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Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue)
    #4169757 - 05/13/05 06:50 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)




This is a photo of a plant 2 weeks old shoot some weeks ago. Now it has grown ever more and it seems to be growing at a good rate

It was somehow tricky to grow it and attention should be paid to some factors.

-Even from the beginning it responds good to some direct sunlight. When young its better to position it so that it gets some direct sun early in the morning or late at the afternoon and progressively move it to a sunnier position

-It doesn?t like soil and ambient humidity even as seeding. Ambient humidity should be kept very low (never spray). The soil should be able to dry quickly and it should be watered only when dry (EVEN AS A SEEDING). A nice idea for boosting the drainage is using a clay pot since the plant is quite salt resistant.

-At the time and place I?m talking about the day temperature was 20 ? 26 Celsius and at the night never was less than 17. So it?s quite important to choose the right time to get seeds on the ground. Maybe late spring is better. ( I have the impression that higher temperatures are even better)

-The only thing I didn?t like was the germination rate (10%). I tried various methods, the following failed almost completely : Soaking in water, dry toilet paper , cactus seeding method ( moist ground and air) etc.
The only method that worked (10%) was leaving the seeds on the ground and spraying them every second day until the surface is moist.
Although the sprouting rate was low , all the seeds that sprouted survived and have grown.

I should mention that for the first time it is quite difficult to feel the needs of the young plant because it is not like most of the other plants from seeds. So it might be better to apply different conditions ( mainly soil humidity/ watering frequency) to a number of pots at the same time to find out what are the best conditions.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4169831 - 05/13/05 08:26 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Wow! Welcome here Ytse and thanks for the quality info you post (Ytse is a long standing member of my forums and his info standard is preety high!)

Im archiving this method if you dont mind! By the way in Greek market i found a product called maxicrop that can help to germinate seeds! Just look at the phytohormones it contains,perfect to break dormancy.Have a look here on its description http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4167592/an/0/page/0 .

From a biology point of view,what we see with harmala may be a trade-off.SOme plants set very few,very fertile seeds.Others shed literally shitloads of seed but the fertility is low!

Are those seedling yours?

By the way i would really appreciate it if when my community goes operational again to have you as a member!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4169868 - 05/13/05 08:51 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the introduction Psiloman!
I?m looking forward...

As for the plant now! I found it quite hard to sprout the seeds. And once the seeds are sprouted it is very critical to keep them in the right environment in order to survive! I failed some times at the past
The tricky thing is that the environmental conditions they like differ a lot from most of the other young plants!

I haven?t come across the product you mentioned! It sounds interesting I will have an eye open!

Yes, the seedlings are mine!
By the way, another friend had also success growing the rue in the same location. So probably the time and the place are right!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4170419 - 05/13/05 12:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Do you have much experience growing Rue? It seems everytime I get them to 7 inches or so they just die for no apparent reason.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Chemical_Bliss]
    #4170846 - 05/13/05 02:48 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Actually it?s my first attempt nevertheless they seem to be doing good.
I?m not at 7in yet. ( 7in = 20 cm right? )

What you say makes me worry?

Is it connected to a change of Period ?
What symptoms did they have before dieing? Were they completely healthy?
How big was their pot?

Wish you greener thumb next time?


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4171254 - 05/13/05 04:31 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hmmm i might give it a go....I might even try spraying it with maxicrop,its phytohormones+Betaines (these are to resist shock) maybe could keep it to life!

By the way is the planting location in Greece? Or elsewhere?


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4173544 - 05/14/05 04:54 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

For the time being it doesn?t seem to need any help but I have maxicrop in mind!
It might proof useful in some other ?plants? I have in mind!

Yes, it?s in Greece.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4173817 - 05/14/05 09:30 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I know that Esphand can be really difficult to grow especially if the seeds purchased came from the origin that most of the bulk seeds come, which are sold as a spice but for their other obvious reasons on the ethnobotanical market. These seeds generally have a very low viability rate. Neuro had success sowing in pots and leaving them where to stand. He wrote up a nice post about it that im sure a search will reveal. Thanks for sharing and welcome to the community!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Aneglakya]
    #4185890 - 05/17/05 11:57 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Aneglakya thanks a lot for the welcoming!

Quote:

>>I know that Esphand?




I like that you called it Espand!
Espand or Aspand is the name used in Kurdistan and Eastern Turkey.
I think that it?s also called Uzarin in Turkey. One Turk I had met told that people in the East side of Mediterranean See use to smoke it in hookahs combined with tobacco!

Quote:

>>Neuro had success sowing in pots and leaving them where to stand. He wrote up a nice post about it that im sure a search will reveal.




Before planting the seeds I spend some time in the Internet , in books and asking people for the cultivation of this plant.
I came across Neuros post Neuros post and it was quite informative. I also found another interesting post here in shroomery.
And one post with pics



I want to keep notes of my experience growing this plant and then write a Tek after growing it successfully for a wait!
I have managed to collect some information and it seems that I live at the correct environment.
If I fail to grow it ?
? maybe I help someone to avoid my mistakes!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4202585 - 05/21/05 07:53 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)



A macro shot worth seeing Full size. That?s about 2 weeks latter that the former shoot.
They are growing good and they seem happy!


Something more: (REALLY NICE)

While trying to germinate some harmala seeds I tried various methods. (Wet paper, soaking in water and so on) Most of them resulted in failure. Some kind of white mold was formatting on the seeds. Instead of throwing away the seeds I threw them in a big pot that I water sparingly and it gets lotsa sun.
This was done more than a month ago and I had completely forgotten it.
Some minutes ago I saw amazed that in this pot are growing some harmala plants!!!! It?s almost at the size of the first pic. GREAT!


I should note that temperatures have gone up lately!

Suggestions:
Full sunshine
Almost dry soil!
High temperatures (at least 20)


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4235805 - 05/30/05 06:28 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

The plant is in a small clay pot (D10 , H10 )
While looking at the bottom of the pot I noticed some roots coming out of the drainage holes!
Time to transplant!

I hope that transplanting won?t create any problems!
The fact that bigger pot holds more water is an other point.
Clay pot and gravel at the bottom will be used in order to have better drainage!

During this week I?m going to add some more pics!

By the way, a question for the guys that have tried to cultivate this plant.
How big did you manage to grow it before it died?
Which period did it die?


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4239146 - 05/31/05 09:23 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Thats the most succesful atempt so far i have seenkeep up the nice work!

I wonder about the "sudden deaths" of peganum harmala...Maybe it forms symbiotic relationships with other species that ensure its survival? Im thinking of starting some Harmala plants as well and trying dirrerent methods in growing them...

Oh and by the way...BUMP! Im not letting this thread die,i love it! For us mediterranean folks Peganum harmala is a viable option. A tidbit of info,not hijacking your thread : From what i hear banisteriopsis Caapi can grow as easily as a noxious weed and its leaves contain more alkaloids than the bark! Also it contains the somewhat legendary THH (tetrahydroharmaline) that was shown to increase serotonine carriers in blood pellets and propably brain.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4243036 - 06/01/05 04:55 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the comments Psilo!

