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Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you!
    #4164745 - 05/11/05 11:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Does anyone have a recording of a show where either Neal or Ginsberg opened for the Dead?  There might be some on Archive but I think it was pretty early on when they toured together.

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    #4164750 - 05/11/05 11:59 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4164754 - 05/12/05 12:01 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup: :smirk:


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4164755 - 05/12/05 12:01 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I want a copy of the bus movie .... good luck finding a torrent of that  :grin:


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: TheDudeAbides]
    #4164768 - 05/12/05 12:03 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah dude, I'm going to watch that on Friday for a class I'm taking on the counter-culture. It's all very interesting stuff and hella fun to learn about.


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    #4164782 - 05/12/05 12:06 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4164807 - 05/12/05 12:11 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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pantsboy said:
Yeah dude, I'm going to watch that on Friday for a class I'm taking on the counter-culture. It's all very interesting stuff and hella fun to learn about.




right on man! if you haven't already done so, read "the electric koolaid acid test"




Nice! I probably will, lately I've been reading aeverything from Kinsey, Kerouac, Ginsberg, Burroughs, and I actuallly just finished reading White Shroud. I never was too big on reading, but I'm totally hooked on all the literature/poetry of that time and by pop culture icons.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: pantsboy]
    #4164813 - 05/12/05 12:13 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Well he didn't "open up" for them, but archive.org has two shows where he does some raps.

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=14718

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=15089





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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Learyfan]
    #4164837 - 05/12/05 12:18 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Nice! Thanks! I like the set list for the shows too.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: pantsboy]
    #4165515 - 05/12/05 07:28 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)



Ginsberg is a divine avatar to me


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: pantsboy]
    #4166547 - 05/12/05 01:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I have a few copies of shows where Neil and the Pranksters do some weird shit before the Dead come out.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Learyfan]
    #4166748 - 05/12/05 02:20 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

how do i use the archive downloads? To many options I got . I have dsl.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4167656 - 05/12/05 05:53 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

How do you use archive.org? You just click on the link and it downloads to your hard drive.

Ziddy: do you like NAMBLA? Don't you think it's messed up that older men take advantage of boys who may regret having had a homosexual relationship later in their life? That could really screw a person's head up.





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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Learyfan]
    #4167944 - 05/12/05 07:09 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I had sex as a youth with a man - I turned out ok, and always had deep feelings for him. Frankly, he acted as a bridge for me into the world of adulthood, empowering me with my own homosexuality. The issue of Man/Boy love is one consistently met with hysteria, despite its noble cardinal roots in other times and places.



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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: zahudulallah]
    #4168075 - 05/12/05 07:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I think that if it were a perfect world, it wouldn't be an issue. But since we live in a world that looks down on homosexuality, I think it's irresponsible to do something sexual with a confused young boy. Boys go through phases and experiment. I think the chances are good that most of the boys who have sex with these grown men regret it later in life once they've changed.

I'm not saying homosexuality is a choice, but experimenting with it is. A grown man taking advantage of a boy's "gay phase" could be extremely damaging to the boy's psyche later in life. Look at SS7. Although he was of age at the time, he thought he was bisexual for a short while (though he didn't do anything but kiss a guy). Would he regret having had sex with a guy now? Maybe not, but most people would. The point is, SS7 changed his sexual persuasion, and I think it probably happens to boys younger than him all time.

I still like Ginsberg, but he makes the counter culture look bad when he messes around with NAMBLA. I also still have nothing but respect for you as well, BTW.





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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Learyfan]
    #4168082 - 05/12/05 07:36 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm not saying homosexuality is a choice, but experimenting with it is. A grown man taking advantage of a boy's "gay phase" could be extremely damaging to the boy's psyche later in life. Look at SS7. Although he was of age at the time, he thought he was bisexual for a short while (though he didn't do anything but kiss a guy). Would he regret having had sex with a guy now? Maybe not, but most people would. The point is, SS7 changed his sexual persuasion, and I think it probably happens to boys younger than him all time.



Two things:

1. I was 19 at the time. I didn't even start questioning my sexuality until I was legally an adult.
2. I don't regret it. It was a valuable learning experience that helped me grow as a person.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Learyfan]
    #4168128 - 05/12/05 07:48 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Not only did Allen Ginsberg join NAMBLA, he dedicated most of his activism in the 90's to Boylove emancipation. Everyone around him of course raised an eye brow, however he would always bark back from his own experience that the hysteria over pederasty reminded him of how homosexuals were treated when he was growing up in the 1930's. Remember, the counter culture at one point had no tolerance for homosexuals.

