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Re: Overpopulation Myths [Re: Doom]
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What is missing is the integrety of our officials to work towards managing population. By nature we should live in tribes or communities. Once that is lost, we begin to lose our relation to our own nature and our true environment. On a smaller scale, as in a community, pop. is easier to manage becuase we'd be able to see the issue of population as an issue of economics/resources and survival. We don't see the ramifications of overpopulating the earth, depleting it of resources, because as Americans we're abundant in recources taken from other lands. Indigenous peoples do and feel the ramifications of this trend.

"war is tha answer"

ha. Yeah. Overpopulation is a good argument for war. War is just stupid logic most of the time when used to resolve conflicts. And unfortunately war isn't the same as it was. Its all about necular war, WMDs, techno war, economic war...little hand to hand combat.

there are emperors that supposingly sacrificed and killed people of thier own nations to prove superiority. Maybe they were on to something?
It may be a real selfish thing to think that we HAVE to exist, in addition to having children of our own. there are deeper issues here at work.

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Re: Overpopulation Myths [Re: shanti]
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take your ecological footprint quiz

http://www.earthday.net/footprint/index.asp

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Re: Overpopulation Myths [Re: shanti]
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I think we are officially overpopulated when we are not sufficently capable of providing for a benefical quality of life for everyone. We certainly have the means to provide for this, so I don't think we are "technically" overpopulated in that sense, but we are functionally overpopulated.

Not to mention the fact that the Earth itself cannot provide for the survival and well-being of this sheer amount of human beings. It is artificially sustained as a result of a non-renewable resource. Who has heard of peak oil? Indeed, our population will soon decrease signfigantly, by our own hand, nature balances itself out through itself.

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Re: Overpopulation Myths [Re: fireworks_god]
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An interesting note to contemplate is that I am sure that we have the technology to be able to create for ourselves some sort of life-sustaining machine, something that we can link up to that will supply us with enough oxygen and nutrients to survive standing up in a 4'x4'x8' space. We could technically, then, store literally trillions of human beings on the surface of this planet.

Isn't that what we are heading for, anyways, the exaggerated extreme serving to magnify the situation? Life... for what? Simply being contained in a space, our basic needs for that life so that we are alive? Or is pop culture actually adding vibrant dimensions of meaning to our life?

Quality always seemed to have more potent reasoning and substance within it than quantity....

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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Loving every breath of you
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Re: Overpopulation Myths [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
I think we are officially overpopulated when we are not sufficently capable of providing for a benefical quality of life for everyone.


That is a nice thought, but it is imossible for "we" to provide beneficial quality of life for "everyone"! because we just dont have the capability of reaching everyone in 3rd world countries and upgrading their lifestyle. We do not have enough time to do such things... Atleast, this is true for the social class that i currently belong to in america. We barely have enough time to work, and stay sane. Let alone expand our own knowledge and expound upon our personal spiritual beliefs. Not to mention pursue hobbies, find new hobbies, experience nature, spend time wasting time... etc.

Therefore, by your reasoning we were overpopulated LONG ago.

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Re: Overpopulation Myths [Re: Druginduced]
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RydawgSupreme said:
fireworks_god said:
I think we are officially overpopulated when we are not sufficently capable of providing for a benefical quality of life for everyone.


That is a nice thought, but it is imossible for "we" to provide beneficial quality of life for "everyone"! because we just dont have the capability of reaching everyone in 3rd world countries and upgrading their lifestyle. We do not have enough time to do such things... Atleast, this is true for the social class that i currently belong to in america. We barely have enough time to work, and stay sane. Let alone expand our own knowledge and expound upon our personal spiritual beliefs. Not to mention pursue hobbies, find new hobbies, experience nature, spend time wasting time... etc.


I think the entire point was that these "classes" are established in such a manner as to make our world functionally overpopulated. :smirk: If one thinks it is impossible to carry out what I speak of, then their rational thinking and awareness is far too confined within the intangible, illusory structure we have created for conventionality.  :wink:

What consists of life, my friend? The only thing that is necessary for us to be concerned with is what we need to sustain ourselves from our environment. We, as a population, are not even capable of doing that without harming our environment and our future potential for ourselves to sustain ourselves within it.

Why must we take for ourselves the benefit of the finer aspects and meanings of life by denying others of us the basic requirements to sustain a life, with a beneficial and affirming quality to it?

