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Removing the Sunflower Seeds
    #4157204 - 05/10/05 01:37 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I recently read that the sunflower seeds found in common WBS is no good for our friends. Since the most buoyant seed found in the mixture is sunflower seed, one can easily remove them.

Simply add your water as if you are soaking the seed for pre-inoc and stir (I used a Phillips head screw driver), filter off (I used my hands, but a "fish catcher" would probably prove more ideal), repeat as necessary. Maybe not ideal for large batches.

I was unsure as to why this seed would be bad, but I removed them anyway. This would be a more "common sense" technique.
Hope this helps anyone for any reason. :smile:


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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: condonethis]
    #4157273 - 05/10/05 01:53 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I just remove the floaters most there are always some left over not a big deal they are just a less nutritious than the millet and milo.
if you are going to fruit with it i suggest finding some rye its well worth your time i started just using birdseed does good but rye realy seems to increase your flush and yields, holds more water than WBS plus has a lot higher tryptamine levels once i used it i was hooked


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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: condonethis]
    #4157290 - 05/10/05 01:57 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

So is BR not Rye?  :confused: I am using BRF/BR mixture for my first inoc, but I've heard good things about WBS, so I figured what the hell.


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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: condonethis]
    #4157311 - 05/10/05 02:01 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

WBS is good and will work just fine ive had plenty of solid flushes on WBS but i definetly get the best results with rye


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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: lowdominion]
    #4157314 - 05/10/05 02:02 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i use 50/50 rye birseed alot too. if i'm getting low on rye works great


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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: condonethis]
    #4157319 - 05/10/05 02:03 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

So brown rice is not rye?


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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: condonethis]
    #4157332 - 05/10/05 02:05 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

no brown rice is brown rice rye is a different grain whole brown rice and brf will work fine just make sure to simmer and drain whole brown rice rye can be obtained at health food stores and feed store


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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: lowdominion]
    #4157364 - 05/10/05 02:10 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for the heads up!



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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: condonethis]
    #4157374 - 05/10/05 02:13 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

no prob good luck :smile:


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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: condonethis]
    #4158133 - 05/10/05 05:28 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

condonethis said:
I recently read that the sunflower seeds found in common WBS is no good for our friends. Since the most buoyant seed found in the mixture is sunflower seed, one can easily remove them.

Simply add your water as if you are soaking the seed for pre-inoc and stir (I used a Phillips head screw driver), filter off (I used my hands, but a "fish catcher" would probably prove more ideal), repeat as necessary. Maybe not ideal for large batches.

I was unsure as to why this seed would be bad, but I removed them anyway. This would be a more "common sense" technique.
Hope this helps anyone for any reason. :smile:




This is VERY INCORRECT.

Sunflower seeds contain lipids and oils which, in small amounts, is needed for primo substrate. 5% sunflower seeds or flax seeds to your substrate will IMPROVE it. DONT REMOVE THE FLOATERS!!


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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4158179 - 05/10/05 05:37 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

^^^^^What he said!


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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4158277 - 05/10/05 06:09 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Ya removing the seeds is a waste of time, not only because of what scatmanrav said, but a lot of them are hollow and they add little pockets of air in your sub = faster colonization


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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: condonethis]
    #4158348 - 05/10/05 06:26 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Just let the sunflower seed stay. Good for structure of the high-millet ratio's WBS.
After 90 minutes PC, sunflower seeds arent of any problem, at all.

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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4158352 - 05/10/05 06:28 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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This is VERY INCORRECT.

Sunflower seeds contain lipids and oils which, in small amounts, is needed for primo substrate. 5% sunflower seeds or flax seeds to your substrate will IMPROVE it. DONT REMOVE THE FLOATERS!!




Some teks mention it though... But I dont remove them when using WBS.

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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #4158360 - 05/10/05 06:29 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I know it is mentioned. It says they hold more contams then other seeds. I'm just saying, that information listed in the teks is incorrect, and that seeds shouldnt be removed.


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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4158369 - 05/10/05 06:31 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Was nota comment against you, didnt know that you also were aware of that info being in some teks.  bout nutes I did not know though....

sunflowers are pretty :grin:

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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: MushroomFriend]
    #4158380 - 05/10/05 06:35 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I know, just so the poster knows I'm aware of the info too :smile:

I like eating sunflower seeds, roasted with lots of salt. Mmmm.


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4158386 - 05/10/05 06:37 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Removing the sunflower seeds is a big myth. In fact, sunflower seeds contain Lignin. Lignin is a polymer that helps promote sturdy growth in plant life. Lignin is what makes wood. It binds to cellular structures to make them sturdy. Basically any seed from one of these types of plants provide Lignin. Not a bad thing for mushrooms.


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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4158540 - 05/10/05 07:20 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Oily seeds in high concentrations are a good thing either...

Agar has mentioned that over 5% isn't ideal and that you'd have probelms...

He said it when he talked about his Fav. mix...5%canola - (forget the other name for it) 50%wbs - 45%rye

But yea, waste of time :thumbdown:...unless it's FULL of the fuckers :grin:

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Re: Removing the Sunflower Seeds [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4158611 - 05/10/05 07:40 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

>5%canola - (forget the other name for it)

Rape seed. Or flax seed.

Most WBS say on the bag 5% sunflower seeds added...or there is less. Mix that with rye, and or bulk substrate and theres even less...but with just WBS there still isnt usually over 5%. Agar mentioned that adding 10% or over of Rapeseed would cause problems.


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Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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