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Offlinegnrm23
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Re: Shroomy Suicide [Re: Kid]
    #435788 - 10/24/01 07:01 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

and niacinamide does not cause flushing...


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Re: Shroomy Suicide [Re: gnrm23]
    #436088 - 10/25/01 01:05 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

First you contradict yourself, then you come and try and tell me something contrary to what I know.

Yes, it does.

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Re: Shroomy Suicide [Re: Kid]
    #436312 - 10/25/01 09:11 AM (22 years, 5 months ago)

ok
for you, niacinaminde does cause flushing (due to vasodilation) and does not stop or tone down a trip (perhaps due to increased MAO activity)
therefore, it is the same for everybody else
ok
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have i done something in particular to piss you off? or is it just me in general? just wondering...
(oh, and where exactly am i contradicting myself?)
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have a nice day, i suppose...
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Re: Shroomy Suicide [Re: gnrm23]
    #436513 - 10/25/01 01:08 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

> (oh, and where exactly am i contradicting myself?)
"niacin caues vasodilation resulting in the "flushing" effect...
niacinamide does not.... "

Set A contains the subset B (and C and D)
Set A = niacin
Set B = niacinamide and nicotinic acid
Set C = niacinamide
Set D = nicotinic acid

It doesn't make sense to say that set A causes flushing while set C, a subset of A does not. You are essentially saying that niacin causes flushing, but that it does not. A contradiction.

> have i done something in particular to piss you off?
No, I'm not pissed off, but I think you're wrong, that's all.
Only the fact that myself and two of my friends have tried niacin while tripping to no effect, and that I've received reports of using niacin to attempt to abort a trip, without sucess.

> therefore, it is the same for everybody else

I never said that, but the fact that I've seen it in other people, and gotten reports of it, makes me pretty damn sure I'm right.

Edited by Kid (10/25/01 01:09 PM)

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Re: Shroomy Suicide [Re: Kid]
    #436567 - 10/25/01 02:18 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

please, please, obtain a few of abram hoffer's books (or even visit his website, tho i think it is rather sparse) ---he has been involved in psychedelics, vitamins, and psychotherapy since the 1950s, treating alcoholics with lsd therapy, treating mentally ill folks with his "megavitamin" or "orthomolecular psychiatry" regime, and despite his run-ins with the APA, still has some credibility in the field...
(as a sidenote, he and dr osmund were the guys who turned aldous huxley on to mescaline back in the 50s, and i think they were involved in giving bill w, founder of AA, his lsd dose...)
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and i have taken niacin and gotten the flushing effect, and have taken niacinamide and avoided it... they do not have identical physiological effects, even if their ultimate metabolic fate is more or less identical...
and i never claimed that using niacin to treat acid anxiety (or schitzophrenia) would work for everyone... but that the results are more than a placebo effect... hoffer did some double-blind studies, but eventually pretty much abandoned them because his results indicated that the beneficial effects of helping his mental patients recover outweighed the clinical clarity of half the test group being administered "blanks"...
(the cleveland public library has several of his books available for loan --- well worth the effort to give 'em a read... and at least a couple of his books on mental illnes are still in print... check it out...)


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Re: Shroomy Suicide [Re: PissHead]
    #437778 - 10/26/01 03:28 PM (22 years, 5 months ago)

If you're really smart, you should be able to kill yourself and then grab onto some molecules in hyperspace and shape them into a new body for your soul. I've done it a few times but I haven't been able to accurately place my new body into the proper time. For example, I successfully transformed myself into Michael Jordan but I came back in 3150 when we will no longer play basketball.

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Re: Shroomy Suicide [Re: drunkgoat]
    #3135923 - 09/14/04 07:04 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Because that's what we monkeys do. Drugs.
I had an awesome time coming to this conclusion when tripping real hard out in the woods. All my friends were doing was looking at pot and trying to pack it into a bowl and it was so strange to think that these are the things that amuse us, these are the things we spend out time doing: Drugs. Its like drugs is the name of a close personal friend of ours who was tranformed into a thing and put out into this world, while we play parts acting in this giant comidrama doing things with our friend drugs(i.e. reality.)

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Re: Shroomy Suicide [Re: PissHead]
    #3135964 - 09/14/04 07:12 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I've thought about suicide on shrooms before, but for the most part I was just casually reflecting upon it. I came to the conclusion that suicide is not a good idea. Ever.

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Re: Shroomy Suicide [Re: PissHead]
    #3135983 - 09/14/04 07:18 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

You still a Piss-Head.


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Re: Shroomy Suicide [Re: Kid]
    #3136334 - 09/14/04 08:33 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

he is not contradicting himself if by referring to niacin he is referring to nicotinic acid only without knowing it.


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