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Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear?
    #4182519 - 05/16/05 04:21 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I was thinking about using geometry to figure out when my jars will be finish colonizing that is if the mycelium grows at a linear rate.. theoretically i could measure the rate of the mycelium growth in inches lets say every two days then find the radius of the top and bottom of the jars multiply times 3.14, add them together. My gusse in inches is 12.56, then find the volume of the cylinder and add together, divide, the growth rate of the mycelium and have a good estimate on my jars birthday, this would only work if the rate of growth is linear.. Just wandering, Thanks


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4182533 - 05/16/05 04:27 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

would be cool if it works...but i doubt it will...the best you could do with that is get a ball park...try it let us know


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: Retired]
    #4182545 - 05/16/05 04:34 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

No it isnt, its exponential. It gets faster and faster as it grows and becomes larger..then slower and slower once it gets to the finishing up points. It usually doesnt slow down in grain jars because you shake them so the mycelium doesnt have to reach as far from the starting points as PF Tek jars..


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4182883 - 05/16/05 05:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i doubt any cycle or part of nature is linear.


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: jamsandwich]
    #4182921 - 05/16/05 05:59 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

look at the big brains on you fucks, what about if you shake the jar


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: tahoe]
    #4183015 - 05/16/05 06:21 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Life isn't linear, nor is it geometrical. When inmensurable Chaos and amensurable harmony reunite, Life springs!!

On a less hippie note, no, I don't think that'd work.


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: tahoe]
    #4183071 - 05/16/05 06:35 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I believe scat covered that topic tahoe.


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4183258 - 05/16/05 07:24 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

most kinetic, dynamic rates in nature are "sigmoidal" as I would suspect myco growth is... the function pretty much looks like a rounded, backwards "Z". I could give you some equations to start with, but unless you feel like opening up jars and testing them, you wouldn't have much chance of finding the right fitting parameters


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: drugsaregood]
    #4183273 - 05/16/05 07:26 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I should have read more carefully. Scat has it correct


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: drugsaregood]
    #4183388 - 05/16/05 07:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

When i said linear i meant,well actually I'm going to put it this way, everything and everyone "alive" has a genetic make up each different from one another, now if i apply this cheap logic to growing mushrooms, i would say each spore has a genetic make up different from one another, spore's like humans have a life span a growth rate as well as many other things, the difference is mycelium unlike humans grows dependent on environment.. And i gusse in some ways you could say humans do as well. To get to the point, when a women gets pregnant a doctor can give an estimated dates, granted sometimes way off but for the most part it is a conventional method of calculating a birth date, and I'm not implying the sciences are even remotely the same! But what I am saying is that given the same environment a spore and or hypea will grow according to its own make up as well as other factors.. If i can take a single jar and learn the growth parameters i could apply that to other jars, then incorporate the math, right? well even with exponential rates, there is a pattern a way of tracking, and I'm just trying to figure that out.. I know its mundane but its something i am interested in.. thanks


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4183425 - 05/16/05 07:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

By the way drugs are good, im sorry if i wasnt clear enough but i wasnt refering to the logistic curve, but it dose play in as a factor


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4183475 - 05/16/05 08:01 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I think that would involve a LOT of experimenting over a lot of years and over a lot of enviromental factors, since we all know it's impossible to get everything the same all the time...

Why don't let it grow at its own pace? :grin: It will.


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4183476 - 05/16/05 08:02 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

you've got a good analogy going, the similarity between the oxygen breathing species on this planet has not been missed by many mycologists. The only problem with your pregnancy comparison is that mycellium is growing towards sexual maturity and reproduction, no longer simply physiological development (germination).


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: drugsaregood]
    #4183512 - 05/16/05 08:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Which is exactly what i am picturing, in order to find the exponential growth rate, i have know the growth parameters after germination, I'm leaning towards learning faster more efficient ways growing mushrooms, I also would like to know the precise conditions in which mycelium will grow at its optimum. I'm looking into chemistry to find more suitable substrate.. for instance on a larger scale, instead of using the tit, I'm using thermostat controlled compact refrigerators, 3 jars germinated in twenty four hours, and then 6 more in fourty eight hours, and right now its been four days and i have twelve jars growing very quickly, But id like to be able to precisely calculate the spore/s growth parameters as an individual..


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4183687 - 05/16/05 09:01 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i like baked goods.


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: tezcatlipoca]
    #4183706 - 05/16/05 09:05 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

just baked here


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: drugsaregood]
    #4184041 - 05/16/05 10:11 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

is what you want to look into would be using agar/cardboard. (most likely agar) to isolate vigorus substrains and then using liquid cultures inoculate grain and do grain to grain transfers and possibly spawn to poo and make a large thick casing.

that would be the best way to make the most the fastest myceliums.



don't let the mushrooms fruit though; cuz that'd be a felony ;-).


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: 4hodmt]
    #4184064 - 05/16/05 10:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

baked goods are badass as well.


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: 4hodmt]
    #4184167 - 05/16/05 10:43 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

im pretty sure my head just exploded


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Re: Is the speed at which mycelium grows linear? [Re: divinityinfinity]
    #4184173 - 05/16/05 10:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i have a better question. At which speed do you think explosive diarrhea exits the body in order to stick good enough to with stand the force of water washing it off the porcelain when you flush???


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