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thoughts that have no ending or begining or content
    #4193155 - 05/19/05 12:05 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

so 100$ is 100$.period.  right? so say that you can visualize in your mind what 100$ looks like, then you know it exists.

and obviously a 100$ sitting right in front of you does exists too.~~~~~

why then would (almost) everyone take the 100$ in front of your eyes, instead of the potential 100$????

are they not of the same monetary value? 100 is 100 (100=100) always! 

and if you can imagine that other 100$ you know it must exist...why not hold off for a bit and accept the 100$ later?

and how would youre decision change if it were 100$ visable dollars, and 150 supposed/potential dollars?

just thinkin' :smile:


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Re: thoughts that have no ending or begining or content [Re: uriahchase]
    #4193162 - 05/19/05 12:07 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

??
are you asking why we'd prefer physical money to a concept of the same physical money? I think it's because reality trumps all concepts.


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Re: thoughts that have no ending or begining or content [Re: uriahchase]
    #4193656 - 05/19/05 02:03 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Unfortuanetly, not many people/corporations/etc... value thoughts of money over a tangible form of it... nor do many people.

I could offer, and do offer you a dreamhouse over in the Bahamas right now, you don't even need to leave your computer screen, all I ask is that you work for me for the rest of your life... for the sale of an illusory concept. However, if it was real, and offered to you, you might actually give it a bit more thought (even though by work I mean enslavement, and although you'd possess the house, you wouldn't be able to live in it :smirk: read the contract before you sign). 

I'd accept the $100 later... then again, I really don't give a shit for money, so... that negates the 100 to 150 dollar concept as well.


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Re: thoughts that have no ending or begining or content [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4194294 - 05/19/05 08:11 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The paper is just a physical representation of the idea of "$100".

You can't have one without the other, I think.


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Re: thoughts that have no ending or begining or content [Re: slaphappy]
    #4194575 - 05/19/05 10:43 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

but isn't 100$ 100$?? wether it be in hand or manifested in the future..?

like i said random thoughts and no content!


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Re: thoughts that have no ending or begining or content [Re: uriahchase]
    #4194601 - 05/19/05 10:52 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

no, one hundred dollars has nothing to do with your flakey ideas, it has to do with your nation-states economy and nothing else.


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Re: thoughts that have no ending or begining or content [Re: uriahchase]
    #4194720 - 05/19/05 11:35 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

My head is the only place where i can truely enjoy money.


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Re: thoughts that have no ending or begining or content [Re: David_Scape]
    #4196471 - 05/19/05 05:55 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

it depends what you mean by thoughts...there're actually alot of companies out there that pay bick bucks for ideas they think are worth it.
Usually, they'll pay at least some money several months (or more) ebfore any hope of seeing any return. That's effectively what you were asking, isn't it?
it's also kinda like credit agreements and credit cards. The whole idea of credit, in fact. The only difference being, that with credit systems, EVENTUALLY, you do have to produce the physical money, or at least get it input into the system somehow (e.g. through a paycheck).
Of course, then we could get into the whole business of how the vast proportion of the world's monetary wealth (~80%+) is effectively "imaginary" or "conceptual", as in, it's not backed by anything physical. I *think* the US has one of the highest ratios of monetary wealth - physical wealth. Something like 30% of their wealth is actually backed by the likes of gold, silver, even a little platinum. Last time i read about it anyway, though that was a few years ago.
The problem is, the governments in most countries can find ways, if they want, to "create" new money out of thin air - as in, printing more bank notes when there isn't, in fact, solid currency to back them up.
And this is just a very simplified, short version of the inherent flaws in the current system of trade used all voer the world. It's not really about freedom, it's about lack of freedom - or, to put it properly, control. the few wish to control the masses, they can do this most effectively by having such a labyrinthine, pyramidical system that is based more in the realm of fantasy than the realm of (what we know as) reality.


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Re: thoughts that have no ending or begining or content [Re: uriahchase]
    #4196512 - 05/19/05 06:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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uriahchase said:
why then would (almost) everyone take the 100$ in front of your eyes, instead of the potential 100$????





For the same reason kinetic energy can actually move an object and potential energy cannot. $100 in my hand will motivate me to perform an action, whereas the promise of a $100 bill is not a definate thing.


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Re: thoughts that have no ending or begining or content [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #4196648 - 05/19/05 06:53 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

money is a social construction. the only reason a 100$ bill is worth 100$ is because everyone agrees it is. seriously, its just paper. it only has value cause everyone says it does. money, for being so full of crap, is pretty awesome sometimes.


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Re: thoughts that have no ending or begining or content [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4196661 - 05/19/05 06:59 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Alright, I'll concede the point there.

So holding a physical $100 bill really only means that I have the POTENTIAL to trade it for something of "value" (which is of course subjective), not to mention that the bill itself is of variable value, since the worth of money is not a constant.  $100 might buy me an item today that could be more or less expensive in five years.

I think what it comes down to is instant gratification versus taking a chance for a payoff.    I would rather have $100 now than $150 in ten years, when inflation may render the difference negligable.  :thumbup:


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Re: thoughts that have no ending or begining or content [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4196663 - 05/19/05 07:01 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Your idea of $100 would only be as materially valuable as a material $100 bill if you had a tried method of accomplishing the material with the imagined...


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Re: thoughts that have no ending or begining or content [Re: Kalix]
    #4197594 - 05/19/05 11:37 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

if only we all had a tried method of accomplshing the material with the imagined...


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Re: thoughts that have no ending or begining or content [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4199822 - 05/20/05 03:56 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

crunchytoast said:
money is a social construction. the only reason a 100$ bill is worth 100$ is because everyone agrees it is. seriously, its just paper. it only has value cause everyone says it does. money, for being so full of crap, is pretty awesome sometimes.




thats a pretty flakey criticism. X is X just because everyone believes X is X. I mean...what does that really say? yes...language has no true meaning unless those using it believe it has meaning...same with art...music...science...etc.


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Re: thoughts that have no ending or begining or content [Re: Doom]
    #4205379 - 05/22/05 01:48 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i was just stating a fact. it's not a criticism.


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Re: thoughts that have no ending or begining or content [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4206097 - 05/22/05 11:12 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

oh you`re no fun.


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Re: thoughts that have no ending or begining or content [Re: Doom]
    #4206166 - 05/22/05 11:51 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

:tongue: come on it's pretty sweet how everything is based on social construction like money, language, science etc.

we're basically animals- in a way we're like ants building our ant farms- only our antfarms are skyscrapers, retail stores, currencies, "systems of knowledge" whathaveyou- the world we build is a bunch of empty reflections of ourselves

think about how much time people spend watching tv
it's like ants watching a boxes they build for themselves, watching pictures of themselves all day

it's so self-referential it's absurd


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