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That ID Card Thing....
    #4164338 - 05/12/05 12:36 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Ok SO I didnt pay much attention and blah blah blah blah...



Soooooo Im watching "attack of the show" and the hot chick with the gap between her thighs says that it was a vote issue and people have voted it in....

What the FUCK does this mean? She adde3d that the national ID system could keep people from certain freedoms like bank accounts and interstate travle...


What The Fuck.. She Says that G W=uba will sign this into law soon.......


What THE FUCK?


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Re: That ID Card Thing.... [Re: GabbaDj]
    #4164362 - 05/12/05 12:41 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

no the national id system is not going to fuck with interstate travel or bank accounts


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Re: That ID Card Thing.... [Re: GabbaDj]
    #4164377 - 05/12/05 12:43 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

It is designed to keep us safe from the Terrorists. And to help consolidate the corporate fascist dictatorship.


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Re: That ID Card Thing.... [Re: Retired]
    #4165069 - 05/12/05 03:39 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Tradenmar said:
no the national id system is not going to fuck with interstate travel or bank accounts




actually, you wont be able to open a bank account without one of these cards... not even at a local bank.


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Re: That ID Card Thing.... [Re: GabbaDj]
    #4165455 - 05/12/05 08:55 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The border is wide open, yet a stupid card is supposed to stop terrorism. I predict this card will catch no terrorists, it will only make American's lives more difficult.

These terrorists are everywhere and no where at the same time.. its really amazing. What a scam


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Re: That ID Card Thing.... [Re: GabbaDj]
    #4165535 - 05/12/05 09:36 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

There has been a lot of debate over the implementation of a National ID card in the UK, from what I can see, the US and UK card proposals are almost identical. I have yet to hear a good example of how having a national ID card would stop terrorism.

The card itself is not the main issue, its the database behind it and how and by whom that data is accessed, especially in relation to biometrics. While biometric technology is still quite young it is not hard to imagine 'Minority Report' like implementations that can identify and monitor everyone in crowd, within 10 years. Especially in the UK where CCTV systems are everywhere already. Mass surveillance is a fundamental requirement of a police state.

For me the main issues are :-

1. Is it going to deliver me any benefits since I am going to be paying for it?
2. What protection exists to protect me from misuse of the data?
3. Will it be used as an excuse for more government interference in my day to day life?


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http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld200405/ldbills/030/05030.40-45.html#j003s

Schedule 1


Section 3


Information that may be recorded in Register


Personal information


The following may be recorded in an individual?s entry in the Register?

(a) his full name;
(b) other names by which he is or has been known;
(c) his date of birth;
(d) his place of birth;
(e) his gender;
(f) the address of his principal place of residence in the United Kingdom;
(g) the address of every other place in the United Kingdom where he has a place of residence;
(h) addresses (whether in the United Kingdom or elsewhere) where he has previously resided at any time during a prescribed period.


Identifying information

The following may be recorded in an individual?s entry in the Register?


(a) a photograph of his head and shoulders;
(b) his signature;
(c) his fingerprints;
(d) other biometric information about him.


Residential status


The following may be recorded in an individual?s entry in the Register?


(a) his nationality;
(b) his entitlement to remain in the United Kingdom
(c) where that entitlement derives from a grant of leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom, the terms and conditions of that leave.


Personal reference numbers etc.

The following may be recorded in an individual?s entry in the Register?


(a) his National Identity Registration Number;
(b) the number of any ID card issued to him;
(c) any national insurance number allocated to him; Same as SS number in US
(d) the number of any immigration document relating to him;
(e) the number of any United Kingdom passport (within the meaning of the Immigration Act 1971
(c. 77)) that has been issued to him;
(f) the number of any passport issued to him by or on behalf of the
authorities of a country or territory outside the United Kingdom or
by or on behalf of an international organization;
(g) the number of any document that can be used by him (in some or all
circumstances) instead of a passport;
(h) the number of any identity card issued to him by the authorities of a
country or territory outside the United Kingdom;
(i) any reference number allocated to him by the Secretary of State in
connection with an application made by him for permission to enter
or to remain in the United Kingdom;
(j) the number of any work permit (within the meaning of the
Immigration Act 1971) relating to him;
(k) any driver number given to him by a driving licence;
(l) the number of any designated document which is held by him and is
a document the number of which does not fall within any of the
preceding sub-paragraphs;
(m) the date of expiry or period of validity of a document the number of
which is recorded by virtue of this paragraph.


(2) In this paragraph ?immigration document? means?