I had experienced ?Sudden deaths? only when the conditions were not right.
So I assume that plants can tolerate the bad condition up to a point and after that they give up!

By the way, the plants were transplanted. I am afraid that I wasn?t very polite with their roots (it would be better to brake the pot than taking soil and roots out of the pot ).Never the less they seem happy now.
The new pot is from clay as well. (D25 H20). I added some more seeds !

>trying dirrerent methods in growing them...

That?s the best you can do. Some of them will die , revealing the points you should avoid! Try it!

It requires wet ? tropical climate. Maybe its not so easy!
Btw I think I know someone who is trying to grow it in Greece. If I have any news I will let you know!


One pic before transplanting:



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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4243251 - 06/01/05 08:56 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

"Btw I think I know someone who is trying to grow it in Greece. If I have any news I will let you know!"

Very good! You know my mentality on "coagulation" of "minorities" like us who are itnerested in growing those plants...."Coagulate or else you will perish",and thas usually because if you have connections you can save rare botanicals,accumulate knowledge ,even form a local "coalition" of defenders of those plants...Being isolated is pushes the balance towards failure.

By the way,do you think that this person would be interested to join our...erm... "Greek Coalition" ? Wink Wink!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4243275 - 06/01/05 09:27 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Ytse, they are looking very nice!

And psilo I too have heard that the leaves of B. Caapi cotain more alkaloids than the vine, I hear its not used because it makes the brew taste bad....imagine that.

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Chemical_Bliss]
    #4243297 - 06/01/05 09:40 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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Ytse, they are looking very nice!

And psilo I too have heard that the leaves of B. Caapi cotain more alkaloids than the vine, I hear its not used because it makes the brew taste bad....imagine that.

Good luck with the transplant!




Well ,one could Manske the leaf aqueous phase and receive nice crystals! On the other hand i never completely understood those who complain about the taste,unless it physical intereferes with you,like lots of tannins that make your throat feel like paper or caustic phenols that will make you blister. When i started investigating entheogens i started it keeping in mind that they never won (or will win) any culinary/gastronomic contests! In the case of a simply bad taste i wonder this : How cant those people handle five minutes (usually even less) with closed nose to ingest the liguid and they expect to handle an experience spanning 4-6 hours?

Anyway,Manske isolation all the way :laugh:


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4243388 - 06/01/05 10:36 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Psiloman said:

How cant those people handle five minutes (usually even less) with closed nose to ingest the liguid and they expect to handle an experience spanning 4-6 hours?





I completely agree.

Even then I find that one gets used to realy bady tastes after sampling so many....I bet I would kick ass on fear factor :smile:.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Chemical_Bliss]
    #4243646 - 06/01/05 12:09 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I will try again in growing P. harmala next week. The rain destroyed all the seedling so I will have to start again.
Last time I did this : I throwed a handful of seeds in dry soil and just waited. I always had the soil dry (1/3 was river sand). 6 harmala seedlings appeared. Unfortunately they died after heavy rain.
It's not difficult. They just need sun and not to much water.
P. harmala is a dessert bush after all!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4247205 - 06/02/05 09:42 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks bliss

Psilo:
I think that he is looking forward to!
But he used to be a member of ?pateras? as well. ( Talking about hoja)
Anyway I have a few interesting locals in mind for the ?colligation?

Tinkal:
Welcome,
I don?t know yet if it?s difficult or not.
A lot of people experience problems after the seeding have poped up.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4247224 - 06/02/05 09:55 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Ah ,Hoja! He is always welcome,such as Tinkal so when i manage to develop the website you will be moderators in the coalition.I trust your choices so the locals you propose are more than welcome! Stand by for the coalition since im goign through hard times juggling between academic priorities and the coalition priorities.

I am going to further study your method and then i will plant my harmala.If you have any tips they are mroe than welcome since i want to start my go at it in full awareness. Do you think it could be reintroduced in the wild in our climate? I keep hearing Esphand grows in Greece but all my searches (even utilising help of botanic speciment collectors) have been ,quite literally, fruitless.

I would be good also if you could prepare an "outdoor" bed of harmala sprouts in the wild,propably in a place where conditions are semiarid...Summer can give you a helping hand!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4247322 - 06/02/05 10:51 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

>If you have any tips they are mroe than welcome

I?ve confessed everything I know! (clay pot , full sun etc)
Maybe you should start NOW in order not to be late

>Do you think it could be reintroduced in the wild in our climate?
Judging by the feeling it gives growing it: Absolutely yes!

I had searched in the market and only one person identified it as agrioapiganos.
He was aware of its properties!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4247342 - 06/02/05 11:04 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

"I had searched in the market and only one person identified it as agrioapiganos.
He was aware of its properties! "

Blimey! You mean its MAO A properties or its psychedelic ones? A rather interesting individual that might be...He may as well know where it grows if he can ID it. Anywat,keep your eye on this person,and also beware of "common names" i know at least 5 commonames of it that 3 of them overlap with other plants.

Im picking up a clay pot today ,maybe i will check my basement first :laugh: I could as well post results in some days,although i dont have a camera!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4247366 - 06/02/05 11:13 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I mean the psychedelic ones. I stepped into his shop with a fruited branch of espand.
Meaning a branch that had the fruit , which fruit contains the seeds.
He asked me some seeds in order to determine the inflorescence.
It seeds that he didn?t want any interference with anything psychoactive.
He told me that he stopped to merchandise kava kava, ephedra and some other psychoactive herbs!


Take a big pot ( >20cm diameter) to avoid transplanting


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4250922 - 06/03/05 02:11 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I will try throwing seeds in a dry place somewhere in a mountain, and see if they will survive throught the winter.

Psiloman : You know that eventualy I WILL grow harmala! hehe

I also read about the greek name of P. harmala. (agrioapiganos)
But..the real agriopiganos is Scorpion senna

1. (Bot.), a yellow-flowered leguminous shrub (Coronilla Emerus) having a slender joined pod, like a scorpion's tail. The leaves are said to yield a dye like indigo, and to be used sometimes to adulterate senna.
(strange , this plant is also used for dying (indigo colour) like harmala for persian red)

I strongly believe that it can be reintroduced in the Greek climate (same thoughts for Hawaian baby woodrose).
Especialy in Crete and Cyprus. In Cyprus grows naturaly Trichocereus spp. and I think it will definitely grow P. harmala.
Can an army of one can do all these research and stuff? nope. Many questions though.

And now for the question of the day : If you ask a Greek carpet maker to tell you where his red colour comes for dying his carpets, what name will he tell you ?


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4251410 - 06/03/05 07:33 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

"In Cyprus grows naturaly Trichocereus spp. and I think it will definitely grow P. harmala. "

Same in Pelloponhsos,as well as on other places.i have seen huge CEREUS peruvianus in Athens so i say,hell there could be a pachanoi in its place!

Tinkal,as far as the "common names" are concerned dont even bother using them in ID purposes: We have such rich flora and nomeclature that one plant can be found with 10 different regional names.Some boos mention harmala as agriopiganos, others even as aphganos (which is Ruta Graveolens)

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If you ask a Greek carpet maker to tell you where his red colour comes for dying his carpets, what name will he tell you ?




