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Corporal Kielbasa

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Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it !
#4157178 - 05/10/05 11:32 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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These above are Trichocereus peruvianus.


These cacti are Trichocereus pachanoi.



Now this is trichocereus bridgesii The top is the traditional growth and the lower two are a monstrose version called the 'penis plant'.
This site has a lot of the other columnar cacti defiantly worth checking out if you are interested in learning more about cacti and cacti identification.
http://www.columnar-cacti.org/cereus/
Hope this helps every new enthusiast learn a little more about the plants they like to collect.
Edited by SHEIKofSHIITAKE (05/11/05 12:05 PM)
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myndreach
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Great post...this needed to be done a while ago!
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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: myndreach]
#4161674 - 05/11/05 11:52 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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thanks sheik!
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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: CptnGarden]
#4163490 - 05/11/05 07:27 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Anyone have any pictures of some ofthe more rare trichs? I have some seeds of, Terschekii, Spachianus, Shickendantzii, Macrogonus, Brivospinulous, Wedermanius, Huasca, and Candicans. I plan on getting a large cacti grow going sometime within the next week. And does anyone have any info on the above species that isnt in the psychoactive cacti guide on Erowid?
Thanks!
And great post!
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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: Chemical_Bliss]
#4163850 - 05/11/05 08:46 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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trichocereus tephracanthus

trichocereus candicans

trichocereus spachianus

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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: felixhigh]
#4168761 - 05/12/05 10:43 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Trichocereus Schickendantzii
 Trichocereus Multiplex
 Trichocereus Scopulicola
 Trichocereus Terscheckii