Not to mention Allen Ginsberg was a boylover himself, and that's what boylovers do; they join NAMBLA and become activists for their liberation.

It's a matter of civil rights and emancipation. Men and boys in consensual relationships have every right to be free from inquisition. Young people are the bitter last frontier of the sexual revolution. They are currently regarded as women were before feminism.



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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Silversoul]
    #4168229 - 05/12/05 08:14 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm not saying homosexuality is a choice, but experimenting with it is. A grown man taking advantage of a boy's "gay phase" could be extremely damaging to the boy's psyche later in life. Look at SS7. Although he was of age at the time, he thought he was bisexual for a short while (though he didn't do anything but kiss a guy). Would he regret having had sex with a guy now? Maybe not, but most people would. The point is, SS7 changed his sexual persuasion, and I think it probably happens to boys younger than him all time.



Two things:

1. I was 19 at the time. I didn't even start questioning my sexuality until I was legally an adult.
2. I don't regret it. It was a valuable learning experience that helped me grow as a person.




Yes, I already said that you were of age at the time and that you might not regret it. I was just using you as an example because you had changed your sexual persuasion. Image a grown man taking advantage of a 13 year old boy going through a similar phase. It could be extremely damaging to the boy once the phase is over.


Ziddy: I think that where we differ is at the word "consent". I think that a boy 16 years of age is the absolute youngest that any grown man should be sexually involved with. I don't know what age you're talking about.





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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Learyfan]
    #4168237 - 05/12/05 08:16 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Anything above puberty with boys.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Learyfan]
    #4168262 - 05/12/05 08:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes, I already said that you were of age at the time and that you might not regret it. I was just using you as an example because you had changed your sexual persuasion. Image a grown man taking advantage of a 13 year old boy going through a similar phase. It could be extremely damaging to the boy once the phase is over.



I don't imagine it'd be much more damaging than it was for me when I got through that phase. You'd basically face the same kind of shit: intolerance, ridicule, etc. Hell, I was picked on a lot when I was 13, and that had nothing to do with sexuality. I still didn't come out damaged from it.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Silversoul]
    #4168423 - 05/12/05 09:03 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes, I already said that you were of age at the time and that you might not regret it. I was just using you as an example because you had changed your sexual persuasion. Image a grown man taking advantage of a 13 year old boy going through a similar phase. It could be extremely damaging to the boy once the phase is over.



I don't imagine it'd be much more damaging than it was for me when I got through that phase. You'd basically face the same kind of shit: intolerance, ridicule, etc. Hell, I was picked on a lot when I was 13, and that had nothing to do with sexuality. I still didn't come out damaged from it.




When you were 19, you were mature enough to be able to make the decision. Kids go through tons of phases. You don't allow kids to make major life decisions like having sex with grown men when they're 13. You don't allow them to get tattoos either.

I'm not being intollarant here. I'm talking about protecting children.







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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Learyfan]
    #4168437 - 05/12/05 09:06 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I went through tons of phases, too. I just continued going through phases after adolescence as well. Answer me this: would it be less damaging if it was a 15-year-old having sex with a 13-year-old? Why?


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Learyfan]
    #4168447 - 05/12/05 09:09 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Kids - The last form of human property


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: zahudulallah]
    #4168509 - 05/12/05 09:22 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Zahud: While I agree that current laws go too far in protecting "kids" who aren't kids at all, I think you do have to draw the line somewhere. A small child usually is not as rational as an adult, so their parents should have some say over their decisions until they're mature enough.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Silversoul]
    #4168540 - 05/12/05 09:30 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I believe children who have not yet entered puberty should be protected by consent legislation. I believe distinctions in gender should also be made in consent legislation. Anything 12 and up I would say is fine. Traditional Man/Boy relationships generally begin when the boy is that age, and the relationship continues until the boy has been seen into manhood. A previous law in the Netherlands spearheaded by Edward Brongersma made it so that adults could have sex with youths of that age and above without prosecution if the child and parents had no desire to persue the matter. This is one of the first examples of case by case legislation.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Silversoul]
    #4168617 - 05/12/05 09:51 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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I went through tons of phases, too. I just continued going through phases after adolescence as well. Answer me this: would it be less damaging if it was a 15-year-old having sex with a 13-year-old? Why?




