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trendal
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I believe that 0 Kelvin is where everything collapses.... If there can be no movement, the atom's electrons would not be able to orbit, and everything would stop moving and collapse....
I already pointed out that this line of reasoning is false.
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Re: Time & Movement [Re: trendal]
#4192370 - 05/18/05 06:13 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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First of all, I'd like to thank you all for some great posts. Even those that oppose me, I love a challenge.
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Swami said: There is no time without movement as it is a measure of movement
Yet the simplest scientific way to predict movement is a function of time. Which is it, is time a measurement of movement, or is movement a function of a time dimension?
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Kaiowas said: I understand a little bit, but could you expand on this? sorry! I studied physics a little bit and so when I see something is a function of something else, I start seeing equations
This list, perhaps?
x(t) = x(0) + v(0)t + 1/2 at?. v(t) = v(0) + at a(t) = a(0)
Where x = location, v = speed and a = acceleration, and t is time.
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Trendal said: It means the cessation of all thermal motion. Electrons still orbit atoms, and the atoms themselves are still movable.
But if they collide, that just raises the temperature? Or is my receiver set to the wrong frequency here?
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gettinjiggywithit said: I have feeling that is what Alan was playing with that inspired this post but he won't cough up.
Why yes, I was trying to approach the subject from a non-participating observer's point of view. Whether this has to be a deity or not, I'll leave entirely up to you.
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eMotionALLmotion said: I believe that 0 Kelvin is where everything collapses.... If there can be no movement, the atom's electrons would not be able to orbit, and everything would stop moving and collapse....
I suppose you mean the positive and negative charges would attract eachother?
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The question would be if these collapsed atoms would gravitate to each other and create a gravitational force of condensed "matter"....? (a foundation for blackholes?)
The problem is, once they collapsed, they probably would generate thermal energy, raising the temperature above 0 Kelvin.
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Edited by Alan Stone (05/18/05 06:14 PM)
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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Swami]
#4192404 - 05/18/05 06:22 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Swami said: And one more thing: aren't dimensions supposed to be independent of other factors?
Where do you come up with this nonsense? Have you ever seen a box with height, but no width or depth?
I have never seen a box without time & length and height and width. but I have seen a box with more time or less time (i.e frames of time stacked to greater and lesser degrees)
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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Alan Stone]
#4192460 - 05/18/05 06:40 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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But if they collide, that just raises the temperature?
Yes if they collide that implies a rise in temperature, however that doesn't mean they are not movable.
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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Alan Stone]
#4226690 - 05/27/05 01:21 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Time & Movement [Re: trendal]
#6138418 - 10/05/06 11:55 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Where I AM There is no distance There is no direction
Yet time passes.
In my dream I climb from bed, turn left into the bathroom, then walk into the kitchen to start some coffee. This is my Life.
But I AM not moving, I am perceiving an energy that frames an illusion of walls and carpet, and distance & direction. I'm perfectly still in a silent void. From this void I can experience the passage of time as linear, or i can view it as extending forward and backward from any given moment. And that is the nature of Eternal Time, that each moment contains in its passage a perfect representation of The Beginning & Ending of existence simultaneously. It's playing out right now, in each one of our lives, as we sit and scratch and read and discover.
I can select my own dream I can be inside anyone's mind, in all of history, and live as that person. But as soon as I leave them and return home, I have no memory of doing it, to have that memory would mean going back to that timestream. Or I can live in the minds of thousands of people at once if i wanted. But honestly, truthfully, I just like doing this... doing what i'm doing, being me. I like this time line, that is why i'm here now.
Time is something that is created by Alternating Phi Ratio patterns. And in human terms, it means that Time is a product of Consciousness itself.
There should be two words for Time. Viewed from the eternal timeless zone, time is apart from the observer- in heaven looking at time, it is like a crystal ball wherein all events in history are happening simultaneously, and ordered through various non-linear dimensional systems, and in this sense, Time is almost like an object, it's data that supports its own existence by virtue of the data reprocessing itself into every conceivable possibility or arrangements. And when that process is finished, that is One Eternity. There are more than one Eternities.