Check out this site too: http://www.desert-tropicals.com/Plants/Cactaceae/Trichocereus.html
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: Bodhibiscuit]
#4170208 - 05/13/05 09:37 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I like how where this thread is going!
Keep them going ........
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question: do all trichs contain mescaline?
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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: Noviseer]
#4172979 - 05/13/05 10:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Noviseer said: question: do all trichs contain mescaline?
If they do alot have to small of quantities for use.
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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: Noviseer]
#4172999 - 05/13/05 10:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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answer: no, not all. actually not even all san pedros contain mescaline, there seem to be strains with insignificant ammounts...
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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: felixhigh]
#4177683 - 05/15/05 10:07 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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The free salvia guy sent me some tricocherus peruvianus seeds for free and i was wondering how to grow it ? I mean should i go buy some cactus soil or is there a better way?
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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: whitegreyhat]
#4214875 - 05/24/05 03:51 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here's a quick guide for growing cacti from seed:
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stvip
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I'm learning, living and loving it. Quick question, though: how does one distinguish between lophophora williamsii and lophophora diffusa? I've poured through pictures, to no avail.
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: stvip]
#4222019 - 05/26/05 10:26 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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L. diffusa has less pronounced lobeing compared to L. williamsii.
 L. williamsii has larger aerials with longer tufts of hair/spines.
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L. Diffusa contains no actives, or does it?
I read a report on Erowid where one guy ate some and had visions. But that seems to be the only report out there, so I'm not at all sure what to think.
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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: dblaney]
#4224015 - 05/26/05 07:27 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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are there any websites that give the regions in which these cactus can be found. I happen to live in the desert and can always use a good adventure and loe nothing more than a treasure hunt to get pictures of pretty cactus
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: xburn]
#4224155 - 05/26/05 08:09 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Have you searched around? Im sure there are someplace.
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i dont even know where to begin like apossible search string or anyhting
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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: xburn]
#4224172 - 05/26/05 08:12 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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name of species and goegraphical location could help with doing a search
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T. bridgesii, T. cuzcoensis, T. fulvinanus, T. macrogonus, T. pachanoi, T. peruvianus, T. taquimbalensis, T. tersheckii, T. validus, T. werdermannius.
these are the other trichs said to be active. Anyone have a more comprehensive lisT?
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Edited by xburn (05/26/05 08:37 PM)
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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: dblaney]
#4224335 - 05/26/05 09:03 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
dblaney18 said: L. Diffusa contains no actives, or does it?
I read a report on Erowid where one guy ate some and had visions. But that seems to be the only report out there, so I'm not at all sure what to think.
L.diffusa = Peyote
in other words active
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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: xburn]
#4240203 - 05/31/05 01:49 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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>L.diffusa = Peyote
That is incorrect.
Lophophora Williamsii is peyote.
Traditionaly indian tribes would use diffusa along with peyote but it does NOT contain mescaline. Tho it does contain some (strang) actives. Like pellotine, gigantine, anhalonidine, Lophophorine.
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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: Legoulash]
#4241354 - 05/31/05 06:28 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok, i was going off the information gained from this website
http://www.phytomedical.com/Plant/Mescaline.asp
but the internet is the internet and yadi yada but thanks for the new info
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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: xburn]
#4264741 - 06/06/05 06:01 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Where might one get seeds for san pedros, peyote or peruvian torches?
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check out the sponsers.
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shiek those pictures you have look like the KK242 peruvianus, which has now been discovered that it is more accuratly a T. cuzcoensis and these plants are not active.
Short spined ones are more common and desirable for people on this forum.
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Re: Cacti 101 learn it/live it/love it ! [Re: faslimy]
#4345463 - 06/28/05 12:11 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree. Thanks to MS i now am familiar with that. Isnt it crazy how information can be off beat for some many years?
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i bought a peruvian torch off ebay. it's like 2 inches. my first grow. they got seeds too
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Thought this might be helpfull to Cacti 101.
General Grafting Stock Species
Although the new expanded introduction at the top of the page provides some good general recommendations, you can find additional information below regarding individual species of grafting stock. If I had to recommend just one type of grafting stock for all types of cactus, it would be any of the more robust taller growing forms of cold hardy Echinocereus coccineus or Echinocereus triglochidiatus. Whenever possible, choose a stock which has open type spination, meaning that the spine clusters which grow from each tubercle are spaced far apart from each other. Open spination type stocks are usually easier to cut and often have more oozing juice upon cutting (which is very desirable).