I don't think it would be any more or less damaging. I don't think most boys that age who go through a gay phase have anyone else to be gay with. Also, older men know how to "work" someone into bed. The younger the person, the more easily they are manipulated. But hey, I'm no expert in this nor have I been victimized, so I could be wrong. Maybe it is ok.


Ziddy: Kids aren't ready to make the decision to have sex with grown men just as they aren't ready to make the decision to tattoo a tribal design on their face.





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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Learyfan]
    #4168643 - 05/12/05 09:56 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Well, here we disagree again as I believe anyone above puberty should have complete mastery over their bodies, even if that includes tattoos.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: zahudulallah]
    #4168711 - 05/12/05 10:24 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Should they be able to drunk grain alcohol and smoke crystal meth is the real question.





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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Learyfan]
    #4168845 - 05/12/05 11:08 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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would it be less damaging if it was a 15-year-old having sex with a 13-year-old?





I believe there's a certain amount of mutual ignorance present in that arrangement that doesn't exist when it's a 39 year old and a 13 year old. God knows I could care less about social accept norms, but I just don't think that situation can truely be completely mutual. The 39 year old has had more life experience to draw from. Two years life experience is just different than 26 year or even 10 years, especially concidering the fact that the years from 13 to say 19 are unique in the type of psychological and physiological change occuring.

Although at the time both might be equally damaging, in retrospect later in life, an individual might be able to say "you know we were both young. He/she may have taken advantage of me, but we were both ignorant to the whole picute" whereas with the 39 year that justification or reasoning isn't valid and might lead to a more lasting emotional scarring and inability to trust people.



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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Hooty]
    #4168922 - 05/12/05 11:36 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

This thread completely changed over night. Anytime someone brings up Ginsberg's contribution to the counter-culture, it seems to spark a debate on homosexuality. I guess it's because it's such a controversial issue today.

Considering the current political situation and their interference with other countries, I think the current attitude towards homosexual adult/youth relationships isn't very likely to change in the U.S. or any country with close ties to the U.S. However in independent countries stuff like this isn't looked down upon by society, even in many major countries in Europe it isn't nearly the same issue it is in America.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Hooty]
    #4168925 - 05/12/05 11:37 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

hmmmmmm. when i look at ginsberg, and picture myself as a boy.
i cant picture myself feeling any sort of compulsion to engage in sexual activities.
in fact, i would fear the haggard curls of gangly black hair adorning his face, it would automatically give me the impression that this man is a hobo or an english teacher.

if he came all testicles to me. i dont know what i would do.
if i was 13, would i run? mm i know i would run if i knew then what i know now. but i was pretty naieve. i think to be honest i could see it happening. i can see myself feeling disgusted with myself and poweless. aaaand i can immagine myself as an adult later feeling that and the fear that anyone might ever know.
yeah i think the people that oppose NAMbLA are the people who can sypmathize with that situation. or ones who had it happen to them.
i mean how do you legally approach a minor for sex? or even a sexual relationship? those kids are still the legal property of their parents. if my daughter was going out with a 30 yr old man when she was 13. i would beat him with coathangers. try dismising that as homophobia.
id tell her he must have left her because he was only using her. then i would put a wall around her till they call off the search for the missing man. tie up all the loose ends.
and give her money to buy pictures of all her teen heartthrobs.

or i would just call the cops. depends how much bullshit i feellike putting up with.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: pantsboy]
    #4168928 - 05/12/05 11:38 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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This thread completely changed over night. Anytime someone brings up Ginsberg's contribution to the counter-culture, it seems to spark a debate on homosexuality. I guess it's because it's such a controversial issue today.





I didn't think the issue was homosexuality as much as adult/youth sexual relationships.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: pantsboy]
    #4168939 - 05/12/05 11:41 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

The issue isn't homosexuality, my man. The issue is child abuse.





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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Hooty]
    #4168955 - 05/12/05 11:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Ah, quick shooter.  :wink:





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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Learyfan]
    #4168968 - 05/12/05 11:49 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

For better or worse, though, so much of Ginsberg's poetry reflects his activism in NAMBLA, like has any read the poem, "Love Comes" from White Shroud. I'm pretty open minded but even I was uncomfortable reading that poem and still he probably many more poems that are even more graphic.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Learyfan]
    #4169892 - 05/13/05 07:25 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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The issue isn't homosexuality, my man. The issue is child abuse.








Quick question Learyfan, are all sexual contacts between men and pubescent boys "abusive" to you? In the event a boy is quite willing in a sexual contact, why do you feel the relationship should nonetheless remain oppressed?

