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How much should the media show?
    #4158764 - 05/10/05 08:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

We were having a discussion about this in my class today. How much of the war should the media show to the public? Should they show it in its gruesome totality, or protect people from such violent images? Please note that I'm not talking about whether the government should censor the media, but to what degree(if any) they should censor themselves. Any thoughts?


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4158941 - 05/10/05 09:04 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

That sounds like a very interesting discussion, I must say. My take on it is to show ALL of it in all it's grisly glory. Maybe after seeing such things, people might be a little more hesitant to send in the troops......


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4158953 - 05/10/05 09:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I believe they should show the gruesome images out of Iraq so people will maybe a grow a little less complacent about the war and have the resolve to get it finished. Of course that will never happen though.


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #4158959 - 05/10/05 09:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

One girl in my class said she had a cousin die in Iraq, and she doesn't want to see that, nor does she want others to see it. What would you say to her?


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4158969 - 05/10/05 09:11 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I think the media should show war for everything it is. The public should know war for what it is, not just numbers and reports.


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #4158979 - 05/10/05 09:14 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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My take on it is to show ALL of it in all it's grisly glory.


including the horror of the terrorists and saddams torture? If that was the case i think we would be more willing to send troops.

Of course thats not what would happen, the media would show only the americans killing and purposfully omit everything else. Oh wait thats what they do now....


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: DieCommie]
    #4158994 - 05/10/05 09:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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ToiletDuk said:
My take on it is to show ALL of it in all it's grisly glory.


including the horror of the terrorists and saddams torture? If that was the case i think we would be more willing to send troops.

Of course thats not what would happen, the media would show only the americans killing and purposfully omit everything else. Oh wait thats what they do now....



What the fuck kind of news are you watching? Al Jazeera?


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4159014 - 05/10/05 09:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

No I watch a little network news (dont have cable), a little on the radio, a little in the newspaper and a little on-line.  Ill admit my statment was a bit exzagerated but for the most part thats the impression i get from the news i read.  "american bad, arab good"  :rolleyes:

What source of news would you suggest?


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: DieCommie]
    #4159035 - 05/10/05 09:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

CNN might be good. All I see there about Iraq is the elections and the occasional carbomb.


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4159040 - 05/10/05 09:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I think different news organizations should have a different amount of graphic depiction of war. Unfortunetly thats not the case, thaey all do the same thing becasue our behemoth static media comglomerates (all, what, 5 of them?) don't ever try anything risky, why would they? They already own everything and innovative news isn't in their best interest.


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What would you say to her?




I would tell her that her opinion has no more weight to me than anybody elses.


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4159047 - 05/10/05 09:28 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Dont have cable. Ill see if there is any online stuff, but from what i hear they are pretty biased... You dont think so?


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: DieCommie]
    #4159058 - 05/10/05 09:30 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Dont have cable. Ill see if there is any online stuff, but from what i hear they are pretty biased... You dont think so?



I don't believe there's such a thing as unbiased news, but I definitely wouldn't describe their bias as "america bad, arab good," though I suppose people tend to filter things through their own biases.


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4159640 - 05/10/05 11:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Should the media show the be-headings the terrorist did?


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: niteowl]
    #4159661 - 05/10/05 11:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The media should show everything, no holds barred. Purposeful censorship and ignorance is not the way to go about doing things, whether it be with showing violence, revolutions, or any other world troubles.


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4159692 - 05/10/05 11:53 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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One girl in my class said she had a cousin die in Iraq, and she doesn't want to see that, nor does she want others to see it.  What would you say to her?




I'd say she is free to turn off her TV whenever she pleases. :smirk:

I think it is the media's duty to show war with all the full, gruesome, gory detail.


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: trendal]
    #4160072 - 05/11/05 01:21 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Their has to be some form of censorship.

EVERYTHING cant be shown, just for time issues. Some things have to be left out.

All the news can't revolve around the war. There are local news events that have a much bigger impact on our lives than showing graphic war pix.


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4160123 - 05/11/05 01:32 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The media should show everything at its most horrible.

The reason why people feel death and everything is such a non-issue is because they haven't seen it...

Show them what death is, show them what suffering is, be real, blunt and focused in an issue... :shrug: I'm a bit tired of all this damn censorship. If people saw and knew death and the atrocities of war from all sides, they'd be a little bit more reluctant to engage/support it. (At least one could hope)

niteowl:
Why can't everything be shown? Anything that is being covered shouldn't have the typical fluff associated with it, nor the euphemisms like the f' word attached. That only makes everything more taboo and forces people to live in their little dream world that everything is going to be ok, and that society is a better thing then it actually is.


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4160142 - 05/11/05 01:35 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

We need smellavision, so the people can revel in the olfactory delights of burning and rotting flesh that their cheer leading supports.


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4160149 - 05/11/05 01:37 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

For one thing, you can only show so much death and destruction to an audience until they change the channel and watch syndicated episodes of the Simpsons. There IS other news that needs to be told besides Iraq news. As we have it now the market doesn't even attempt to show what's going on in Iraq, though.


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Re: How much should the media show? [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #4160180 - 05/11/05 01:43 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

:confused: I wasn't focusing on Iraq, just greater realism across the board.

If they'd change news to watch the Simpsons.... their better off watching it, as the Simpsons has gone to shit, literally. Let them change the channel, if they'd rather watch a show pandering to their need for fantasy over watching a newscast filled with realism... I wouldn't even bother to worry about it.

However, if you would've said Family Guy, :shrug: it's a brilliant show filled with social commentary. :smile:


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