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Offlinemamasharones
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For all the MOTHERS in the crowd
    #4182469 - 05/16/05 03:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Wondering if there are any mommas out there that smoked the ganja during pregnancy?

Or any other substances.......


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: mamasharones]
    #4182477 - 05/16/05 04:03 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I would play it safe, you know?


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: mamasharones]
    #4182487 - 05/16/05 04:09 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

i wouldnt smoke heavily if much at all. But a lil puff i would assume wouldnt hurt.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: mamasharones]
    #4182495 - 05/16/05 04:13 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I smoked weed right through my wifes pregnancy. I found it really helped me relax.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: mamasharones]
    #4182502 - 05/16/05 04:15 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Why would you consider potentially condemning a person, your own child who you chose to bring into this world, to health problems just in exchange for a few moments of hedonistic pleasure that you could do less than nine months later? What other 'substances' do you envision smoking??


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: mamasharones]
    #4182504 - 05/16/05 04:16 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth7.shtml

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Although it is sensible to advise pregnant women to abstain from using most drugs - including marijuana - the weight of scientific evidence indicates that marijuana has few adverse consequences for the developing human fetus.




Anectodally, I've known many mothers who smoked pot either intentionally or unintentionally during pregnancy and their children turned out fine. Many of them were unable to keep food down due to severe morning sickness and in some instances the use of marijuana was beneficial, as it calmed the nausea and allowed the mothers to eat again.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: mamasharones]
    #4182512 - 05/16/05 04:18 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

NO...I didn't smoke it during pregnancy.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: mamasharones]
    #4182513 - 05/16/05 04:19 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Here's my advice:

DON'T!!!!!

Life is too fragile to fuck around with, smoking anything is probably bad for a fetus. I'm all about the ganj but I think it's wrong to get your pets high and it's even worse to smoke during pregnancy.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: mamasharones]
    #4182536 - 05/16/05 04:28 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Don't you think it should be your son/daughter's choice if they want to smoke?


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: adrug]
    #4182544 - 05/16/05 04:34 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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adrug said:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth7.shtml

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Although it is sensible to advise pregnant women to abstain from using most drugs - including marijuana - the weight of scientific evidence indicates that marijuana has few adverse consequences for the developing human fetus.




Anectodally, I've known many mothers who smoked pot either intentionally or unintentionally during pregnancy and their children turned out fine. Many of them were unable to keep food down due to severe morning sickness and in some instances the use of marijuana was beneficial, as it calmed the nausea and allowed the mothers to eat again.




That's not exactly an unbiased source, and there is a lot we don't know about marijuana's long-term effects on adults, much less fetuses.

Anecdotally I was just visiting a woman a few weeks ago who drank wine and smoked ciggs all the way through both her pregnancies and her children are great. There are pack-a-dayers who live past 90. Anecdotal means shit.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Tao]
    #4182568 - 05/16/05 04:45 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I wasn't advocating anything, relax buddy... we all know erowid isn't a scientific journal or anything. I don't think I need to point that out.

I'll admit that I am a bit surprised by some of the reactions to this thread though.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Tao]
    #4182583 - 05/16/05 04:48 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

"Why would you consider potentially condemning a person, your own child who you chose to bring into this world, to health problems just in exchange for a few moments of hedonistic pleasure that you could do less than nine months later?"

"DON'T!!!!! Life is too fragile to fuck around with, smoking anything is probably bad for a fetus. I'm all about the ganj but I think it's wrong to get your pets high and it's even worse to smoke during pregnancy."


Frankly, i'd consider you a shitty mother if you did recreational drugs while pregnant. But then again, its your fetus.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: adrug]
    #4182598 - 05/16/05 04:53 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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I wasn't advocating anything, relax buddy




Well it certainly came across that way. I wasn't attacking you, just what was being insinuated. You'll excuse me if I am a bit more empassioned when we're talking about a real person rather than engaging in an abstract political discussion.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Worf]
    #4182609 - 05/16/05 04:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

outputrotation said:
Don't you think it should be your son/daughter's choice if they want to smoke?



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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Tao]
    #4182610 - 05/16/05 04:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

From what I gathered from the original post, the poster was simply asking a question and not asking for personal advice. No need to start attacking them for something so ambigious, right?


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: adrug]
    #4182617 - 05/16/05 04:57 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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From what I gathered from the original post, the poster was simply asking a question




Don't play dumb, she was looking for validation.

And if you'll read what I wrote, I never actually attacked or insulted her.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Tao]
    #4182630 - 05/16/05 05:00 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Don't play dumb




:lol: Unfortunately I was doing no such thing, I guess I'm just actually dumb.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: mamasharones]
    #4182659 - 05/16/05 05:10 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

wait...do you live in a compound somewhere in the deep south?