Simply put, NAMBLA isn't about legitimizing sex abuse. Since 1977 it has had the same mission, to "End the extreme oppression of Men and Boys in mutually desired relationships". So far only visionaries like Ginsberg, Gore Vidal, and Harry Hay have protested boylove hysteria. The reason they protested it is because consensual relationships do exists, and as it at the moment these relationships are subjected to extreme inquisition. What you and many people ardently view as "abuse", is not viewed as such by loved boys. The only real abuse that happens is when the relationship is discovered, and whether the boy likes it or not, he is subjected to the justice system as a "victim", often forced into counselling he does not want or need. Further hysteria over his adult lover has been the central traumatizing factor to most Boylove relationships that are unsurped by the Sex police.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: zahudulallah]
    #4170745 - 05/13/05 12:14 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, a grown man having sex with anyone under 16 is abusive because anyone under that age should not be able to make these very adult decisions. Are you telling me in all honesty that if your 12 year old son with pubes wanted to have sex with a 40 year old man and then go get a tattoo that covers his whole face, you'd let him do it??

What's so attractive about little kids? Why can't you just date people 16 years and older? I don't understand why this is an issue.

Also, why are pubescent kids ready for sex but not 6 year olds? Why do you draw the line at puberty?






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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Learyfan]
    #4170775 - 05/13/05 12:25 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Yes, a grown man having sex with anyone under 16 is abusive because anyone under that age should not be able to make these very adult decisions. Are you telling me in all honesty that if your 12 year old son with pubes wanted to have sex with a 40 year old man and then go get a tattoo that covers his whole face, you'd let him do it??




I would trust my son. At that age he should be given the civil liberties and freedoms as everyone else. He is no longer a prepubertal child.

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What's so attractive about little kids? Why can't you just date people 16 years and older? I don't understand why this is an issue.




It's an issue because teenage boys and men wish to engage in consensual relationships, however in these times both are subjected to persecution. The boylover is branded an abuser, and the boy is branded as a victim. Both parties face traumatization when a boylove relationship is discovered. Both are held in stigmatizing regard. In the Western tradition one has to go back to the days of the Roman Inquisition to find a parallel situation.

As for the issue of attraction, pedosexual orientation has existed since the dawn of human kind. Most adult males do have pedophilic fantasies from time to time, according to Kinsey and other studies done in Japan, for example. To say that being attracted to kids is irrational, and imply it's some kind of madness (a disease) is ridiculous.

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Also, why are pubescent kids ready for sex but not 6 year olds? Why do you draw the line at puberty?




Puberty is what scientifically defines adulthood.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Learyfan]
    #4170823 - 05/13/05 12:39 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

There is nothing wrong with loving children and spending quality time with kids other then your own. But love and sex are two different things. Sex is more of a violent act of submission and unification. A child should not be in a situation like that ever.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: zahudulallah]
    #4170830 - 05/13/05 12:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

your argument has critical flaws. glaring ones the largest of which i will correct
pederasts certainly and always will deserve to be persecuted.
spouting a bunch of rhetoric doesn't change that. hiding behind the homophobia card doesnt change it. insisting that kids are persecuted by being denied the ability to legally consent doesn't change it. it only changes your own perception, and the fact that you can openly support these obvious perversions shows your poor grasp on reality.
i mean, youre articulate and historically knowlageable, and no doubt very proud of it. but sadly, youre stuck in a sick world you see as benevolent.
if little boys want to be gay, let them be gay with eachother. no man hould ever be approaching them for some pollitically twisted and sexually fulfilling purpose.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4170839 - 05/13/05 12:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

So pederasts who engage in consensual relationships with willing teenage boys should be persecuted? Why?


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: zahudulallah]
    #4170852 - 05/13/05 12:51 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

cause they are sick, they can't suspend their lust for underage boys and see that it's wrong.
the only way to deal with these pathological criminals is to immure them in a potent and watchfull cage of cultural and systematic persecution. the same way we protect ourselves from murderers, rapists, and their ilk. pederasts don't deserve special consideration. and if their sexual appitites are natural and not learned, then it is natural that they be limited intheir ability to offend.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4170859 - 05/13/05 12:52 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

So every human being who has a sexual attraction to young people are "pathological"? What proof do you have?


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4170864 - 05/13/05 12:55 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

no, those who act upon these attractions and those who defent the practice are pathological.