He would respond : "Umm,the supermarket,it comes in a bottle and is synthetic" . I have already asked ,even traditional turkish carpet makers and they simply dont know...That art is unfortunatelly long dead,and its plant lore tends to be forgoten.By the way,nice avatar,Hyosciamus Niger i pressume?


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4255143 - 06/04/05 07:44 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Ok ,so as of Yesterday my seeds are in a pot using advice from this thread. I have put 40 seeds instead of throwing in a handfull because i want to check germination rate. Now ,let me comment on the biological background of some observations.

It tends to be a common consensus that high temperature is needed as well as exposure in the sun. I can attribute this to two biological explanation.First higher temperatures mean in general quicker reactions within the cell ,quite similarly as in conventional chemistry when higher temperature can mean quicker reaction times. Here we are talking though of enzymes so one more factor comes in to play and this is the optimum temperature that the enzymes reach the peak of their efficacy.Here i mean enzymes that can move the giberrelic acid to the aleyrone layer of the seed so this will give the signal for germination,followed by enzymes that utilize the starch in the seed as well as enzymes that will replicate DNA (DNA polymerases),enzymes that will transcribe it to RNA as well as large scale protein synthesis in ribosomes of endoplasmatic reticulum.Yes,what we have here is a small "nanomachinery" factory working in full throttle.

The second ,about the sun, theory is that many seeds need light as well as heat in order to germinate.THis signals that the seed has been released from the pod ,its on the ground and on full exposure so "it better germinate before something eats it!"

A phenomenon also observed is the asynchronous germination of seeds! People plant it ,they see how many seeds sprout and may say that germination rate is about 10%.After a month though Surprise Surprise!!! More seeds come up and sprout, giving you a more that 10% germination total. This has a reason for being so: When a plant sets seeds its trying to ensure the survival of its offsprings.If all seeds sprout together then a sudden 3 day rain,or a livestock feeding of young sprouts would eradicate the offspring line.By spreading germination over the time you statistically ensure that even if the first plantets get destroyed by rain,the second by grazing then you will still have some offsprings sprouting later on!

The low germination rate observed is a perfect evolutionary mechanism that gives hard time to a gardener...If you notice in nature plants with low germination of seeds usually set many many seeds.On the other hand plants that set very few seeds display great germination rate even 99%! The first case plays by numbers,the second by quality.Thats an evolutionary mechanism that actually was developed to cope with offspring survival and nutritional restrictions a plant may fail.Keep in mind that few ,bigger,more fertile seeds is costly in temrs of energy allocation for the plants.

By the way,i notice the succulent looks of the leaves.Does anyone know that type of metabolism is this plant? Personally i would say either C4 or CAM cycle plant judging by its looks and the conditions it requires. CAM cycle is the crassulean acid metabolism cycle where stomata open during night (lower temperaturs,perfect for arid climates!) to take in CO2 using the enzyme RUBISCO.This CO2 is bound on other molecules to make crassulean acid that during daytime its going to be used in photosynthesis. If you have many plants here is a rather easy way to test if its a CAM plant: Midday cut a small leaf chew it and notice the taste.Then wait until night comes and in the early hours of the morning (even when the sun is ready to come up) cut a small leaf again and chew it.If its quite sour bingo! You have just tasted some crassulean acid! This observation is also mentioned in many ancient Greek texts of "Physical philosophers",philosofers that were part naturalists,part astronomers,part physicists.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4255610 - 06/04/05 01:06 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Nice that you started growing! Good luck!

What you said sounds really interesting but make me feel that I have to study my homework.
When it grows a little I will definitely do the tasting experiment!


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    #4256905 - 06/04/05 08:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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What you said sounds really interesting but make me feel that I have to study my homework.





Sorry about that,i wasnt trying to make it look intimidating as if im giving you "homework" (that is in the bad sense of "forced homework").Its just a little tidbit i thought should e archived on this thread,since it sheds some light on the behaviour of this plant.

Oh and by the way...i couldnt hold myself,i threw a handfull on an outdoor arid patch i can supervise to see what happens! My only worry is that my seed is pretty old...

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4256974 - 06/04/05 08:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

>Sorry about that,i wasnt trying to make it look intimidating as if im giving you "homework"

Oh, Dont worry . Its a pleasure!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4262773 - 06/06/05 09:47 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

At last, the first seedling showed up! The strange thing is tha it appeared in a pot that I didn't put P. harmala seeds. About 3 cm near an Arabian black Basil. Damn air!

Yes Psiloman, my avatar is one of my H. niggers' flowers. They all bloomed a week ago.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4262889 - 06/06/05 10:57 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

H. niger? Heh


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    #4263121 - 06/06/05 12:35 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Hyosciamus Niger...Solananceae Family.

Plant with ancient use from witches brews to oracle of Delphi. I think one common name is Black Henbane (niger,negro= black in latin)


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4265618 - 06/06/05 11:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

beh didn't read the second page.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: neuro]
    #4274669 - 06/09/05 04:14 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

i just stared some seeds yesterday.
im gonna follow the info in this post, mainly cuz its the only info i could find :frown: thxz alot for posting :smile:
nice pics and a very nice job on those plants, they look awsome  :thumbup:


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    #4275142 - 06/09/05 10:16 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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H. niger? Heh




Hehe, i actually said that because Tinkal called them H. niggers. Good info here guys, sounds like there's a wealth of ethnobotanicals in Greece :smile:


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: LiveByFreedom]
    #4275174 - 06/09/05 10:40 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

So, Perganum Harmala cultivation started to be a trend!
Really nice!

Tomorrow I'll post a new pic!


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    #4275401 - 06/09/05 12:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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im gonna follow the info in this post, mainly cuz its the only info i could find thxz alot for posting
nice pics and a very nice job on those plants, they look awsome




Thanks!
Its true that there are not so man info on the web. There is also a nice post from neuro and one more I think.

For those about to grow:
One thing that?s not mentioned is that it may take some weeks before the seedlings pop up, especially if temperatures are not high enough!


This is the latest pic. I will shoot one more using natural light.



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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4276494 - 06/09/05 05:06 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

This a common how to in growing Peganum harmala I found at the net:

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How to grow Syrian rue. P. harmala is a perennial, which means that given the right conditions it will live indefinitely, unlike annuals, which die after one season. Plant seeds in a jiffy pots in the late spring (they like warm weather). When they are large enough to handle, pot them up and let them grow indoors in a sunny window (or in a warm greenhouse if you have one) through their first winter (or outside if you live in warm climates). Don't overwater; these guys grow in dry areas. Plant out the following spring, late. It should get full sun and a dry spot; against a sunny south wall in temperate zones, it will grow into a three-foot high bush. The flowers are small and white; the round fruit contains many seeds.




This is the first seedling that grew near a black arabian Basil.



Expecting more to come in other pots. I think that this is the right time in Greece for Peganum harmala to grow. Please throw some seeds in your back yard!

