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OfflineAlan Stone
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Time & Movement
    #4185943 - 05/17/05 10:14 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Supposedly, movement is a function of distance and time. I'd say time is a function of movement and not 'real' in itself. If nothing moves (including subatomic particles), how can time be measured?

Does time even exist when nothing moves? Can time be measured by any other means than the movement of things?

And one more thing: aren't dimensions supposed to be independent of other factors? If time can only be determined by using movement, which is in turn a function of distance (3 dimsensions), then can it really be called a dimension?


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4185973 - 05/17/05 10:22 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Does time even exist when nothing moves?

when nothing moves?

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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Doom]
    #4185981 - 05/17/05 10:24 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

If nothing is moving. If everything is standing still. 0 Kelvin.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4185993 - 05/17/05 10:27 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

do you have a record of nothing moving? perhaps a video?

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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Doom]
    #4186004 - 05/17/05 10:31 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I have several photographs and paintings. Don't troll, I'm right here under the bridge, waiting.

Even if 0 Kelvin is not a possible situation... if time is dependent on movement, shouldn't that disqualify it as a dimension?


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4186036 - 05/17/05 10:40 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

when nothing moves, it could still, be motion..

still ... motion

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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Gomp]
    #4186041 - 05/17/05 10:43 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

""And one more thing: aren't dimensions supposed to be independent of other factors? If time can only be determined by using movement, which is in turn a function of distance (3 dimsensions), then can it really be called a dimension?""

What if..

Those 3 dimensions, are the 4'th dimension.. (and so on)


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Gomp]
    #4186095 - 05/17/05 11:04 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

When thinking about these things, I never seek full understanding from a physical scientific perspective. It might be hardpressed to explain some things. I believe that spiritual time exists in higher realms. There is still seasonal/cyclical change, but our bodies never age and time wears nothing down. In this spirit realm we all one day return to, we still retain our individuality; when the drop of water goes back into the ocean, it does not change quantitatively in size. This line of thinking is from Hari Krishna.

Makes sense. I mean, for example, if you try to move around during astral travel, it's almost as though you stay still and move the world in relation to your position. It's like there is no time or space, but things must always exist in such a way that oneness *and* individuality may be simultaneously expressed, so time and space are continuously created. How they apply to our selves is perhaps a question of which self, our higher or lower selves, we're talking about.

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Re: Time & Movement [Re: the_phoenix]
    #4186165 - 05/17/05 11:22 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

*this is an empty post*, hit that delet button will ya?



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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4186340 - 05/17/05 11:55 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

And one more thing: aren't dimensions supposed to be independent of other factors?

Where do you come up with this nonsense? Have you ever seen a box with height, but no width or depth?


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4186366 - 05/17/05 11:59 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Even if 0 Kelvin is not a possible situation... if time is dependent on movement, shouldn't that disqualify it as a dimension?




you should have a drink or something, watch some porn, eat some peanut butter.

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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Doom]
    #4186679 - 05/17/05 12:59 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

""eat some peanut butter. ""

ha ha.. made "me" think of this movie.. :smile:


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Swami]
    #4186822 - 05/17/05 01:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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And one more thing: aren't dimensions supposed to be independent of other factors?

Where do you come up with this nonsense? Have you ever seen a box with height, but no width or depth?




That's what I was going to ask. Where did the idea come from the spatial dimensions are independent of other factors? They all require each other to be.

Yes, your painting is a 2 dimensional still that could not exist without the 3rd dimension to house it in making it a flat still and without the 4th dimension of time/movement it could not have even been created.

Dimensions are just space within space within space. Something can't be without the space for it to be and it can't be known or realized without it being placed in another dimensional form of space/time.

A one dimensional dot doesn't exist without it being seen as that in a two dimensional shape and that doesn't exist without it being seen from a 3 dimensional shape and for all of that to happen, you needed to be in the 4th dimension of time/movement that created the space for it all to happen.

There's nothing to discuss with an assumption that dimensions are independent of other factors.

What were you getting at? Maybe re-word your premise :confused:


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4187237 - 05/17/05 02:59 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

all dimensions is at this one.. :P


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Swami]
    #4187368 - 05/17/05 03:22 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Where do you come up with this nonsense? Have you ever seen a box with height, but no width or depth?