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    #4170865 - 05/13/05 12:55 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: zahudulallah]
    #4170866 - 05/13/05 12:56 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Why because they would be doing harm to a childs ego and self esteem. They will have to spend the rest of there life with choices they actualy new hardly any thing about..... If other teanagers learned about what has happened they would be looked at and shuned. Its a sad truth. But its the way it is. As a child and as an adult we can easily make mistakes we didnt even realise that were mistakes till a couple years has passed.

Also ass play hass a higher risk of dieseas. No child or "teen" should put in jepordy such as that eather.


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    #4170871 - 05/13/05 12:57 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4170872 - 05/13/05 12:57 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Call me an old fashioned sexual revolutionary, but sex ain't about power. It's about attraction.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4170876 - 05/13/05 01:00 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I guess its just a topic that should be discused at this givin time.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4170878 - 05/13/05 01:00 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I'm talking about relationships where the kid enjoys the sexual contact. Such relationships exist - they are not pathological and nor do they inflict in the pervasive damage. Such relationships cannot scientifically be called "adult-child sexual abuse" but the rather simply "adult-child sex". The taboo is damaging, and fortunately erroding.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4170880 - 05/13/05 01:01 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

it's not about attraction, attraction isn't a chioce.
it's about chosing to act upon attraction.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4170881 - 05/13/05 01:01 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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SHEIKofSHIITAKE said:
I guess its just a topic that should be discused at this givin time.




It should be discussed whenever dissidents like myself raise the issue.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: zahudulallah]
    #4170886 - 05/13/05 01:02 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I dont think so maybe in a city near you, but out here people get shot for stuff like that! Call me an ole fashion american.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4170887 - 05/13/05 01:02 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Mitchnast said:
it's not about attraction, attraction isn't a chioce.
it's about chosing to act upon attraction.




So attraction the young people is a "choice"? Why would anyone willfully become the most hated minority group in modern civilization.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4170892 - 05/13/05 01:03 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Well, fortunately there other places in the world than America.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: zahudulallah]
    #4170903 - 05/13/05 01:08 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Fortunatly i dont live other places. Its a shame other places like the couple i know you speak of sell cuz they cant afford. Often selling them to the sex market.

What turns you on about children?


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4170922 - 05/13/05 01:15 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I have a sexual attraction to teenage boys, otherwise known as ephebophilia or pederasty. I have no interest in prepubertal boys. It's in regard to the timeless connection between homosexuality and pederasty as I am also attracted to young men. It's as natural to me today as it was when I was 13.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: zahudulallah]
    #4170948 - 05/13/05 01:21 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I always question my beliefs.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4170956 - 05/13/05 01:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Why is the shroomery turning into a kiddie porn discussion forum. It's a shame to watch this place slowly crumble.




What are you talking about? Where else is this being discussed on The Shroomery?




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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4170988 - 05/13/05 01:28 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

The scientific aspect of it requires logic, not belief. My attraction to male youths isn't a "belief". It's a timeless, cardinal orientation that goes back to the days of Ancient Greece. I have long come to terms with my humanity, and for this I actively campaign for the liberation of young people and those who love them. The sexual revolution has been long and bitter. This is just the final chapter. The final battle to end human property and persecution.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: zahudulallah]
    #4171010 - 05/13/05 01:33 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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it's not about attraction, attraction isn't a chioce.
it's about chosing to act upon attraction.




So attraction the young people is a "choice"? Why would anyone willfully become the most hated minority group in modern civilization.





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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4171079 - 05/13/05 01:48 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I fail to see whatever message you're trying to convey in regard to orientation/choice. It is not a choice and the intellectual world at least acknowledges this.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: zahudulallah]
    #4171535 - 05/13/05 03:31 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

right, you fail.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4172015 - 05/13/05 05:46 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Wow, this thread went a bit off topic.  :shrug:




Not at all, Ginsberg and Cassidy were lovers for a time.


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: Ripple]
    #4172136 - 05/13/05 06:25 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Wasn't it Ginsberg and Carl Solomon that were lovers? The dude he met at the mental institution?


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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: pantsboy]
    #4172569 - 05/13/05 08:04 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I've read that he was doing Neil too.


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    #4172902 - 05/13/05 09:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Neal Cassidy, Ginsberg, the Dead, and you! [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4172922 - 05/13/05 10:02 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

but then who will oppose it?
its bad enough that paedophilia can cultivate in closed societies. when we start ignoring it in our midst, we become guilty.


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