Ytse : Will I be expecting to send me some of your harmalas throught mail ?  :wink:


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4290309 - 06/13/05 08:57 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Update: Almost a week ago i started my "outdoor" patch as well as planted some seeds at a pot.No signs of growth yet,to tell you the truth i didnt tend much my outdoor patch,lots of other things to do.I guess its still early to say if anything will sprout, growth could become apparent one week from now! Or less optimistically 3 weeks from now!

Anyway, i thought id let you know! We need to have more people growing this plant,ethnobotanical vendros are NOT going to exist for ever,something tells me that a wave of "ayahuasca analogue" banning is coming in fast pace! First signs in France,and now in Lousiana!


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    #4294361 - 06/14/05 07:18 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Picture update:


While repotting I threw a few more seeds.
The old ones seem happy and the new ones have poped up!

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4302771 - 06/16/05 09:36 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

hey guess what i just saw the first little white thingy start to creep from one of the seeds :smile:
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    #4306793 - 06/17/05 08:16 AM (15 years, 30 days ago)

Nice,

keep in mind:
full sun , warm , little water!

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4308262 - 06/17/05 06:41 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

Grew them before,not hard!!

Can someone clue me in again on how to use them seeds??(ethno use)
its been a while,i may still have more seeds to grow? let me look!
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    #4310250 - 06/18/05 08:19 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

Fellow Greeks? Are you Greek as well?
Come on,come on,start sprouting them again,the more people we have them growing the brighter their future,plus after a point you get to be self-sufficient so no more running to online vendors...Isnt that the goal? Being your own master?


As for me : "Houston ,i think we have sprouting!"

Today i checked my pot where i planted those little guys and i see 2 very very small plants carrying 2 long thin leaves each and their stalks look redish to me ....It might not be peganum,but in the next days im expecting some exponential growth so i can tell what is the thing that is sprouting! The two long leaves look succulent,but they miss the "upper part",the part where growth seems rod-like.I will give them some days and report back...

I havent still checked my outdoor patch i might as well water it a bit.Chances are that i might see some growth next week.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4310257 - 06/18/05 08:25 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

:laugh:

The first 2 leaves look completely different to the other leaves. After a while the ?rod like? development begins!

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    #4310278 - 06/18/05 08:49 AM (15 years, 29 days ago)

Ok,so what am i seing here could indeed be harmala....Still after some nice indoor attempts we might get seed to attempt widespread outdoor wild cultivation,since our seed will be guaranteed fresh,plus Peganum is considered a "weed" meaning that it spreads like nothing on earth!

By the way our climate is the same as California so by looking what can grow wild in california we can assume it can grow wild here as well.Why do i propose california as a measure? Because there are already many people there knowing apout Entheogens compared to our country!


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    #4323812 - 06/22/05 07:36 AM (15 years, 25 days ago)

Ok Update : The Oxymoron

I have two sprouts on my pot which im very tending towards them... I thought they were harmala but today that the second set of leaves emerging came on my faith is shaken...

On the other hand my outdoor patch which i havent tended at al,i have just thrown the seeds has about 6-7 harmala plants growing EXACTLY like the photo by Ytse...

Wow! Whou would have thought!!!!! I just threw a handfull of those seeds,at least 1 year old seeds and im seeign plants!!! Whoohoooo! This is a very very good sign,imagine what would hapen if one wacko wend around with a 1 kg back of harmala and threw them around!!!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4324008 - 06/22/05 10:33 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

Yesterday, I was in my village, alone. So I put about 5 gr of harmala seeds in my pocket and i made a long ride. I went throught places near the sea, up in the mountain, near dry soils and anywhere you can imagine. In all these places I put some harmala seeds.

I am expecting for germination, especially in places near the sea that also had many bushes, like harmala. Also the sand was good for harmala.

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4324036 - 06/22/05 10:49 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

It is true that it grows like weed. But in mediterania we have a problem. The winter.
Eaven if it grows enough, will it survive in the winter?

I am expecting a positive answer. I read somewhere that if Peganum reaches winter, throws all it's leafs and goes in hybernation.

Anyone seen this ?

Some good photos of P. harmala.

http://www.swsbm.com/Images/New9-99/Peganum_harmala-1.jpg
http://www.swsbm.com/Images/New9-99/Peganum_harmala-2.jpg
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    #4327124 - 06/23/05 02:04 AM (15 years, 24 days ago)

And here we have 2 more photos of P. Harmala
I am doing a test. I want to see if it's better for this plant to be in groups or single.
I transplanted 3 plants in single pots, and I left the 4th pot with 8-10 plats together.
I guess it will transform in to a bush. Any Ideas in not leaving them in groups and seperating them in single pots as the other 3 ?





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    #4331122 - 06/24/05 03:09 AM (15 years, 23 days ago)

A very nice experiment i guess you will be the first to find out.Certainy being single gives them more rtoom for root space!

Concerning your post about winter : We get some frost,but not extended so an outdoor cultivation could be viable.Remember that peganum is a mediterranean plant and i believei t could handle it.How else could it grow in medditeranean cliamtes that are still known to have snowy periods? My only problem is that i livei n an elevated altitutde and that might pose some problems. If you have access to near sea level places i guess it could flourish at near ser level altitudes


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    #4338556 - 06/26/05 07:32 AM (15 years, 21 days ago)

I checked my patch again today,im getting obsessive with it.I noticed this : At a point in my patch water leaks in small quantities from my neighbours garden.There the seedlings appear bigger and seem to tolerate that flow of water! It may be that because they received more water than drier parts of patch they have sprouted earlier hence had more time for growth.

Tinkal before throwing those seeds around did you apply water on them or in the place you threw them? Water is essential to brean dormancy so the seed know whne to sprout,and that is the reason you will not see any sprouting where you store the seeds because it can be hot,it can even be exposed to sun (i dont reccomend that) but its dry!


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    #4339670 - 06/26/05 06:29 PM (15 years, 20 days ago)

Yes psiloman!

In fact i did. Before throwing seeds in my village, i put all of them in water with 1 ml Maxicrop for 3 hours. I'll check back as soon as i can.

Another issue: I tried replanting seedling at age of 1 month. Bad thing! better let them grow for at least 1-2 months before replanting!


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    #4339717 - 06/26/05 06:49 PM (15 years, 20 days ago)

It died?

1ml of maxicrop per 100 ml of water?

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    #4342001 - 06/27/05 07:16 AM (15 years, 20 days ago)

They seem quite sensitive to transplanting , that?s why I suggested using a big pot in order to avoid repotting.

I managed to repot them without any problems (previous posts) but I felt that they didn?t enjoy it. Anyway they survived and now these guys are sound and safe!


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    #4345899 - 06/28/05 04:28 AM (15 years, 19 days ago)

Oh, man!

This is catastrophic. I don't know what happened but i counted about 50-60 seedlings in other pots that the 4-5 that i put harmala seeds. The are truly growing like "grass". So many. I am expecting by the end of September/October to have huge quantities of seed. That's more like it!