I see, that entirely debunks the fact that space is not dependent on any other thing. Stop reading what you want to read and read what it says.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4187382 - 05/17/05 03:26 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Yes, your painting is a 2 dimensional still that could not exist without the 3rd dimension to house it in making it a flat still and without the 4th dimension of time/movement it could not have even been created.
Dimensions are just space within space within space. Something can't be without the space for it to be and it can't be known or realized without it being placed in another dimensional form of space/time.
A one dimensional dot doesn't exist without it being seen as that in a two dimensional shape and that doesn't exist without it being seen from a 3 dimensional shape and for all of that to happen, you needed to be in the 4th dimension of time/movement that created the space for it all to happen.



Nice trueisms. However, isn't space independent of anything else? Aren't spatial dimensions internally dependent but independent of anything else? Space is not a result of anything.

I, however, contend that time does have a cause.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Gomp]
    #4187397 - 05/17/05 03:28 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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all dimensions is at this one.. :P




That can be said the same for any one you are in.

I stretched to see one independent from the others and all I could realize with the stretching was how I had to use all the others to do that.

I see each as having a function that makes the one even exist.

If I just remove on from the equation, the whole system get sucks up into the void again.

That doesn't mean we can't talk about the functions of each and their interdependency on how they work together to make it all happen. :heart:


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4187401 - 05/17/05 03:29 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Are you unable to answer the question? Yes or no would suffice.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Swami]
    #4187460 - 05/17/05 03:46 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Of course not. But does that mean width, depth and length are dependent on eachother? Does coexistence imply dependency?

Communication by means of a forum can hardly be termed the ideal medium. Ask questions instead of jumping to conclusions.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4187474 - 05/17/05 03:48 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Does coexistence imply dependency?




Coexistence with correlation does imply dependency. Since width, depth and length are always found together, there is a strong correlation. In fact, the odds of finding them together would have a correlation coefficient of +1.0, a perfect relationship. So to answer your question, yes it does imply dependency.

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Re: Time & Movement [Re: spud]
    #4187481 - 05/17/05 03:50 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

all dimensions is at the one.. :P


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4187486 - 05/17/05 03:51 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Dimensions are merely coordinates in space-time. All four are necessary to pinpoint or describe an object. My hair is brown and curly. Is the color dependent on the texture or does the question even make sense?


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Swami]
    #4187509 - 05/17/05 03:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Okay. Granted. Shouldn't have said that. However, they are subsets of space, which in itself is not dependent on anything, is it? How about time?


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4187534 - 05/17/05 04:04 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

There is no time without movement as it is a measure of movement.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Swami]
    #4187578 - 05/17/05 04:12 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

:bitch:
Anybody here actually understand relativety, which, is what your all talking about?

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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Swami]
    #4187599 - 05/17/05 04:16 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

"dimensions" are merely a mathematical construct used to explain distance and separation between points and objects.

In math, you can have "spaces" which exist with one, two, three, four, or N dimensions.

So if you can have a space with only one dimension, which obviously isn't dependant on any other dimensions (being the only one), then what makes you think a space with three dimensions requires that each dimension be dependant on the other dimensions?


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4187602 - 05/17/05 04:17 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Time is dependent on movement which means something has to be moving. That requires the space of the 3rd for the movement to take place and the first and second to create objects to move within space of Height Width depth.

Time doesn't exist without the other 3 dimensions in play.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: trendal]
    #4187609 - 05/17/05 04:18 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

In fact, I would say that by definition dimensions must be independant from eachother:

you can move in only one dimension, and while doing so can ignore any other dimensions because you are moving independantly in only a single dimension.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4187622 - 05/17/05 04:20 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Time doesn't exist without the other 3 dimensions in play.

True, which is what the original post was trying to point out.

However any of the 3 spatial dimensions can exist independantly from the other two - you do not need to use length or width to define height.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4187702 - 05/17/05 04:35 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

" Supposedly, movement is a function of distance and time."

