #4196544 - 05/19/05 06:16 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Paradigm said:Then I can invest it in foreign currencies in countries where the president isn't a complete moron.


What country would that be?


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: DieCommie]
    #4196549 - 05/19/05 06:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I dunno. I'm sure they're around somewhere. In any case, the Euro seems to be doing quite well these days.


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Re: Food for Thought [Re: Silversoul]
    #4196552 - 05/19/05 06:18 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The United States of Europe?


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