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Offlinetomk
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Ram Dass on Tim Leary
    #4181892 - 05/16/05 01:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Rebecca: Did you get a lot of flack from your peers and friends when you
came back to the United States from India?

Ram Dass: Well, I came back wearing a dress, I was barefoot, I had long
hair, a long beard and beads. I wouldn't have noticed flack if it had hit me
in the face!(laughter)

David: What was Timothy Leary's reaction?

Ram Dass: I don't remember precisely. Tim and I weren't very close during
that period of time. He had been to India just a few years before I had, so
he understood the context from which I was speaking. When we started to come
back together again, we had by then gone in such different directions that
there were certain topics that we kind of agreed not to deal with.

Tim is a little bit of a mystery to me. He seemed fascinated by the
conceptual play around the psychedelic experience, while I was much more
about dying into emptiness. But I didn't have a vested interest in being an
intellectual or a scholar. Tim goes out of conceptual space obviously, you
only have to read Psychedelic Prayers, but the venue that he wants to hang
out in, is the conceptual mind. That isn't my domain.

Kalu Rinpoche, who is an incredible Tibetan lama, said, "Ram Dass, you have
three things to do in this life: honor your guru, deepen your emptiness and
deepen you compasssion." And that's just what it feels like to me. I live a
lot with mystery. Tim sees mystery as a challenge. I see it as a delightful
place to play, so, when somebody tells me they have just solved a mystery, I
am only passingly interested.

http://www.ramdasstapes.org/rd%20article%20by%20David%20and%20rebecca.htm


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Re: Ram Dass on Tim Leary [Re: tomk]
    #4182037 - 05/16/05 02:01 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the read and the link. I highly recommend 'Be Here Now' by Ram Dass if anyone is interested in this thread.


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Re: Ram Dass on Tim Leary [Re: tomk]
    #4182048 - 05/16/05 02:04 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

To anyone who cares, Tim Leary was a Libra and Ram Dass is an Aries, which are opposite signs in the zodiac.

:wink:


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Re: Ram Dass on Tim Leary [Re: Adamist]
    #4182334 - 05/16/05 03:17 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

leary loved the FBI


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Re: Ram Dass on Tim Leary [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #4182379 - 05/16/05 03:28 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah I'm sure you knew him well enough to say that.


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Re: Ram Dass on Tim Leary [Re: Adamist]
    #4182395 - 05/16/05 03:34 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Of course I did. Who do you think arrested him in the first place?


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Re: Ram Dass on Tim Leary [Re: Adamist]
    #4182456 - 05/16/05 03:54 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I have much respect for Ram Dass. I think that his emphasis on service to others shows a much more developed sense of spirituality then Leary's emphasis on LSD. Be Here Now is the next book I'm going to buy. I wish Ram Dass went into more details on his differences with Leary, though.

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Re: Ram Dass on Tim Leary [Re: tomk]
    #4184004 - 05/16/05 10:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I read somewhere that when Dass became open about his bisexuality, Leary treated him differently... or so it was perceived by Dass. :wink:


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Re: Ram Dass on Tim Leary [Re: tomk]
    #4186207 - 05/17/05 01:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Interesting. I would like to find the audio book of "Be Here Now" read by Ram Dass.

Even more than that, I'd love to have his record "Here We All Are" from the sixties in mp3 form. I don't know that either of those exist in digital form.





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Re: Ram Dass on Tim Leary [Re: Learyfan]
    #4186379 - 05/17/05 02:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I'll keep my eye out for those. I'd like to hear them as well.


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