I find it amazing that we, in general, conceptually do not have enough time. :shocked: Time isn't something that you can have any amount of. It naturally flows and is experienced and we constantly interact and change through this. We have ownership of this? :confused: It simply cannot be quantified. Our conventional sense of time is illusory and seperates us from it and reality's true nature.

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Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Overpopulation Myths [Re: Alan Stone]
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For the committed activist only:

http://www.vhemt.org/

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Re: Overpopulation Myths [Re: Veritas]
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"bah. we have every *right* seriously, where do you come up with these kind of ideas? rights? its a jungle, the strong kill and eat the weak, that is the nature of nature."

No, the ones who find a balance with their environment survive, NOT the ones who can kill everything else the best! We are order from chaos, and the population will EVENTUALLY reach a peak and then collapse on itself as per the sinusoidal nature of the universe.


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Re: Overpopulation Myths [Re: dr0mni]
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Re: Overpopulation Myths [Re: niteowl]
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In terms of resources I don't think that we're sitting at a level of comfortable resource consumption. What we're leaching right now isn't appropriate for the technology and farming methods that we have.
Some countries still have bundles of kids who proform backbreaking labour because that's just what they know, while others have fat rich people who eat steak and lobster and command drones because that's the opportunity they nabbed. It's kind of off balance, but that's a whole different debate.

We should all conciously decide on what's to be done with the planets current situation. People should all, for one, be more conservative or thoughtful about the energy and food they use from daily life. I'm saving atleast $100 on my bills by conserving electricity, hydro and producing less trash. And I'm just a dumb kid. It's a win-win situation.
Then people as a whole could decide on what's to be done about declining situations like those of steady falling natural resources, forests and animal life. We're killing too much of what we don't need, and using what we do have too inefficiantly. We can easily do a lot of things that would better our lives, and to contribute is pretty easy and lazy but people still don't. It kinda sucks but atleast I'll be dead when things are really shitty.

I wonder what our (Canada!) population pyramid looks like when compared to a country such as china's. I'm sure that there's a lot of variables with the lifestyle and economy differences, but I'm also pretty sure we're both sucking ass in lots of similar ways too.


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Re: Overpopulation Myths [Re: dr0mni]
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dr0mni said:
"bah. we have every *right* seriously, where do you come up with these kind of ideas? rights? its a jungle, the strong kill and eat the weak, that is the nature of nature."

No, the ones who find a balance with their environment survive, NOT the ones who can kill everything else the best! We are order from chaos, and the population will EVENTUALLY reach a peak and then collapse on itself as per the sinusoidal nature of the universe.


yeah, humans are really in danger of collapse....Inuits survived for thousands of years living in houses made of ice, think about that one. So what if civilization collapses due to environmental cataclysm? humans have allready lived in horrid conditions and flourished beautifully, now throw in our spectacular grasp and mastery of science and technology....an end is nowhere in sight, its not even a possibility.

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Re: Overpopulation Myths [Re: Doom]
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Doom said:
dr0mni said:
"bah. we have every *right* seriously, where do you come up with these kind of ideas? rights? its a jungle, the strong kill and eat the weak, that is the nature of nature."

No, the ones who find a balance with their environment survive, NOT the ones who can kill everything else the best! We are order from chaos, and the population will EVENTUALLY reach a peak and then collapse on itself as per the sinusoidal nature of the universe.


yeah, humans are really in danger of collapse....Inuits survived for thousands of years living in houses made of ice, think about that one. So what if civilization collapses due to environmental cataclysm? humans have allready lived in horrid conditions and flourished beautifully, now throw in our spectacular grasp and mastery of science and technology....an end is nowhere in sight, its not even a possibility.


The Inuits, also had a very healthy ecosystem with lots of food in the oceans. That may not be true for too much longer considering trends in the oceans.

Still mankind should have vanished long ago considering all the Doom :shocked:s day predictions. To say it's not even a possibility though is just silly. :mushroom2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Overpopulation Myths [Re: spud]
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all of that shit was copied verbatim from a conservative writer.

ok, conservatives like their current lifestyle, are greedy for even more, and have an interest in trying to convince themselves and jeus lord and everyone else that what they do is good and it's ok if things get even worse.
i hate republicans so much because it's like every bad attitude to every issue rolled together in one.


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