I understand a little bit, but could you expand on this?  sorry!  I studied physics a little bit and so when I see something is a function of something else, I start seeing equations :wink:

"I'd say time is a function of movement and not 'real' in itself. If nothing moves (including subatomic particles), how can time be measured?"


there are a couple versions of time we can discuss here.  there is the "time" on earth which IS a function of distance.  we know this because we have "time zones"  in this case if nothing moves measuring anything isn't possible. Putting that aside, it would be interesting to see what happens at O kelvin. (wish I had my book with me!)

"Does time even exist when nothing moves? Can time be measured by any other means than the movement of things"

well time is a man made concept to help us explain certain situations.  Man created time because things do move.

"And one more thing: aren't dimensions supposed to be independent of other factors? If time can only be determined by using movement, which is in turn a function of distance (3 dimensions), then can it really be called a dimension?"

there are a couple of ways to take this (again).  if you take vector calculus, we can make as many dimensions as we want.

literally speaking..we have a lot to think about considering the space-time continuum, after all it is a theory.  in this case it could be iffy to call time a dimension.  not mention humans are using a version of time that is on earth, to help explain when time is like in the universe.  it could be a whole new process coming up real quick (as in a whole new field of study)


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: kaiowas]
    #4187715 - 05/17/05 04:38 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

The thing is Kaio, you can't see how interesting it would be if everything froze to zero kelvin. You and your ability to see are a part of everything. You would be frozen dead yourself.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4187742 - 05/17/05 04:44 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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The thing is Kaio, you can't see how interesting it would be if everything froze to zero kelvin. You and your ability to see are a part of everything. You would be frozen dead yourself.




:lol:  I know that!  by see I mean, being the outside...OUTSIDE observer....maybe god?    hehehehe


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4187750 - 05/17/05 04:45 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

This is a misconception, that being cooled to absolute zero causes the cessation of all motion. It doesn't.

It means the cessation of all thermal motion. Electrons still orbit atoms, and the atoms themselves are still movable.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: trendal]
    #4187768 - 05/17/05 04:50 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

but tren..I'd still be dead :wink:


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: kaiowas]
    #4187807 - 05/17/05 05:00 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yes you would be uber-dead, frozen stiffer than the stiffest stiffy :grin:


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: kaiowas]
    #4187811 - 05/17/05 05:00 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Herro~ Kaiowas....!    :heart:

Putting that aside, it would be interesting to see what happens at O kelvin. (wish I had my book with me!)
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"Does time even exist when nothing moves? Can time be measured by any other means than the movement of things"


I believe that 0 Kelvin is where everything collapses....  If there can be no movement, the atom's electrons would not be able to orbit, and everything would stop moving and collapse.... 

The question would be if these collapsed atoms would gravitate to each other and create a gravitational force of condensed "matter"....?  (a foundation for blackholes?)

But, I have not taken Physics, nor studied it(in case it is a "known" theory)....  This is just a theory of mine....  :smile:


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: trendal]
    #4187813 - 05/17/05 05:01 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yes tren, humans couldn't survive it to see what it would be like and thanks for adding to my argument in a recent post for how there is still movement in stillness meditation. :heart: :wink:


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: kaiowas]
    #4187820 - 05/17/05 05:03 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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The thing is Kaio, you can't see how interesting it would be if everything froze to zero kelvin. You and your ability to see are a part of everything. You would be frozen dead yourself.




:lol:  I know that!  by see I mean, being the outside...OUTSIDE observer....maybe god?    hehehehe




I have feeling that is what Alan was playing with that inspired this post but he won't cough up.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4187898 - 05/17/05 05:24 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

To expound some thought, if 0 Kelvin created a remote collapse like this, and also created a "one way" gravitational force(if it works like that?), would 0 Kelvin be considered 1-dimensional....?  With the collapse of space, there would be only a point of matter, and everything would be sucked into it if it created a gravitational force....(?)  But then, space would still exsist because it is not effected by gravity....(?)  Hhhhhmmmmm....

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    #4188056 - 05/17/05 05:49 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I first starting wondering if gravity pulls would still move things around in a zero kelvin state and then........couldn't put into together worth posting. I just confused and don't know enough about physics.