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: afoaf]
    #4182799 - 05/16/05 05:35 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

my friends babys mama smoked when she was pregnant, totally extreme pre-mature birth, low birthwieght, under developed organs(on account of the premature birth, the child lived in an incubator type machine for like the first year of his life.
The kid is still alive, but he's got some health problems, and possibly some mental ones.
But who says the herb was to blame for all of that?
maybe it's 'cause she ate McDonalds?


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: afoaf]
    #4182807 - 05/16/05 05:36 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

it might not hurt the baby but if johny law sees you tokin while the belly is pokin your going to lose the baby to the state


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: roby000]
    #4182933 - 05/16/05 06:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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roby000 said:
it might not hurt the baby but if johny law sees you tokin while the belly is pokin your going to lose the baby to the state




now thats some funny shit.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: mamasharones]
    #4182978 - 05/16/05 06:14 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I gave everything up the moment I found out I was pregnant.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Grizz]
    #4183027 - 05/16/05 06:24 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

You rock grizz :sun:


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: roby000]
    #4183061 - 05/16/05 06:32 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Some of the Leading mid-wifery books and teachers advocate marijuana use for things like morning sickness and difficult labor. One being "Wise Womans Herbal for the Childbearing Year." Which is in its 29th printing.

Quote from an artice called Cannababies from the latest Cannabis Culture,

"Some of the best research into the effects of cannabis-using moms have on their children has been done by Dr Melanie Dreher, Dean and Professor at the university of Iowas College of Nursing. Earlier methodologically flawed studies showed that among pot-using moms, children had a lower birth weight and were more likely to suffer Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. But these studies compared pot-smoking women who lived at the poverty level with non tokers who enjoyed a higher standard of living.

When Dreher corrected for the poverty level by doing a cross-cultural study in Jamaica,she foudn that children of pot-using women were more well adjusted, better organized, had more"robust motor and autonomic systems," and were "more rewarding for caregivers."


This article also goes on to mention that current "modern" physicians are not real adept at the problems of prolonged labor or extreme nausea. Cites refereneces like the use of Thalidomide, which was used for sever cases of nausea. Which was a huge disaster, babies were born without legs and arms across the entire world in the late 70s due to this drug. Even the drug that is currently being used, Cytotec, which is roughly related to Thalidomide has warnings from the manufacturer that it can cause abortion, premature birth, birth defects, and uterine rupture. Many babies have been born brain dead because of the use of this drug.

My point is that modern medicine puts aside the risks of all sorts of drugs and use them on a daily basis. I think some people are harshly condemning the use of this herb before doing proper research into it. Alot of medication that is on the market on todays shelfs have no true long term studies.


So, i guess when it comes to issues in labor and pregnancy lyou will be faced with the choice of two possible evils. If i were pregnant i would choose a more natural method of remedy as opposed to some modern medication.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4183093 - 05/16/05 06:40 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I quit as soon as I found out I was pregnant too.

My friends wife who got pregnant at the same time as me smoked and their baby was extremely underweight...I think she was like 3 lbs...and was on an oxygen machine for a while. But I cant really say it was because of the marijuana, because they just had a second child and still she smoked throughout the whole pregnancy with this one and she came out at 9lbs and 2 weeks late. So I dunno.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4183095 - 05/16/05 06:41 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Praytell, how is it 'natural' to light a plant on fire and breathe in its combustive smoke in order to trigger the plant's defense mechanism upon yourself? 'natural' is a practically meaningless term. hemlock is natural too.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Tao]
    #4183110 - 05/16/05 06:44 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Do praytell how extracting different chemicals from plants and giving them to pregnant women knowing full well that they can cause uterine rupture is any better. You make a very weak and invalid argument


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4183118 - 05/16/05 06:46 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

I think some people are harshly condemning the use of this herb before doing proper research into it.




Well what more reasearch do you need than a quote out of Cannabis Culture from a professor at the Iowa school of nursing? :rolleyes:  Excuse me if I take offense at some of the ridiculous assertions of that article regarding <insert scare quotes> modern physicians (the horror) due to having a father obstetrician.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4183127 - 05/16/05 06:49 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Do praytell how extracting different chemicals from plants and giving them to pregnant women knowing full well that they can cause uterine rupture is any better. You make a very weak and invalid argument




I never said it was, whereas you did infer that marijuana was a "natural remedy" for pregnant women.

I will say however that one mistake involving an unseen side effect of a drug in the history of obstetrics does not invalidate the entire field's research and knowledge, and put forth herbalists as the world's pharmacological experts.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4183128 - 05/16/05 06:49 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

And actually THC has not been a proven defense mechanism, and alot of the chemicals in marijuana are not THC. The chemicals that help in birth are oxytoxic chemicals. Do more research like i said.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4183132 - 05/16/05 06:51 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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And actually THC has not been a proven defense mechanism, and alot of the chemicals in marijuana are not THC. The chemicals that help in birth are oxytoxic chemicals.