Psiloman : Yes, in a small plastic bottle of water + 1ml maxicrop and 3-4 gr of P. harmala for 3 hours. I had let's say 95% success. Very interesting this about the water. It's true that they are getting used to a lot of water. If they manage to grow near the sea and in the mountains with strong air, then it is truly a Mediterranean plant. Cheers!


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    #4345996 - 06/28/05 05:37 AM (15 years, 19 days ago)

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. I am expecting by the end of September/October to have huge quantities of seed. That's more like it!




The end of NEXT september/october you mean.I think this plant start setting infloresence the second year of its life.Does anyone know if it dies after infloresence or if it continutes to live?

By the way,you must have some very fertile seed there!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4346004 - 06/28/05 05:44 AM (15 years, 19 days ago)

errowid lists it as a perrenial so id say yes.

i intend to save most of my seeds for next year as its kinda late for sowing now.
any idea how long they will stay good?


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4346024 - 06/28/05 06:27 AM (15 years, 19 days ago)

Difficult to say,very difficult my friend.

Seed viability depends on (excluding age)

a)Conditions of storage
b)species
c)Individual genetics of the seed.

On b) and c) i cannot comment.For a) a cold and dry enviroment,protected from sun is advised


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4346065 - 06/28/05 07:05 AM (15 years, 19 days ago)

Today I was talking with some guy, and i figured out that it is better to transplant (caution: ONLY in summer period) when harmala is very young. And it is not adviced to transplant when it is 2-3 months old.

The problem is the roots. It is not adviced for replanting in the summer becouse if the root system is damaged, eaven if little, the plant will die. So i did this trick I replanted two seedlings:

The first speciment had only the first two round leaves and nothing more (a few weeks old)

The second speciment had the real leaves and it was about 2 months old.

I found that every time i was replanting a few weeks old harmala, the root system wasn't very long and it couldnt be damaged. On the other hand, I found that the roots of the 2 moth old seedling were about 10 cm (it is ten time longer than the seedling, much like a baby mandragora) and by transplanting them were a very difficult job.

Conclusion: 3 of the 3 very young harmalas lived after transplanting and 2 out of 3 two months old harmalas died after transplanting. Now we are talking about SUMMER season. Not any other.

Experiment No2 : By the start of the Autumn, I will put half of the harmala pots indoors and leave the others outside covered with plastic bags, just like i do with the lemon trees to survive the winter.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4354826 - 06/30/05 11:50 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

Hmmm anyone else disappointed with harmala growing rythm?

My outdoor patch is alive but the growth is basic, whereas plants all around are growing at very good rythms... I palnted it at a semi-arid place and i dont water too often for fear of plants dying


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4355134 - 06/30/05 01:51 PM (15 years, 16 days ago)

I should upload a few pics...

Actually I?m quite pleased. Don?t expect them to grow like vines ?

(Tip: Right Here , Right Now that we have dessert simulation, ( Extremely hot n dry) watering them more often is not a bad idea, but still let the soil dry before doing so)


Transplanting is better to be avoided . Use a big clay pot right from the beginning.
It also seems that they prefer to get crowded.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4358737 - 07/01/05 09:56 AM (15 years, 16 days ago)

Distribution :

Syrian rue is distributed from the eastern Mediterranean region over northern India (Rajasthan) and in to Mongolia and Manchuria ( Shultes 1970,25*). It is common in Yemen and Negev Dessert. In southern Europe, the plant can occasionally be found on Cyprus and less frequently in Greece (Sfikas 1990,140*)

From personal search I found the book of Mr. Sfikas:
Wild Flowers of Crete by George Sfikas
Published by the Efstathiades Group, 1987/2000; 8vo; paperback; pp310+contents

(...)The Plant has also been interpreted as the legendary magical plant known as moly.
(From a quick search I found that moly might also be : Galanthus (G. nivalis and G. woronowii) ? snowdrop)

*All these were from the book "THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF PSYCHOACTIVE PLANTS"

So this is a proof that there is P.harmala in Greece and surely it can survive through winter.

So I can guess that in Greece we can't find many P. harmalas from one of two reasons.
1) Change of climate from hot (In ancient Greece) to less hot.
2) Destruction from Christianity. I've read from many books that Christianity did vanish many herbs, in order to prevent other cults to practice their rituals.

On my garden now. These are two out of 7 pots with single or groop P. harmalas.





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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4359009 - 07/01/05 12:02 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

Very Very Very nice research!

Keep in mind though that Crete and Cyprus are warmer than us.It seems highly likely though that the plant could survive so seed on! We have got so many "almost barren" landscapes with irritating bushes that some harmala could liven up!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4359952 - 07/01/05 04:30 PM (15 years, 15 days ago)

So, we need a map, and some hands to throw the seeds in these "almost barren" areas. Come on! Let's get organised!
You do the same as I did in my village. 8-9 of July I'll go back and check the progress.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4361625 - 07/02/05 12:59 AM (15 years, 15 days ago)

u should be carefull though. some pants and animal species can cause alot of trouble to the local wildlife and alot of governments have lerned to be kinda harsh about penealties.
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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4368681 - 07/04/05 06:31 AM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Here comes the photo update.
As you can see it enjoys social life :laugh:

The weather is now really hot & dry (~35C , 20 RH ) and harmala seems to make party every day!



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    #4368686 - 07/04/05 06:34 AM (15 years, 13 days ago)

lol yeah theire realy developing well :smile:
i now have 3 sproutings going on :smile:

i noticed that it is better for me to water on the dish rather then mist the soil...


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    #4368690 - 07/04/05 06:47 AM (15 years, 13 days ago)

"Rain simulation" is the best!

Do it only after the soil has dried out!


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    #4368766 - 07/04/05 08:43 AM (15 years, 13 days ago)

Ytse : They are too many on this pot. Shouldn't you put less seeds ?
They will not grow fast I think! In one of my photos I am holding a seedling. Really big roots.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4368940 - 07/04/05 10:42 AM (15 years, 12 days ago)

They don't seem to have any problem.
Contrary they seem to support one each other.
They may look too many but they are growing better than the less densely planted pot!


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    #4392071 - 07/11/05 12:51 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

So...

Out of 40 seeds i have planted in my pot 16 have emerged! That gives me a 40% germination rate ,out of seeds that have sat in at tin box for a year (at least since i dont know how long they were in.. "vendor captivity") purchased from one of those popular vendors! Thats preety good if you ask me!

My outdoor patch is doing good as well,im quite happy with the growth although under no circumstances impressed! Hey,at least they sprouted and they are growing,what more a man can ask for in his life ? :wink:


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4392099 - 07/11/05 01:03 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

According to Dioscorides it's varius names are :

Syrians : besasa
Egyptians : epnubu
Africans : churma
Cappadocians and Asian Galatia : moly (becouse it's like the other plant moly wich has black root and white flowers)


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    #4392152 - 07/11/05 01:27 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)



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    #4392207 - 07/11/05 01:44 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

Apart from the fact that i dont undestand a word on the links you give this one is suspicious

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http://web.kyoto-inet.or.jp/people/tiakio/HN/peganon.html




Click on the bottom to see the "Ruta Graveolens" photo...Hmmm,it takes you to the reputed "Peganon" photo.Ruta graveolens is known as Peganon but it has nothing to do with Peganum Harmala. Veeeeeery Veeeeeeeery carefull with common names ,they usually point out wrong plants.Personally i would check "local" and "emperical" names talking to people to help me find a plant,but before checking it i wouldnt up my hopes...Many people have shown me "agriopiganon" which ended up to be...Ruta Graveolens!

