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InvisibleLucid_Euphoria
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Bulk colonization growth rate?
    #4189059 - 05/17/05 11:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I was wondering if bulk tubs tend to slow colonization rates as they come close to 100%. Like the mycellium does in jars as they are being colonized.

I am asking because I had to toss out one of my bulk trays today due to a nasty contam. The other one is well colonized though, I'd say 95% of the surface is colonized, and I pulled back all 4 sides of the container and all sides are absolutely 100% colonized. I'm concerned however because this tray has been colonizing since 4/30. I don't wanna wait much longer as that just increases my odds of getting contaminated. So I was wondering if the growth has just slowed, if this is common? Or possibly I have a contam beneath the surface that is keeping that last 5% on the surface from finishing?

I case this bad boy and get it into my fruiting chamber ASAP. The bulk substrate is Tenn. Stud prepastuerized 50/50 poo/straw mix FYI, in case that helps.

Thanks for any feedback.

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Re: Bulk colonization growth rate? [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #4189089 - 05/17/05 11:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I have the same problem with 5 LBS of High Mountain Compost. Had about 10% left but on the bottom of the bulk tray. I got sick of that, so I just crumbled it all up again and cased it. Hopefully the last few bits will colonize faster now that they're all mixed up. Then patching the casing.

Good luck man!! You could always cut out the uncolonized parts case.

GL

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Re: Bulk colonization growth rate? [Re: Sammy]
    #4189098 - 05/17/05 11:53 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yah I'd probably opt to do that now, except the uncolonized part is on the top, so I'd havea fucked up seriously uneven casing layer/pinset.

Maybe if it isn't done colonizing in 4 days or so I'll take it out and flip it upside down.


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Re: Bulk colonization growth rate? [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #4191044 - 05/18/05 03:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Anyone else have some input?


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Re: Bulk colonization growth rate? [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #4191053 - 05/18/05 03:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

what was your spawn ratio?

what are the temps in your incubator?


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Re: Bulk colonization growth rate? [Re: Roadkill]
    #4191260 - 05/18/05 04:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Spawn ratio was 1.5 quarts of WBS to about 5# of Tenn. Stud prepastuerized 50/50 Poo/Straw (didn't measure volume) I'd estimate about 6-7 quarts at most of substrate, I split the 10#'s I'd gotten between 2 trays, 1.5 quarts of spawn to each.

Temp in TiT incubator ranges from about 83-87 degrees.


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Re: Bulk colonization growth rate? [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #4191321 - 05/18/05 04:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

5 to 1 spawn ratio works best for me.
5 parts bulk substrate to 1 part colonized substrate.

the faster the spawn run...the less chances of contamination or stalling...IME

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I like to be at 81 degrees F...for my colonization temp.

the bulk substrate will heat up a little more than your temp that you are incubating at.

tc


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Re: Bulk colonization growth rate? [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #4191411 - 05/18/05 04:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Could anything besides a contam cause it to stall?
I knew my temp was a little high but I didn't think it could have adverse effects.

I'm monitoring it closely, if it continues to not colonize the small area left on the surface, I plan on digging out what isn't colonized, then flip the big ol' hunk of mycellium upside down and case it. That way I have full colonization and a nice even layer of mycellium on top.

Thanks for your responses RK


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Re: Bulk colonization growth rate? [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #4191441 - 05/18/05 04:50 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

usually a bacterial contam...from the bulk substrate being too wet.

low spawn rate will cause stalls...not enough umph to get it colonized quickly...you want fast spawn runs.

temps are off...really can effect your spawn run.

stuff like that.

yw


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Re: Bulk colonization growth rate? [Re: Roadkill]
    #4191466 - 05/18/05 04:55 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Well my ratio seemed to be pretty close to 5:1. I had about 6 quarts or so of sub to 1.5 quarts of Spawn.

I sure hope there isn't a contam sitting smack in the middle of that bad boy. It really looks in good shape. I'll check on it sunday and take a pic, hopefully it will be all finished at that point.

If there is no contam, and its just stalled, do you think my idea of removing the uncolonized area and flipping it over would be ok? As in it wouldn't damage anything?


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Re: Bulk colonization growth rate? [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
    #4191477 - 05/18/05 04:57 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'd like to see a picture first...before making any judgement calls.

tc


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Re: Bulk colonization growth rate? [Re: Roadkill]
    #4192315 - 05/18/05 08:03 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I'll try to get a pic up tonight or tomarrow.

In the meantime, I could use an expert opinion on my new post, I think some WBS spawn I dumped in the mulch in front of my house has sprouted mushies...please take a look at the post if you get the chance.


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