What does that have anything to do with it being a natural remedy for pregnant women?


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd *DELETED* [Re: mamasharones]
    #4183149 - 05/16/05 06:57 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4183151 - 05/16/05 06:57 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Dr. Melanie Dreher, expert in the field of nursing, and womens medicine, also a professor. Susan Weed, also an expert in the field of mid-wifery and herbal medicince. Wrote the book "Wise Womans Herbal for the Childbearing Year" one of the leading references for childbearing.


Also i did not infer that all of modern medicine is false. But merely insinuated that you cant trust them 100%. Medicine has been wrong in many occasions and will still prove to be wrong on many more, this is why they call it a practice. Im not saying that herbal medicine is the cure all for everything. You are making way too many assumptions about my beliefs.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: KahSol]
    #4183154 - 05/16/05 06:59 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I dont think it got crazy, and I think the question got answered. When someone asks a question like that on a public forum its going to provoke responses, either negative or positive.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4183161 - 05/16/05 07:01 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

"combustive smoke in order to trigger the plant's defense mechanism"



This is what you said correct, that why i mentioned that in one of the above posts.
You say scare tactics like the opposite side of herbal medicine doesn't use them....lol


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4183177 - 05/16/05 07:06 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

And i still have yet to see you post any references on your side of the topic, so before you attack mine maybe you should post some of the opinions you've looked into.


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"I celebrate the Earth, my home, my mother, my grave, and as long as men are Man they must, if they would preserve the integrated being, do the same---[and preserve]--this rank casual hungry smelly sweaty lusting transitory body, my oozy pulpy liquid-bag-swollen body, bones, blood, hair glands, my bejeweled sex; I love and celebrate it all.  never to let men forget that they are animals as much as gods---that is one thing I shall say."

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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4183194 - 05/16/05 07:10 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Do you honestly think my point was "THC is cannabis' defense mechanism" or is it more likely my point that 'natural' is a loaded, virtually-meaningless term and that burning a plant and breathing in its smoke hardly falls under most interpretations of the term.

If you'd like to put forth unbiased research from Harvard or New England Medical Journal or BMJ or some other peer-reviewed source in the medical field, please do and I will give credit where it is due. For Cannabis Culture and some herbal book you baselessly claim to be "one of the leading references for childbearing", I will not.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4183235 - 05/16/05 07:16 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

hawksapprentice said:
And i still have yet to see you post any references on your side of the topic, so before you attack mine maybe you should post some of the opinions you've looked into.




1st page, isn't googling fun:

Pregnant women, however, should avoid marijuana: There is some evidence thatbabies born to pot smokers may have a reduced birth weight or worse. According to November's Lancet article by Wayne Hall and Nadia Solowij, "Infants exposed in utero to cannabis [may] show behavioral and developmental effects during the first few months after birth. Between the ages of four and nine years, exposed children have showed deficits in sustained attention, memory and higher cognitive functioning."
http://fornits.com/anonanon/articles/200003/20000327-141.htm

The rest of the article talks about how other people smoking cannabis is not as bad as once thought, so actually I'd say its likely less biased than your Cannabis Culture self-promoting sources.

If you'll reread what people said, they were not arguing that pot is unquestionably bad for pregnant women. The entire point is: WHY TAKE THAT RISK? <---Please, answer that one.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4183247 - 05/16/05 07:19 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Somehow you forgot to include the photo accompanying your article:



What a respectable source!


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Tao]
    #4183249 - 05/16/05 07:21 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Great, so who the fuck are Wayne Hall and Nadia Solowij??/ You give no credentials. And the Bayer company thought that 3,6-diacetylmorphine, Heroin, which was the brand name when first released, was non-addictive, again. Modern medicine has been proved wrong numerous times. And internet resources are always oh so reliable.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4183264 - 05/16/05 07:25 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, that was exactly the photo that was accompying my article, oh wait was that a attempt at humor?? Sorry didnt catch it. From what i see in that article you posted they are just stating outdated studys that were biased because of social status and the availability of quality medicine, i also covered this in the origional post.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Tao]
    #4183296 - 05/16/05 07:28 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

your sources are no more reliable imo.

look at cultures(Rastafarian's) where women smoke during pregnancy they all turned out fine.i lived in the islands and saw this first hand. this to me would be a unbiased source, more like evidence.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: buckwheat]
    #4183319 - 05/16/05 07:31 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

And where did the cross cultural study i mentioned earlier take place, oh my oh my, the sweet sweet sound of jamaican music. :rastamon:


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4183333 - 05/16/05 07:33 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.cannabisculture.com/library/images/uploads/1375-jana.jpg