Indeed,look at the picture at the bottom what it spells out



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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4393001 - 07/11/05 05:26 PM (15 years, 5 days ago)

thats a really neat pictures thanks


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    #4394114 - 07/12/05 12:18 AM (15 years, 5 days ago)

yeah it rocks dude

Psiloman: Do you know the names of the plants that tell you that are agriopiganos ?


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4395132 - 07/12/05 08:43 AM (15 years, 5 days ago)

Photo update:



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    #4395275 - 07/12/05 10:50 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

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Psiloman: Do you know the names of the plants that tell you that are agriopiganos ?




Its usually Ruta Graveolens. Ruta Graveolens is also the picture in my signature post that..."rocks". It rocks,but it aint Peganum Harmala!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4395415 - 07/12/05 12:12 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

Had some sprouts fellow GREEK boys!!!!

Gonna try again and join in to see what i can do ok!!!
Had some a few years back,but the heat killed them.
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    #4396773 - 07/12/05 07:08 PM (15 years, 4 days ago)

Nice,very nice!

You havent told me though...Are you Greek or is Greek anyone on this thread except me Ytse and Tinkal?


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4398367 - 07/13/05 02:33 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

nah, as much as i love giros im not greek either...
i wish i was though, i bet it'd be a good place for carnivores...

ive built me a little greeniehouse on my balcony over the weekend and it now houses my peganum. hopefully the florescants i have in there will help em get big enuff before the winter...


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    #4398945 - 07/13/05 08:45 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

Good One!

Todai i had a nasty suprise ,which from a point of view could be a test on how resilient is peganum harmala to...attacks.Someone has dropped a shitload of rocks ,debris,soil and dead plants on my outdoor patch...I cleared it as i could ,and managed to expose the bigger of my outdoor plants to oxygen and light.They arent in the best shape,but lets see if they recover!

For Hippocrate's Sake, cant they leave my fucking outdoor patches alone?!?! From a whole field they could dump shit into ,they chose my spot!


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    #4398948 - 07/13/05 08:47 AM (15 years, 4 days ago)

damn that sucks dude :frown:


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    #4454450 - 07/26/05 08:19 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

That's why I rarely plant seeds outside my house. There is a great percentage of being destroyed.

So for another update of the plants. This weeks rains sure did help!



I hope by the end of summer they will make strong roots to keep them alive throught winter.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4454466 - 07/26/05 08:32 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Thats why i double planted bot indoors and outdoors.Outdoors where done on grounds of spreading this plant.Me and a friend also planted about 50 seeds (i know small amount) in a holiday resort so we might see some interesting surprises.

So far so good.Harmala likes our climate and it grows big.So,next step is colonising outdoor areas! (Just imagine when you get the freshest possible seed out of those babies!)


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    #4454484 - 07/26/05 08:50 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Oh this is a fucker! I had an attack 2 days ago. Some idiot/hungry caterpillar ate a whole harmala from tip to toe. The plant literary disapeared. I found her near the dead plant and I ate her too. Heh (joking)

Psiloman : Is it possible to see photos of your harmalas ? I am interested in (and if) the hight/climate changed the thickness of the plant. You are living in higher areas.

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    #4454496 - 07/26/05 09:03 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yup im indeed living in a higher area but at the moment i have to equipment to take photos.I will see if i can work around that since the only people that have digital cameras are off that i know of are off to vacation right now


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4454707 - 07/26/05 10:26 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)



They have mites. Nevertheless they dont seem to greatly bother. I will fight them ecologically (http://oisat.org/home.html)


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    #4477426 - 07/31/05 04:26 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Touching the bush of harmalas came instantly in my mind the ugly taste of the seeds. They smell the same way they taste.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4537070 - 08/15/05 09:50 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

They dont taste that bad, but they havent won any culinary awards....Well ,to be true no entheogen has won a culinary award. Try to appreciate their taste by chewing one seed at a time.Youcan develop a tste for it.Its not strawberries,but it can come close to coffee.

A small example : When i first tried beer,i hated it.For me it was vile a quite disagreeable taste.Later on i developed a taste for it and can drink it without cringing! Vodka,Ouzo and the rest distilates simply tasted to me like industrial grade solvents.Who would drink those stuff that uhh taste like alcohol and burn your throat? Later on i developed a taste for them as well.Let me not go to Gin and Whiskey which i STILL cant stomach.Yet,those brews and distilates are favorite of many people highly preffered and they bring high income to those that regulate their trade.As for their psychoactivity? Definatelly psychoactive but nothing interesting. If one can get accustomed to be able to drink vile alcoholic liquids (and like it!) one could also get accustomed to a bit of syrian rue seed. Of course there are tricks to help one with the taste (yup,you dont HAVE TO like it!) like minimizing volume to be consumed with extractions,and closing your nose.

I ressurect this thread because i have a quite unexpected problem.Enviromental temperature is high,my plants get full sunlight and water when their soild becomes dry but....they seem to object : From bottom to top their leaves start discoloring to yellow,till they completely wilt and fall...No visible signs of pests. From the start their leaves had slightly discolored spots,slightly lighter in colour , in a non regular fashion (doesnt look done by a pest) i cant describe it any better ,but they didnt seem to mind...THey just grew and grew!

I havent changed anything towards tyheir treatment ,but i can see they are not healthy. Any ideas?

I hope that even if they die they will come back from their roots again... The stems of the plants seem to get harder and harder ,maybe its going for secondary stem growth which is the woody one. Just a bit dissapointed at the health of the leaves


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4537097 - 08/15/05 10:20 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

I faced a small problem with mites. I fought against it with a bio way ( lacewings & water/flour spray) . It might be mites since its not easy to id them. If I were in your shoes I would try to give them slightly more water and spraying once in a while. Soon I will post some photos


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4541280 - 08/16/05 05:49 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

It, formed a bush!
I,ve noticed that some leaves became like thumbs. It's about four times bigger that the usual leaves. That is something. Mine never came across a decease, and I am happy for it.



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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4541439 - 08/16/05 08:23 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You guys are lucky

Update on mine : From Bad to Worse.

The "whatever troubles it" seems to progress.I sprayed it with a water/flour suspension (its not a solution since it doesnt dissolve as salt in water would).First observations : It killed my sprayer,no probs with that though i can get another. Now i hope that it does the same with the disease...Could be mites,i havent seen anything though... Something tells me im going to lose this plant and the only way to reclaim it is if it will grow back from roots.

Tinkal i suggest you keep it inside during winter.Such a beauty is not to be left to the weather whims...


