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Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview
    #4175947 - 05/14/05 09:37 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I have the Criterion Collection of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, which, among other things, includes an interview with Thompson (2002) throughout the entire movie, where some girl, I believe the producer or such, talks to him. They digress off topic quite a bit, and Thompson makes a lot of weird random noises, but one of the most interesting parts was when she asked him about Leary.

In response, Thompson said Leary was one of the worst things that ever happened to the 60s. He said that Leary was an FBI informant who turned people in, and that Leary was just doing a bunch of bullshit to mislead the eager youth.

He also talked about how when Leary was 18, Leary said he either wanted to be a priest, a soldier or a cop, and Thompson was talking about how Leary was so misguided in life that he was just bringing others down with him as he got older.

In other words, Thompson really hates Leary, and says the 60s would've been much better without an informant, a snitch and a useless bullshitter like Leary.

In fact, the whole interview's interesting, I highly recommend the Criterion Collection if you like Fear and Loathing.


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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: Ravus]
    #4176899 - 05/15/05 02:51 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

What's the little monologue in Fear and Loathing about Timothy Leary, righ before he mentions something about how if you get on top of a hill in Los Vegas and look west you can almost see the high water mark?


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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: Hooty]
    #4177182 - 05/15/05 05:13 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

We are all wired into a survival trip now. No more of the speed that fueled that 60's. That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling "consciousness expansion" without ever giving a thought to the grim meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the people who took him seriously... All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy Peace and Understanding for three bucks a hit. But their loss and failure is ours too. What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped create... a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody... or at least some force - is tending the light at the end of the tunnel.


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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: Ravus]
    #4178697 - 05/15/05 04:35 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

What part of the movie does he talk about Leary? Around where that^ part is? I have the Criterion Collection, but I never watched the entire Thompson commentary.


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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: Letto]
    #4178772 - 05/15/05 04:58 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

at the matrix club. The same scene where the real thompson is in the movie.


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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: Jim]
    #4178776 - 05/15/05 04:59 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

maybe not


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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: Ravus]
    #4178799 - 05/15/05 05:08 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Rubbish.

I admit that the situation with his semi-narcing on the Weather Underground was messed up(no one was arrested as a result of his information), but there's no way he worked for the FBI. The best thing he could have done for the FBI was to disappear from the public eye forever. He did not do that.

Sorry Hunter, you're way off on this one.





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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: Ravus]
    #4178826 - 05/15/05 05:16 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I believe he talks about Leary in Hell's Angels also. I'll look later when I have more time


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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: Learyfan]
    #4179629 - 05/15/05 09:10 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Rubbish.

I admit that the situation with his semi-narcing on the Weather Underground was messed up(no one was arrested as a result of his information), but there's no way he worked for the FBI. The best thing he could have done for the FBI was to disappear from the public eye forever. He did not do that.

Sorry Hunter, you're way off on this one.





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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: Learyfan]
    #4179697 - 05/15/05 09:30 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

How do you know that though?


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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: faslimy]
    #4179727 - 05/15/05 09:37 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I read some of the FBI Leary documents... pretty detailed, at least the parts not blacked out with marker....


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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: faslimy] * 1
    #4179733 - 05/15/05 09:38 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

His name is Learyfan. Look, it's been brought up time and time again, but he's not about to think a single bad thing about Leary.


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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: Learyfan]
    #4179744 - 05/15/05 09:40 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

and what do you think of this critical point :

"What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped create... a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody... or at least some force - is tending the light at the end of the tunnel. "

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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: vampirism]
    #4179749 - 05/15/05 09:41 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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His name is Learyfan. Look, it's been brought up time and time again, but he's not about to think a single bad thing about Leary.




Agreed. His opinion on anything to do with this subject is null.


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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: Jim]
    #4179753 - 05/15/05 09:42 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

p.s. what character does thompson play?


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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: vampirism]
    #4180085 - 05/15/05 10:54 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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and what do you think of this critical point :

"What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped create




He didn't take anything down with him.



Quote:


... a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody... or at least some force - is tending the light at the end of the tunnel. "





He's saying the hippies were blindly optimistic. They had every right to be optimistic until the government started really cracking down. LSD would have facilitated a step up in human evolution, IMO.







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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: Learyfan]
    #4180195 - 05/15/05 11:16 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Honestly, I don't know the entire situation, and I imagine no one does other than possibly Leary and the FBI. Thompson must've spent 5 minutes or so just talking about his disgust with Leary, even though I don't know how much of it is actually true, but that Leary had his daughter put his pot in her panties to cross the Mexican border and then she got caught, how he was a snitch, etc. The Weatherman narcing part is the only part that I know is true, and that itself is fucked up for supposedly one of the idols of the 60s.

Hunter also talked about the Leary-like idea that acid should be taken in the company of an experienced tripper or psychologist, and said that his way of dropping acid was to eat it and then go mingle out with the public.

Too bad Hunter's gone, he truely was a unique man.


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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: Ravus]
    #4180264 - 05/15/05 11:34 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

yeah. i don't know much about him, i'm gonna start reading his stuff after i finish the books i'm reading right now.


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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: Learyfan]
    #4180463 - 05/16/05 12:27 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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LSD would have facilitated a step up in human evolution, IMO. 




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Re: Fear and Loathing Hunter Interview [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4180468 - 05/16/05 12:28 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Learyfan said:
LSD would have facilitated a step up in human evolution, if leary didn't screw us over with the FBI.




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