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Senate approves electronic ID card bill
    #4161044 - 05/11/05 10:25 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Senate approves electronic ID card bill
Published: May 10, 2005, 8:10 PM PDT
By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
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Last-minute attempts by online activists to halt an electronic ID card failed Tuesday when the U.S. Senate unanimously voted to impose a sweeping set of identification requirements on Americans.

The so-called Real ID Act now heads to President Bush, who is expected to sign the bill into law this month. Its backers, including the Bush administration, say it's needed to stop illegal immigrants from obtaining drivers' licenses.

If the act's mandates take effect in May 2008, as expected, Americans will be required to obtain federally approved ID cards with "machine readable technology" that abides by Department of Homeland Security specifications. Anyone without such an ID card will be effectively prohibited from traveling by air or Amtrak, opening a bank account, or entering federal buildings.

After the Real ID Act's sponsors glued it to an Iraq military spending bill, final passage was all but guaranteed. Yet that didn't stop a dedicated cadre of privacy activists from trying to raise the alarm in the last few days.

UnRealID.com, which calls the legislation a "national ID card," says that more than 10,800 people filled out its online petition to senators.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation hastily created a "Stop The Real ID Act!" campaign last week, and the ACLU denounced the bill as a measure that would create "a system ripe for identity theft." Security guru Bruce Schneier offered his own negative critique.
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If the Real ID Act had been a standalone piece of legislation--instead of being embedded in an unrelated military spending bill--its passage in the Senate might have been less certain.

The House approved it in February by a relatively narrow vote of 261-161, and some senators had condemned it. Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., warned last month that the Real ID Act creates "de facto national ID cards" and the National Immigration Law Center said it will make it harder even for legal immigrants and citizens to get drivers' licenses.

Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner, a Wisconsin Republican and Real ID Act sponsor, applauded the Senate vote on Tuesday. "The Real ID is vital to preventing foreign terrorists from hiding in plain sight while conducting their operations and planning attacks," Sensenbrenner said. "By targeting terrorist travel, the Real ID will assist in our war-on-terror efforts to disrupt terrorist operations and help secure our borders."


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Re: Senate approves electronic ID card bill [Re: automan]
    #4161055 - 05/11/05 10:29 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i'm moving to canada.... who's coming with me?

i cant believe this was just a small story. this "little device" is going to change american life for the worse.... forever.

think about it people.... a terrorist attack, department of "home"land security, an act to limit our freedoms (patriot act), and now a national ID card that you wont be able to do the simplest things without.... this is what happened in germany in the 1930's word for freaking word.

this is totally fuked up and, seriously, as soon as i have the funds, i am moving to BC.


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Re: Senate approves electronic ID card bill [Re: automan]
    #4161528 - 05/11/05 01:01 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

this story, which I've been following for over a week, has made my mind up as well. this is the end of the USA and the beginning of Amerika the War Machine. Welcome to the Amerikan monoculture where each state is a quaint reminder of the past.

did you catch the wholly unconstitutional phrasing:
"no court shall have jurisdiction to hear any cause or claim arising from any action undertaken, or any decision made, by the Secretary of Homeland Security, or order compensatory, declaratory, injunctive, equitable, or any other relief for damage alleged to arise from any such action or decision."

erm, ahh, yeah, okay, no more checks and balances, eh?

All hail mein fuhrer, The Secretary of Homeland Security!
do you have your papers?


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Re: Senate approves electronic ID card bill [Re: debianlinux]
    #4161927 - 05/11/05 03:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i cant believe there isnt a total outrage about this. people either dont know or dont care. i know this sounds odd and most people totally bitch about the right wing talk radio network, but i think if we brought it to their attn, they would jump on this quick. i'm going to call, write, and email every syndicated talk show host i can think of.

i am still stunned that no one cares or realizes what is happening.


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Re: Senate approves electronic ID card bill [Re: automan]
    #4162745 - 05/11/05 06:32 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I realize, and I do care. This is out-fucking-rageous. I fear that the damage being done, and the damage yet to come, will be so bad that we may not be able to save this country without some serious uprising.


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Re: Senate approves electronic ID card bill [Re: debianlinux]
    #4163844 - 05/11/05 10:44 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

debianlinux said:
this story, which I've been following for over a week, has made my mind up as well. this is the end of the USA and the beginning of Amerika the War Machine. Welcome to the Amerikan monoculture where each state is a quaint reminder of the past.

did you catch the wholly unconstitutional phrasing:
"no court shall have jurisdiction to hear any cause or claim arising from any action undertaken, or any decision made, by the Secretary of Homeland Security, or order compensatory, declaratory, injunctive, equitable, or any other relief for damage alleged to arise from any such action or decision."

erm, ahh, yeah, okay, no more checks and balances, eh?

All hail mein fuhrer, The Secretary of Homeland Security!
do you have your papers?




You have to be shitting me.
And i'm stuck in this country.

It's time to get serious then.....


Another note: of course it's quiet. It's just an ID. The government is trustable, right? I mean, we DO elect them, right? This is abominable.


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