Cereus: Many of these fast growing species make good grafting stock. The optimum height for grafting stock is between 8 cm to 12 cm tall. C. peruvianus is commonly suggested, although many other fast growing Cereus species can be used, especially those with open type spination.
Echinopsis: Good acceptance of many species, but the root stock is not very resistant to disease, fungus and bug infestations. Usually employed as a temporary graft when nothing better is available.
Echinocereus: Echinocereus coccineus is recommended as a good cold hardy stock, along with the more common Echinocereus triglochidiatus. Echinocereus have a tendency to offset freely and may require more maintenance until the scion gets to a reasonable size. They are an excellent grafting stock for Epithelantha species. Taller robust growing forms with open type spination are an excellent choice when more natural type growth is desired.
Eriocereus (Harrisia) jusbertii: Very universal stock with excellent life span and rot resistance. However, cold hardy scions may look more natural on Opuntia fragilis or any robust growing cold hardy Echinocereus.
Harrisia: The most commonly used species are H. grandiflora and H. jusbertii. These and many other robust, fast growing Harrisia species work well. See comments under Eriocereus.
Hylocereus: Highly recommended stocks for very fast growth and well suited for grafting seedlings or very small young offsets. Sometimes considered a temporary stock for many species unless grown in warmer climates where it has very better longevity in porous soil. If you have a cooler climate, Selenicereus grandiflorus is a better choice for fast scion growth. Whether you use Hylocereus or Selenicereus, best results come from single fully rooted cuttings which are cut to a height of 6 cm to 8 cm. If branching side shoots develop near the base of the grafting stock, let them grow no longer than 6 cm to 8 cm before removing them to use as new cuttings. Any side shoots which start to grow closer to the graft should be removed immediately.
Lemairocereus: (See the Stenocereus section further below).
Myrtillocactus geometrizans: This is probably the safest species to use if you are growing indoors or in milder climates. Very popular and widely recommended, mainly because it is readily available and works well for grafting most species. I use this species frequently, along with more robust forms of Trichocereus bridgesii, Trichocereus peruvianus and Trichocereus werdermannianus for most of my more permanent indoor or mild climate type grafts.
Opuntia: Disease and rot resistant species are best, as long as they are fast growing. Opuntia fragilis is often recommended for grafting cold hardy species. You can use younger Opuntia pads (new shoots) which are cut close to the bottom of the pad, graft scions onto the flat cut surface and then detach the pad 6 to 12 months later to root on its own. Older pads which are still actively growing, but not yet producing a new shoot (new pad) can still be cut very close to the tip and grafted at that point as long as they are juicy upon cutting. Be sure to visit the new excellent web site on Opuntia Compressa as a grafting stock by Valentino Vallicelli of Italy.
Pereskiopsis: A common and temporary grafting stock that produces very fast growth with an increased tendency for the scion to offset freely. A useful stock for very small or young scions. The tips of the young shoots are best for grafting very young seedlings. Because of the thin diameter of the stem, this is a useful stock for many tiny or very young species (including areole grafting which is sometimes called tubercle grafting). "Grafting With Pereskiopsis" by Malcom Burleigh is an excellent article on the subject, just one of many grafting articles in the CSSA publication Special Grafting Issue, vol. 69, #1. Also check out the David Rushforth article for grafting young Ariocarpus seedlings. The same technique can be used with Selenicereus grandiflorus grafting stock when kept in a high humidity environment for up to 10 days after grafting. For more advanced grafting using Pereskiopsis, see the article by by Irina V. Ovchinnikova.
Selenicereus grandiflorus: A useful stock for grafting very small pups or very young seedling scions. Roots quickly from cuttings, especially when the cutting has one or more aerial roots. Aerial roots will form more quickly in a higher humidity enclosure, which will allow the cuttings to grow more quickly after planting. Once the grafted scion becomes larger, it can be degrafted by cutting just above the point of union and allowed to root like a regular cutting. This will allow the degrafted plant to grow on its own roots and begin to take on more of the natural characteristics of the native plant.
Stenocereus: Stenocereus pruinosus (Lemairocereus pruinosus) and Stenocereus victoriensis (Stenocereus griseus) are the most common species and usually available almost anywhere cacti are sold. However, the wider bodied species can have a significant amount of surface shrinkage and are probably best used for grafting offsets rather than seedlings. Taller thinner bodied species are less prone to surface shrinkage and are more suitable for grafting seedlings. Be sure to use adequate pressure upon the scion for proper bonding. Some of the species are sensitive to excess fertilizer, so water only with plain water prior to grafting. Do not use unless they are in an active growth period.
Trichocereus: Many of the open spination types of Trichocereus species work well as fast growing columnar stocks and have a good success rate for lasting a long time. Trichocereus pachanoi (San Pedro Cactus) is commonly suggested as a universal grafting stock. Any of the shorter spined strains of Trichocereus bridgesii or Trichocereus peruvianus will also work just as well or even some faster growing strains of Trichocereus werdermannianus. Trichocereus macrogonus and Trichocereus pasacana are often recommended for colder climates. Scions grafted on Trichocereus might initially take slightly longer to begin their growth burst (when compared to other grafting stocks), but usually have a very good life span of steady fast growth.
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Glad to see this thread has been cleaned up some. to whoever did that.
Thanks
Edited by Wiccan_Seeker (11/09/05 06:51 AM)
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Thought id add some Links.
http://www.thenook.org/forum/index.php?s=3714efb2f27c6a2a4f97af86b08ecb69&showforum=62 Lots of experts their.
http://www.mushmush.nl/?page=home\methods (scroll down to the bottom "cacti")
I wouldnt be where I am today with my cacti if it werent for mushmush and the nook.
Peace Rah
Edited by Rah (11/09/05 11:18 AM)
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Wow sure is purdy with out all that static clinging around
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