Would gravitational forces even still be at play in the universe if it all froze?

I wish someone could get a ball rolling on that angle anyway for fun.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4188364 - 05/17/05 06:54 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I believe that 0 Kelvin is where everything collapses.... If there can be no movement, the atom's electrons would not be able to orbit, and everything would stop moving and collapse....

I already pointed out that this line of reasoning is false.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: trendal]
    #4192370 - 05/18/05 06:13 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

First of all, I'd like to thank you all for some great posts. Even those that oppose me, I love a challenge.

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Swami said:
There is no time without movement as it is a measure of movement



Yet the simplest scientific way to predict movement is a function of time. Which is it, is time a measurement of movement, or is movement a function of a time dimension?

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Kaiowas said:
I understand a little bit, but could you expand on this? sorry! I studied physics a little bit and so when I see something is a function of something else, I start seeing equations




This list, perhaps?

x(t) = x(0) + v(0)t + 1/2 at?.
v(t) = v(0) + at
a(t) = a(0)

Where x = location, v = speed and a = acceleration, and t is time.

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Trendal said:
It means the cessation of all thermal motion. Electrons still orbit atoms, and the atoms themselves are still movable.



But if they collide, that just raises the temperature? Or is my receiver set to the wrong frequency here?

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gettinjiggywithit said:
I have feeling that is what Alan was playing with that inspired this post but he won't cough up.



Why yes, I was trying to approach the subject from a non-participating observer's point of view. Whether this has to be a deity or not, I'll leave entirely up to you.

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I believe that 0 Kelvin is where everything collapses.... If there can be no movement, the atom's electrons would not be able to orbit, and everything would stop moving and collapse....



I suppose you mean the positive and negative charges would attract eachother?

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The question would be if these collapsed atoms would gravitate to each other and create a gravitational force of condensed "matter"....? (a foundation for blackholes?)



The problem is, once they collapsed, they probably would generate thermal energy, raising the temperature above 0 Kelvin.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Swami]
    #4192404 - 05/18/05 06:22 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Swami said:
And one more thing: aren't dimensions supposed to be independent of other factors?

Where do you come up with this nonsense? Have you ever seen a box with height, but no width or depth?



I have never seen a box without time & length and height and width.
but I have seen a box with more time or less time (i.e frames of time stacked to greater and lesser degrees)


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4192460 - 05/18/05 06:40 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

But if they collide, that just raises the temperature?

Yes if they collide that implies a rise in temperature, however that doesn't mean they are not movable.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4226690 - 05/27/05 01:21 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

http://wired.com/wired/archive/13.06/physics.html

Time is a measurement of movement.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: trendal]
    #6138418 - 10/05/06 11:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Where I AM
There is no distance
There is no direction

Yet time passes.

In my dream I climb from bed, turn left into the bathroom, then walk into the kitchen to start some coffee.
This is my Life.

But I AM not moving, I am perceiving an energy that frames an illusion of walls and carpet, and distance & direction.
I'm perfectly still in a silent void.
From this void I can experience the passage of time as linear, or i can view it as extending forward and backward from any given moment.
And that is the nature of Eternal Time, that each moment contains in its passage a perfect representation of The Beginning & Ending of existence simultaneously.
It's playing out right now, in each one of our lives, as we sit and scratch and read and discover.

I can select my own dream
I can be inside anyone's mind, in all of history, and live as that person. But as soon as I leave them and return home, I have no memory of doing it, to have that memory would mean going back to that timestream.
Or I can live in the minds of thousands of people at once if i wanted.
But honestly, truthfully, I just like doing this... doing what i'm doing, being me.
I like this time line, that is why i'm here now.


Time is something that is created by Alternating Phi Ratio patterns.
And in human terms, it means that Time is a product of Consciousness itself.

There should be two words for Time.
Viewed from the eternal timeless zone, time is apart from the observer- in heaven looking at time, it is like a crystal ball wherein all events in history are happening simultaneously, and ordered through various non-linear dimensional systems, and in this sense, Time is almost like an object, it's data that supports its own existence by virtue of the data reprocessing itself into every conceivable possibility or arrangements. And when that process is finished, that is One Eternity.
There are more than one Eternities.