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4541463 - 08/16/05 08:57 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

im having trouble too...
my plants are about an inch now and keeling over...
ive been real carefull with watering but i think the high humidity is killing them off slowly...
rh here ranges from 50% by day to well past 100% by night
unless we get some good sunny wether, wich has been very rare the last few weeks...


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4541483 - 08/16/05 09:15 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

A suggestion for vertigo: Could you transport them indoors and use an AC unit to minimize/suck off ambient humidity? That could save something if you keep them in an indoors non-humid enviroment when outside humidity reaches 100% (wow!). This high RH could be perfect for rainforest species as well as some divinorum!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4541937 - 08/16/05 12:45 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

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A suggestion for vertigo: Could you transport them indoors and use an AC unit to minimize/suck off ambient humidity? That could save something if you keep them in an indoors non-humid enviroment when outside humidity reaches 100% (wow!). This high RH could be perfect for rainforest species as well as some divinorum!




oooops You missed that they need a Lot of sun!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4542146 - 08/16/05 01:49 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

yeah, and i guess temperature fluctuations dont help either...
maybe next year ill try again in my mom's garden...


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Vertigo6911]
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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4583130 - 08/26/05 07:07 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4583147 - 08/26/05 07:48 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

Good to see your plants reviving.

Mine arent in good shape still,i have the same problem althought it MIGHT have slowed down a bit. I live near a botanist so i will show him my plant and ask him for advice.

There is something seriously wrong with my plant,but i havent got the faintest clue what it is. It keeps forming new growth at VERY slow pace from lateral meristems and the apical one's but the leaves are yellowing and getting destroyed...


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You have very healthy growth there,be sure to take all the measures during winter to keep it alive!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4583279 - 08/26/05 10:44 AM (14 years, 10 months ago)

You asked for it!









There are 7 pots totaly. I guess the secret behind theyr health is that in my balcony i always have a wind blowing them. I guess.

Two of them will go indoors during winter. This is a nice project. To see what will survive. The Indoors or the Outdoors.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4629652 - 09/07/05 01:43 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

And my plants won the battle! Vigorous growth observed and the sickness has gone away!

Thanks to Ytse and his flour solution.

Now my pereskiopsis has some short of caterpillar ,very thin having only two "parts" on the end that looks like "mouths"/"claws" (nothing on the midsection) that bites with one and raises itself on the air with the other part,they arent very sensitive to the touch...I searched oisat.org in caterpillars but it isnt in there...

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4630666 - 09/07/05 06:11 PM (14 years, 10 months ago)

my pegs are balancing on the edge of forever still...
i have them under some 36 watt florescant tubes and that seems to
be working but now i gave them to little water and what im letf with is some high stems (where the leafs have fallen off) and prettymuch a seedling on top of it...

there like little harmaline pimps on high heels...


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4744410 - 10/02/05 07:48 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Update OCT 2005 :





Come on, this is a critical season. Let me see you pics.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4788877 - 10/11/05 09:53 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I think im finaly getting the hang of this u guys :laugh:


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4900362 - 11/06/05 02:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Funny you had low germination rates. I plants a bunch of different seeds and I had left them in extremely bad conditions for a few days, no light, no heat, after about 5 days the only seeds that popped up were p. harmala. They were pretty badly elongated though. Most likely due to the insufficient light.

I put them under a fluorescent yesterday, the seedlings still arent looking too good but hopefully the fluorescent will pick them back up.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: El_Presidente]
    #4900816 - 11/06/05 05:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

actualy another 2 seeds have sprouted since that pic.
the tubes are definetly helping my plants.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4912022 - 11/09/05 01:47 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I have this in my mind. To put some pots indoors, some leave them outdoors and some in sand and leave them in dry and dark place until next spring.

Any ideas on how will I put them in sandy soil ? I don't remember where I have heard that, but it works.



This is one of the indoors plants. It turned brown and grey. I'll try keeping it alive.

I also see that germinating and growing Harmala indoors makes them very weak. Better do it outdoors and mother nature will help.

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4912864 - 11/09/05 11:48 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Dont toss anything away if the harmala "phenomenically " dies....It tends to grow back from its roots next spring ,summer.


Transfering in sand ,in my opinion, is tottaly uncalled for. You quite propably damage the root system this way .Just keep those outdoor pots away from rain...


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4916554 - 11/10/05 05:55 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

This is from someone that is growing P. harmala. See what he says about the flowers :

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I never had problems both with Harmala and Ephedra seeds.
I planted them indoor in late winter/early spring.I simply took care to water them only when they really needed since both plants seedlings are prone to root rot. Sometime add a litthe copper sulphate to the water you use. I never used artificial light with them.
Once they are estabilished they are hardy plants. I kept them indoor for the first two winters. Now they are 3 years old and I left them outside. Only avoid to leave P. harmala in the rain. It doesn't like its feet wet. P. harmala will set flowers and seeds in its third year.




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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4916642 - 11/10/05 08:18 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Hmmm i hear either about two years or three years.M<aybe flowering has something even to do with if the plant is in a pot or free in the nature to spread its roots as it please.

As an update for me : Something is officially suckign the juices of my plant.Lower leaves go dead mmostly. I accidentaly made a diagnostic which worked for me ,Tinkal you might want to check it with your plants as well http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...b30#Post4916626

My catch was very very small whitish/creamish bugs that the closer they look like is spidermites.They are nto red though.Also,their dimensions are very small to the point that details cannot be seen with naked eye.t the moment i have no magnifying glass or microscope but from some "magnifying patents" i devised (necessity ,mother of invention) i concluded they look like spidermites,with their bulbuous body...


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #5013711 - 12/04/05 02:24 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

The pot i had indoors almost dried. I noticed these green sticks though.
I only water them 2-3 times a month.



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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #5013750 - 12/04/05 02:35 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

ive had spider ites also, but i noticed them early and sprayed them with some MDK and its still going good under my florescant tubes.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #5018265 - 12/05/05 04:54 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

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Tinkal said:
The pot i had indoors almost dried. I noticed these green sticks though.
I only water them 2-3 times a month.






These "Green sticks" is peganum harmala coming back straight from the root! Good job! If you have reached this stages it more or less means that you have well develop roots that will keep on "pumping" new harmala plants! Even if the part above the soil dies you will still have plants sprouting.

Also note how characteristically different are from seedlings!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #5023157 - 12/06/05 02:01 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Yes I noticed the difference. These ones don't have leaves yet. I'll try photographed them again to see how they develop.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #5049225 - 12/11/05 07:54 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

if you get a few moments, can you address the following items for the plant in question (Peganum harmala)?

1. Climate zone (zone 1, etc)
2. Is the plant an Annual, Perennial, Biennial, etc
3. Best way to start from seeds
4. Frost - will it survive a heavy/light/long frost?
5. How much shade/sun?
6. How often does it get watered?
7. How long from the time you plant the seed til its ready for (partial or full?) harvest?
8. Dormancy
9. Ideal soil mix
10. Ideal fertilizer if any
11. Container growing tips
12. Common pests and diseases to watch out for. Also any other sensitivities the plant may have.
13. Health warnings (IE: wear gloves when harvesting tobacco)
14. Ideal propagation methods
15. If indoors, what type of lighting should be used?