But when you are caught within any particular timestream, time has a different meaning, it's not substantial, it's linear and shows no models of systems or arrangements holding the consensual reality into place. Those models can only be viewed by stepping outside of Time into the Timeless Zone.
And having the ability to do this, is really just a matter of understanding how it works. From our human perspective we are only aware of 5 dimensions. But, just because we can't see something, doesn't mean we can't come to understand it and utilize it. Understanding the subtle hidden ways in which the folds of other dimensions effect our reality is possible, it just requires very sensitive and keen tools.
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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Telepylus]
#6139203 - 10/06/06 03:17 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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Telepylus thou shining light, how does one aquire or refine these tools?
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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Boundless]
#6139229 - 10/06/06 03:32 AM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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it requires intrest & observation to refine the tools and it requires love & respect to utilize them efficently
the tools are your own hands the physical geometries of your own bodymind are all you need to situate between Infinite Time & Eternal Timelessness
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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Telepylus]
#6141434 - 10/06/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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>I AM not moving
Arguably you are! Your brains performing processes which are physically moving. Equally everything your percieving is moving to.
>Ending of existence simultaneously
I don't understand this concept, its seems a bit abstract to me. How can you say that - when everything we can presently see points to there being a definate begining middle and end. I understand thats these are just concepts but I don't understand how you state so boldy that they happen simultaneously?
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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Ego Death]
#6141736 - 10/06/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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1 to infinite dimensions, the higher is dependent of the lower , but the lower may not contain the higher, making them independent if you want to call it that
dimensions are hard to visualize beyond three, and string theory is a poor representation, the 5 or 6 dimension is like worm hole carving through the 3 dimensional void and so its nearly impossible to visualize except maybe as a subspace from a higher dimension,
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Re: Time & Movement [Re: Ego Death]
#6141844 - 10/06/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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ok, i think you're saying you don't fully understand what time is, or eternity.
as much as we know about time it is measured by the central nervous system
the human central nervous system recieves its information about time in one way, reptiles or insects see it in a different way.
time is just a fold or bend or crease impressed upon the surface of your shape, which is comprised of many different dimensional attitudes. the way your central nervous system is perceiving the passage of time as linear, that is only your limited view of what time is.
the many consciousness centers of peoples minds, and their perception of time, and the way animals or insects or plants perceive time, these are all networking with space and meaning, and the mutual dream network maintains a somewhat coherent consensual reality.
time is a force that is bound to it's shape which is the Ray. a straight line. it's totally masculine, The Father. you can imagine it like light rays. it exists in polarity with the Mother- space. and trinty with the child- consciousness(meaning).
there is other stuff going on outside of Time, and it needs no Time to exist, it is beyond time, and timeless. It is Eternity. Eternity is like the womb that contains Time, or the Shell of a Seed.
In Eternity, everything is happening at once simultaneously. You can think of it like this- the big bang exploding out of nothing into the massive universe, and that is one second of time. And everything possible in Time takes place in that moment, in Eternity, but for organisms like humans, we see things very very slowed down- and that is precisely our function.
All we are doing is halting light into complex sophisticated patterns, just by thinking.
The human bodymind is a space ship capable of travelling the speed of light. And when you travel at the speed of light, time stops, you enter eternity. And when this happens you're still you, but you're realizing that all along you've been one with everything you've ever known and loved, and you've been tied to all the destruction and creation this planet has ever seen.
The reason why I can state so boldly that they happen simultaneously is because I have proof that it's true. I've witnessed the manner through which NOW extends time forwards and backwards instantly. Or you can think of it like this too- The Beginning of the creation of the universe is happening every 7 minutes, and the Ending of all time in eternity comes every 7 minutes. You just never notice, as you drift from livingroom to kitchen to bedroom, to work, to store, etc... It's constantly ending and beginning all the time, you just don't notice because of Grace. However, if you chose to take a look see at what is happening in the Timeless Zone of Eternity, you're free to go there any time. Transcending the higher dimensional fields is really only a matter of acknowledging their existence.
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