But when you are caught within any particular timestream, time has a different meaning, it's not substantial, it's linear and shows no models of systems or arrangements holding the consensual reality into place.
Those models can only be viewed by stepping outside of Time into the Timeless Zone.

And having the ability to do this, is really just a matter of understanding how it works.
From our human perspective we are only aware of 5 dimensions.
But, just because we can't see something, doesn't mean we can't come to understand it and utilize it.
Understanding the subtle hidden ways in which the folds of other dimensions effect our reality is possible, it just requires very sensitive and keen tools.


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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Telepylus]
    #6139203 - 10/06/06 03:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Telepylus thou shining light, how does one aquire or refine these tools?

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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Boundless]
    #6139229 - 10/06/06 03:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

it requires intrest & observation to refine the tools
and it requires love & respect to utilize them efficently

the tools are your own hands
the physical geometries of your own bodymind are all you need to situate between Infinite Time & Eternal Timelessness

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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Telepylus]
    #6141434 - 10/06/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

>I AM not moving

Arguably you are! Your brains performing processes which are physically moving. Equally everything your percieving is moving to.

>Ending of existence simultaneously

I don't understand this concept, its seems a bit abstract to me. How can you say that - when everything we can presently see points to there being a definate begining middle and end. I understand thats these are just concepts but I don't understand how you state so boldy that they happen simultaneously?

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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Ego Death]
    #6141736 - 10/06/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

1 to infinite dimensions, the higher is dependent of the lower , but the lower may not contain the higher, making them independent if you want to call it that

dimensions are hard to visualize beyond three, and string theory is a poor representation, the 5 or 6 dimension is like worm hole carving through the 3 dimensional void and so its nearly impossible to visualize except maybe as a subspace from a higher dimension,

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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Ego Death]
    #6141844 - 10/06/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

ok, i think you're saying you don't fully understand what time is, or eternity.

as much as we know about time
it is measured by the central nervous system

the human central nervous system recieves its information about time in one way, reptiles or insects see it in a different way.

time is just a fold or bend or crease impressed upon the surface of your shape, which is comprised of many different dimensional attitudes.
the way your central nervous system is perceiving the passage of time as linear, that is only your limited view of what time is.

the many consciousness centers of peoples minds, and their perception of time, and the way animals or insects or plants perceive time, these are all networking with space and meaning, and the mutual dream network maintains a somewhat coherent consensual reality.

time is a force that is bound to it's shape
which is the Ray.
a straight line.
it's totally masculine, The Father.
you can imagine it like light rays.
it exists in polarity with the Mother- space.
and trinty with the child- consciousness(meaning).

there is other stuff going on outside of Time, and it needs no Time to exist, it is beyond time, and timeless.
It is Eternity.
Eternity is like the womb that contains Time, or the Shell of a Seed.

In Eternity, everything is happening at once simultaneously.
You can think of it like this- the big bang exploding out of nothing into the massive universe, and that is one second of time.
And everything possible in Time takes place in that moment, in Eternity, but for organisms like humans, we see things very very slowed down- and that is precisely our function.

All we are doing is halting light into complex sophisticated patterns, just by thinking.

The human bodymind is a space ship capable of travelling the speed of light.
And when you travel at the speed of light, time stops, you enter eternity.
And when this happens you're still you, but you're realizing that all along you've been one with everything you've ever known and loved, and you've been tied to all the destruction and creation this planet has ever seen.

The reason why I can state so boldly that they happen simultaneously is because I have proof that it's true.
I've witnessed the manner through which NOW extends time forwards and backwards instantly.
Or you can think of it like this too-
The Beginning of the creation of the universe is happening every 7 minutes, and the Ending of all time in eternity comes every 7 minutes.
You just never notice, as you drift from livingroom to kitchen to bedroom, to work, to store, etc...
It's constantly ending and beginning all the time, you just don't notice because of Grace.
However, if you chose to take a look see at what is happening in the Timeless Zone of Eternity, you're free to go there any time.
Transcending the higher dimensional fields is really only a matter of acknowledging their existence.

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