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Religion is for those who fear hell...
    #4195771 - 05/19/05 03:30 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

philosophy is for those who've been there.

Discuss.


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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Veritas]
    #4195791 - 05/19/05 03:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

And both of them are useless and have to do with imaginary concepts that no human will ever experience in this universe.

Discuss.

Philosophy is for those who have been to Hell? There is no Hell, but most philosophers haven't even been there metaphorically more than anyone else, especially compared to a religion. You think Voltaire experienced Hell more than Jesus and Joan of Arc? Assuming Jesus existed that is, and assuming he actually was tortured and crucified, which is doubtful.

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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Ravus]
    #4195805 - 05/19/05 03:35 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

soren kierkegaard experienced far more hell than voltaire. its not even worth comparing really. Soren - 1 you - 0


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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Doom]
    #4195827 - 05/19/05 03:39 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Both philosophers and religious people have experienced hell then, you could say. If you're using it in a metaphorical sense like you seem to be with Soreyes, then you could also apply it to religious figures who experienced complete despair for life.

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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Ravus]
    #4195832 - 05/19/05 03:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Of course they are "useless," they are intangibles. However, they are not purposeless.

(a) Hell is self-created, therefore just as real as anything else we are dreaming.

(b) Who said that philosophy is only for Philosophers?
Certainly a 7-11 clerk has experienced as much hell as Voltaire or Jesus.


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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Veritas]
    #4195858 - 05/19/05 03:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

"Certainly a 7-11 clerk has experienced as much hell as Voltaire or Jesus. "

THAT was funny!


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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Doom]
    #4195906 - 05/19/05 03:59 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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lemme guess which category you fall into....the superior one?






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dude....its a one day read...dont be such a lazy illiterate




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So you might as well get your head out of the clouds and pick up the latest defense industry trade papers and start studying...





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nope, we dont have these powers, sorry, now run along and go buy me a choco-filled vanilla burger down at the 7-11. Oh yeah, pick me up some Old Milwaukee while your at it because I'm gonna get pissed and watch Saved by the Bell re-runs all day long.

yeah bitch, revolution of the mind.




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lame. If all you can come up with is dropping the name of a book, you need to take a lap and hit the showers.

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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Ravus]
    #4195908 - 05/19/05 04:00 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Jesus existed. He was a man born on earth saying he didnt exist is ignorant. How would a man make so much impact on the world and create an entire religion if he didnt exist.

I dont believe in Buddhism but Buddha was a real person. Denying the existence is just plain foolish.


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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Veritas]
    #4195913 - 05/19/05 04:01 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Veritas said:
Certainly a 7-11 clerk has experienced as much hell as Voltaire or Jesus.




Speaking from experience, it's not nearly as bad a job as you might think. The worst aspects are a) Potential to be held up, and b) Shitty pay.

The best aspects include goofing off, elastic-shooting contests, races around the store (inside!), unlimited free fountain drinks/slurpees, free grill foods (As long as the boss ain't there), free donuts (delivered daily, so after the morning rush they're pretty much up for grabs), and first dibs on anything that expires. :P

However, despite all that, I'll agree that a 7-11 clerk has probably experienced as much hell as anyone else... because I think that hell is a state of mind... and due to the subjective nature of the human experience, I think there's a good chance that this state of mind is a relative concept. (Meaning you can only gauge how "bad" things are against your own subjective experiences of other states of mind.)


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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Veritas]
    #4195917 - 05/19/05 04:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

oh veritas...you`ve found me out...


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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Doom]
    #4195923 - 05/19/05 04:04 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

What's to find out?  :smirk:


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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #4195942 - 05/19/05 04:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.bandoli.no/whyjesus.htm
http://tftb.com/deify/didjesus.htm
http://www.atheists.org/christianity/didjesusexist.html

Anyway, I am not necessarily going to argue Jesus didn't exist, but there are other even more disputable aspects that are extremely mainstream. Was Jesus crucified? Muslims don't believe so, along with other groups.

It doesn't matter anyway, Jesus was a bore even if he did exist, and if he didn't then he's just a justification people have used to oppress their constituents. C'est la vie.

You say proof Jesus existed was his impact on the world, but this is a logical fallacy. Just because a myth has a huge impact on a culture, does that make it true? If a mythical god started a religion that billions of people followed, would that god therefore be real? Impact has no correlation to truth.


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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Ravus]
    #4195951 - 05/19/05 04:11 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Muslims don't believe so, along with other groups.





yeah, and the C.E.O. of Pepsico will tell you that Coke tastes like toxic waste.


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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Doom]
    #4195960 - 05/19/05 04:12 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Excellent point!!!

Don't ask the fox to guard the henhouse.


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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Doom]
    #4195967 - 05/19/05 04:14 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

So? Because over a billion or two Christians believe Jesus was crucified, that's evidence according to some, but because over a billion Muslims say Jesus wasn't crucified, that's just propaganda or what?

Again, belief has no correlation to truth. I'd seriously hold the possibility that Jesus didn't even exist, due to the lack of solid evidence that he did. And it's up to the people who claim that something exists to substantiate their claims, but all they point to is the Bible and the impact Jesus has had, both of which could be created entirely without Jesus.


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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Ravus]
    #4195986 - 05/19/05 04:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

it doesnt matter if he was crucified or not, its all psychological. Its the hero trope and people dig it.


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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Doom]
    #4196015 - 05/19/05 04:20 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Jesus wasn't a hero. Christians act like he had a choice, but in reality, if Jesus was caught hiding out by a group of armed soldiers, he was immediately fucked. No matter how much pain and torture they'd give him, he couldn't escape, and I doubt he chose to die for us.

Unless you accept the silly notion that God sent his "son" to torture and death so we didn't have any sins, in which case the raping and killing I do doesn't matter eh?


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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Ravus]
    #4196030 - 05/19/05 04:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

what?

your anti^christendom attitude doesnt allow for much objective consideration does it?

jesus is very much the hero of his followers, as was his progenitor, Osiris.


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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Ravus]
    #4196050 - 05/19/05 04:26 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The way the story goes, didn't Jesus tell Judas to go rat out his where abouts to the soldiers?

If Jesus could walk on water he could of just levitated himself above a capture.

if he could pull fish out of thin air, he could of pulled out something to block him from capture also.

If he could read Judas mind and know that he was going to betray him, he could also know when soldiers were nearing, like Luke and Darth, "he is on the ship." "How do you know?" "I feel his presence."

I think the whole Crucifixion story is a dupe anyway. Like so many have pointed out how many other cultures and religions have the same story line in their mythos.


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Re: Religion is for those who fear hell... [Re: Doom]
    #4196051 - 05/19/05 04:26 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Objective consideration? Please point out how I am wrong. Jesus had a choice after he was captured by the armed soldiers eh? Maybe he could've transformed their blood into wine and ran away, but for some reason, in reality I doubt Jesus was a hero at all. He was captured, he was tortured, he was killed. There doesn't seem to be any chance for him to make a choice and say, "Enough my Roman friends! I'm done, please let me go." :rolleyes:


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