(a) a document used for confirming the right of a person under the
Community Treaties in respect of entry or residence in the United
Kingdom;
(b) a document which is given in exercise of immigration functions and
records information about leave granted to a person to enter or to
remain in the United Kingdom; or
(c) a registration card (within the meaning of section 26A of the
Immigration Act 1971);
and in paragraph (b) ?immigration functions? means functions under the
Immigration Acts (within the meaning of the Asylum and Immigration
(Treatment of Claimants, etc.) Act 2004 (c. 19)).


(3) In this paragraph ?driving licence? means?


(a) a licence to drive a motor vehicle granted under Part 3 of the Road
Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52); or


(b) a licence to drive a motor vehicle granted under Part 2 of the Road
Traffic (Northern Ireland) Order 1981 (S.I. 1981/154 (N.I. 1)).






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Re: That ID Card Thing.... [Re: GabbaDj]
    #4166362 - 05/12/05 03:00 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I'm so fucking glad I moved out of country.

If anyone is considering moving to Canada, do it now...


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Re: That ID Card Thing.... [Re: usefulidiot]
    #4167367 - 05/12/05 06:37 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

usefulidiot said:
It is designed to keep us safe from the Terrorists.



Correction: the official lie is that it is designed to keep us safe from terrorists. How this can stop someone from walking illegally across our largely unguarded border and detonating a suitcase nuke in a large population center has never been explained. How this could stop an American citizen who suddenly blows a mental gasket and decides to kill many others along with himself has never been explained. But hey, if it makes some of the more dim witted of us feel safer then it must be good. Right?

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And to help consolidate the corporate fascist dictatorship.



You really need to watch more Fox News, you're expressing dangerous free-thought opinions.


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Re: That ID Card Thing.... [Re: Autonomous]
    #4167537 - 05/12/05 07:21 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Autonomous said:
Correction: the official lie is that it is designed to keep us safe from terrorists. How this can stop someone from walking illegally across our largely unguarded border and detonating a suitcase nuke in a large population center has never been explained. How this could stop an American citizen who suddenly blows a mental gasket and decides to kill many others along with himself has never been explained. But hey, if it makes some of the more dim witted of us feel safer then it must be good. Right?




I'm hoping and betting that you don't have any way that we COULD prevent either of those actions, other than by building a huge border fence which I'm sure you'd be against as well. Right? Why help when you can complain!


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Re: That ID Card Thing.... [Re: SoopaX]
    #4167581 - 05/12/05 07:31 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Why help when you can complain!


Because liberty isn't something I want to "help" circumvent.


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Re: That ID Card Thing.... [Re: cb9fl]
    #4167642 - 05/12/05 07:50 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Open borders for all!!!!! Fight the Power, right on.


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Re: That ID Card Thing.... [Re: SoopaX]
    #4167826 - 05/12/05 08:47 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

SoopaX said:
I'm hoping and betting that you don't have any way that we COULD prevent either of those actions,



Gee, I dunno. How about we actually use the military to PROTECT OUR BORDERS instead regime change in other countries? How about searching for and deporting all illegal aliens? It seems a RATIONAL approach would involve these as well as a change in foreign policy away from actions which promotes hate for Americans and the US government. Nope, it's more important that we have the government further trample on the constitution and track all it's subjects like Walmart tracks it's inventory.

Are you aware of the following provisions of section 102 of this ID bill?
    `(1) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall have the authority to waive, and shall waive, all laws such Secretary, in such Secretary's sole discretion, determines necessary to ensure expeditious construction of the barriers and roads under this section.

    `(2) NO JUDICIAL REVIEW- Notwithstanding any other provision of law (statutory or nonstatutory), no court, administrative agency, or other entity shall have jurisdiction--

    `(A) to hear any cause or claim arising from any action undertaken, or any decision made, by the Secretary of Homeland Security pursuant to paragraph (1); or

    `(B) to order compensatory, declaratory, injunctive, equitable, or any other relief for damage alleged to arise from any such action or decision.'.


In plain language, congress is attempting remove judicial oversight from the supreme court.

But let's get to the crux of the matter. How will establishing an national ID stop terrorists in the scenarios I have described?


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Re: That ID Card Thing.... [Re: Autonomous]
    #4168394 - 05/12/05 10:56 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Dont use logic, G W doesnt.


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Re: That ID Card Thing.... [Re: Autonomous]
    #4168411 - 05/12/05 11:00 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Nope, it's more important that we have the government further trample on the constitution and track all it's subjects like Walmart tracks it's inventory.




They do a DAMN great job of that too.. In fact they are the best, the new leaders in their field.

The New World Leaders?????



OOooh Shit.


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Re: That ID Card Thing.... [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4168552 - 05/12/05 11:35 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


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Re: That ID Card Thing.... [Re: cb9fl]
    #4168766 - 05/13/05 12:45 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

heres 50 channels of american galdiators... forget about this stuff for a while.. it doesn't mean anything.. NWO... lol what a joke


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