Any other notes would also be helpful.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: World Spirit]
    #5092577 - 12/22/05 05:39 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

These little men are growing very fast. The bad thing is that by their look, it seems that if i put them outdoors eaven for 1 hour, they will die.



And the formation, is a bit strange. They look like big seedlings and not like growned ones.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #5092801 - 12/22/05 08:01 AM (14 years, 6 months ago)

Excellent grow! Mine follow the same trent as well.

Dont put them outside with that cold ,tried and failed,the cold can certainly damage the sensitive growth tips. Also note their phototropism!Thet turn towards light coming from the window.Try puting them under some fluoros for some time to see if it speeds up growth


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    #5312913 - 02/18/06 10:45 AM (14 years, 4 months ago)

UPDATE :

I've had some excelent resaults from the 6 speciments that I had left outdoors. After 2 months of low temperature (up to -5C) and strong winds, I figured out that the speciments never died. Instead they started growing again. I only water them once a month with Maxicrop/GRO-Greeen/geo-BIOSTAR.



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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #5584728 - 05/03/06 10:00 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Here they are . Seven of them. All healthy.





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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #5744868 - 06/13/06 06:05 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I saw some flower formations and I thought it would be nice to show them to you. Within 1 week they will be real flowers. The leaves smell like espresso coffe (yum!).





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    #5744872 - 06/13/06 06:12 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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    #5744887 - 06/13/06 06:35 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yes it's a bit difficult plant. It seems that Greece is the perfect place to grow this plant. I am very happy to try next year to grow P. harmalas on grownd.


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    #5744892 - 06/13/06 06:42 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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    #5744977 - 06/13/06 08:17 AM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Yes we have almost the same climate. They use it for spice in Turkey and also in India.
This plant can be found in nature here in Greece but not as much as 2000 years before. Back then the climate was hotter.


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    #5791582 - 06/26/06 05:23 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Finaly they bloomed!



The scent is subtle, but sweet. Very common.
The flowers are falling pretty easily and no seedpod is visible.
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    #5791627 - 06/26/06 06:11 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

did u try pollinating by hand?


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    #5791694 - 06/26/06 08:07 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

I don't know what is the male and what is the female plant. I'll try figuring them. It all seems to me like the same.

except if their flowers are perfect ... that is they contain both male and female parts.

So I just have to pick any flower from one plant and rub it against any other from a different plant.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #5791708 - 06/26/06 08:17 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

i been seeing little white hairs where it branches off from the main stem, kinda like cannabis without the bud.
maybe those are wanting the pollen from your flowers there...


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5806386 - 06/30/06 11:35 AM (14 years, 16 days ago)

I kissed the flowers with eachother. Here is the resault :



You can see the green ball formations. These are the seeds. It seems that each flower will give 3-4 seeds.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #5806390 - 06/30/06 11:38 AM (14 years, 16 days ago)

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #5807401 - 06/30/06 07:51 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

How many seeds would you expect to get from a harvest per flower?
Just wondering.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: microsporum]
    #5810230 - 07/01/06 06:21 PM (14 years, 15 days ago)

Tinkal, you are the f@#king man, congrats on the flowers, I know you don't agree with my methods, could you PM me with some tips on what you would do differently, I live in a hot arid climate. Pretty please, I hate to be giving bad info.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ngnyus]
    #9007269 - 09/30/08 11:27 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Well, after many years of experimentation, we decided to throw a handful of seeds near a deserted and dry place.

Fortunately, after 3 months when the summer ended, we found that the Syrian Rue project was a huge success! We found a lot o bushes that had flowers and seedpods. We even found seeds that had fallen to the ground!

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #9007282 - 09/30/08 11:30 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

congrats, so they thrive on neglect :awesome:


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #10396990 - 05/25/09 06:26 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Great thread! And nice to see that people are getting fruit.
I'd be interested to see some follow-ups (it's now 2009).

One point though.  A few people have mentioned spreading seeds. I love this plant, and would love to see more of it around, but spreading the seeds in the wild or 'around town' is sadly irresponsible. It would be for any species, but as we know that P. harmala is a weed, this is especially bad. This plant has a high potential to go invasive, as it already has in part of the US and Australia, and threaten local populations of other wonderful plants.

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Wilt_3]
    #10398079 - 05/25/09 09:22 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

He hasn't been seen in 7 months, it ain't going to happen.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Prof. Astro]
    #10404613 - 05/26/09 11:49 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

My strategy for growing these things is going to be sowing them in some fast draining soil, watering, then leaving them out on my sweltering hot deck to bake in the sun until they grow into beautiful plants.  Hopefully the ambient humidity near the surface of my deck will be low enough to suit them.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Horticulture]
    #14746624 - 07/10/11 06:35 PM (9 years, 5 days ago)

HEy i have sown about 30 p harmala seeds, but after they sprout, the grow less than an inch en than collapse. i tried everything, from lowering to increasing RV, lighting, draft, whatever. Also i see this is an old topic, so people that succesfully developed bushes and where able to harvest the seed pods, enlighten me and tell me im not a failure.. it's a genuine problem in wet and cold holland, but i have some hot exotic spots in my house, and i WILL get this done.. please, advise


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Cosmic fusio]
    #23162418 - 04/27/16 08:19 PM (4 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys, sorry for reviving an old thread. I just couldn't seem to find a Peganum Harmala growers thread here so this seemed the best place to post this.

I just started some seedlings for shits. I did a pretty big extraction recently of p. harmala seeds and I kept like 15 grams. I decided I would just throw some in a pot with some soil and see what happens. Here are seedlings now!



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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: jjjcmzzt] * 1
    #24242487 - 04/14/17 05:41 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I tried growing this plant many times as a single plant, which of course failed every time. It took me a while to figure out that they really like to be together.

Look at how happy they are now! :grin:



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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Azuma]
    #24246744 - 04/15/17 05:07 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

They are weird by plant standards, thrive on neglect is an understatement. The like shit soil, 70% sand and 30% peat is pretty good, and a huge pot. A couple tablespoons of a fertilizer called ironite mixed in is enough for a several months of growth. They like it hot and dry, hot and wet is quick death.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Eywa_devotee]
    #24251133 - 04/17/17 10:57 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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They like it hot and dry, hot and wet is quick death.




In my experience it's the opposite. If I don't give them water every day, they are not happy and collapse.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Azuma]
    #24828381 - 12/05/17 06:54 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Well I decided to give growing Syrian rue a go. With this and Acacia acuminata there seems to be the potential for a UK-hardy ayahuasca analogue type of combo. Seems to be one of those plants where there is no definitive best practice agreed on and lots of failed grows... I have planted half my 10 seeds in my propagators and will plant the other 5 outside in spring, if the propagator route fails. They started popping up within a couple of days.



Have moved them to my new 125W CFL grow cupboard. Lets see how they get on!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: JayWise]
    #24835100 - 12/09/17 03:17 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Syrian rue seedlings seeming to do OK under my 125W pad heated setup so far, a week and a half after planting...


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