^^^^nope, that wasn't humor. although it is funny in a way that it really does accompany the article.

i can google some more resources if you want just like you did, but again, my point isn't that my source is better than yours, but why risk it when the issue is clearly not settled?

mindcandy: as stated in the beginning, anecdotal resources are the worst. and I am sure not 'all pregnancies turned out fine'.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4183343 - 05/16/05 07:35 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I need to go to sleep, why don't you keep reading Jack Herer books and convince yourself that smoking weed is perfectly harmless and that if weed were legalized, it would solve all the world's problems.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Tao]
    #4183344 - 05/16/05 07:35 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I heard about an actual study done in Jamaica which actually did find no adverse effects, and even showed some positive effects. But I don't care enough to google it.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4183354 - 05/16/05 07:37 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

And you seem to continue dodging my original point from the very beginning:

Why take that risk?

Feel free to ignore everything else I've said, just answer that.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Tao]
    #4183375 - 05/16/05 07:41 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Tao said:

mindcandy: as stated in the beginning, anecdotal resources are the worst. and I am sure not 'all pregnancies turned out fine'.




well ofcourse not all pregnancies turned out fine.but if there where any negative effects im sure we would know and there would be a study done by now. ive never heard of the "Rasta baby syndrome".


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Tao]
    #4183902 - 05/16/05 09:38 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

HAHAHA, did i ever even say what i was replying to in your post, no. And i did awnser why take the risks, i stated reasons to do it for medical conditions, not for fun. Hence posting info on current drugs that have VERY harmful sideeffects.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: mamasharones]
    #4184088 - 05/16/05 10:20 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I doubt ganja is as bad for the fetus as radioactive nicotine or poisonous alcohol, but I would recommend staying away from all drugs as a precaution. You shouldn't risk any potential problems because you couldn't wait 9 months, even with the drugs with no evidence of physical harm.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: mamasharones]
    #4184119 - 05/16/05 10:27 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I forgot to add in my post. If you do decide to toke make sure to definately stop smoking a month if not two months in advance to birth. The hospitals drug test all new borns. Play it safe.

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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: mamasharones]
    #4184159 - 05/16/05 10:39 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

For those of you that don't object to marijuana during pregnancy, do you find it wrong to feed weed brownies to a toddler?


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Cherk]
    #4184518 - 05/17/05 12:34 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I quit smoke even cigs the day I found out I was pregnant..... its selfish to keep smoking while you are pregnant ... what s 9 months of your life to make sure that your child comes out healthy ... with no worrys.... even if there is a small chance it could hurt the baby why do it??


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Cherk]
    #4184549 - 05/17/05 12:47 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

It's wrong to give a psychoactive drug to someone unknowingly.

Therefor it is most certainly wrong to give it to a child while it's BRAIN is being DEVELOPED.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #4184925 - 05/17/05 02:33 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

huge contradiction.

They dont have the capacity to feel anything if theyre brain is being developed. I dont think there recepters would be ready untill the last 2 months. anyway i wouldnt be suprised if by the time thc got to them it would be metabolized already.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: buckwheat]
    #4184957 - 05/17/05 02:42 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sorry, but you are quite clearly talking out of your ass.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Tao]
    #4184968 - 05/17/05 02:47 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I wouldnt say he is talking out of his ass. He said the babys brain is developing and doesn't have the capacity to feel anything. I'm almost positive in early stages the baby will not feel "high". He also said that he wouldnt be surprised if the THC was metabolized by the time it got to the baby. This is basically true also. The "placenta" filters the chemicals. I'm sure a small amount still does get to the baby but not very much unless you smoke a couple bowls a day every day.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Tao]
    #4184982 - 05/17/05 02:52 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

yea well im pretty sure baby's arnt born thc recepters first. i dont know the exact time but from what i remember in school baby's brain devolop at a fast rate during the last months. so for some time they wouldnt feel anything atleast im pretty sure about that.


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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Gum_clinic]
    #4185035 - 05/17/05 03:11 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Gum_clinic said:
I smoked weed right through my wifes pregnancy. I found it really helped me relax.




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Re: For all the MOTHERS in the crowd [Re: Tao]
    #4186013 - 05/17/05 12:33 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Tao said:
Quote:


From what I gathered from the original post, the poster was simply asking a question




Don't play dumb, she was looking for validation.

And if you'll read what I wrote, I never actually attacked or insulted her.






Oh that real cute!

Actually I'm 6 weeks prego and I quit everything pot cigs alcohol caffeine even tylenol. I believe a child isn't asked to be brought in this world so you should give them the best odds for being healthy.

I was wondering who has continued and what the consequences were

Shit I known people to trip on LSD and roll on x while prego and their children turned out fine


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