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Offlineclosetgrower
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casing h poo
    #4154707 - 05/09/05 09:15 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i've seen it posted that you dont have to case h poo to get good results. it would be nice to skip the time and effort if its not realy nesisary. does anyone have an opinion on this? :mushroom2:


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Re: casing h poo [Re: closetgrower]
    #4154721 - 05/09/05 09:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

casing helps prevent contams which alone makes it worth it. also it makes a moisture retaining microclimate which is also worth it since mushrooms are 90-92% water u need all the water u can get as well as contam prevention. id case it if i were u but, u dont have to like uve heard


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Re: casing h poo [Re: closetgrower]
    #4154737 - 05/09/05 09:25 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Nothing beats a proper casing layer, but H/poo can be fruited without one. If you decide to do this, make sure you can provide decently high humidity. Fruiting poo in it's own tub can provide the right humidity environment without a casing layer.


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Re: casing h poo [Re: Holydiver]
    #4154777 - 05/09/05 09:38 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

am i more likely to get a more even pinset if i dont case?
i'v only done one casing, and it was far from good as far as first flushes.


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Re: casing h poo [Re: closetgrower]
    #4154790 - 05/09/05 09:41 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Hard to say, I've seen some pretty nice flushes from non-cased poo. I've also seen the best pinsets from casing, hands down. It really depends on how even you can get your casing layer, and how even the substrate is below that. Your timing when initiating fruiting is a big factor too.


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Re: casing h poo [Re: closetgrower]
    #4154792 - 05/09/05 09:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I would also recommend casing. Good Luck.
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Re: casing h poo [Re: closetgrower]
    #4154846 - 05/09/05 09:56 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Casing it - will get you more & better flushs.


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Re: casing h poo [Re: closetgrower]
    #4154882 - 05/09/05 10:04 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

horse poo without casing.


so yes its possible.

I usually use a casing layer these days.

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Re: casing h poo [Re: agar]
    #4154883 - 05/09/05 10:04 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

case it it is then. whats the best method for sterilizing the casing matrl. i'v been using the micro-wave and it dries out the mix big time.


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Re: casing h poo [Re: agar]
    #4154897 - 05/09/05 10:07 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

on a related note, is it true that a thicker substrate will give thicker fuller fruits (due to increased water retention?), making it in some ways superior to a thinner casing substrate w/ greater surface area?


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Re: casing h poo [Re: closetgrower]
    #4154898 - 05/09/05 10:07 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I have to agree with the others and say case it. The quantity and size of mushrooms produced are directly related to how much moisture is provided; a properly applied and maintained casing will provide the moisture for maximum production.


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Re: casing h poo [Re: closetgrower]
    #4154904 - 05/09/05 10:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I nuke mine in an autoclave bag, with a rubber band holding the bag closed, but not so tight - steam cannot escape (otherwise bag explodes).

2.5 minutes 3 times & flipping the bag & allowing it to rest 1 minute between intervals does it for me. If it is a bit dry - afterwards - add some boiled water (cooled first).


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Re: casing h poo [Re: dog]
    #4154912 - 05/09/05 10:10 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

dog said:

I have to agree with the others and say case it. The quantity and size of mushrooms produced are directly related to how much moisture is provided; a properly applied and maintained casing will provide the moisture for maximum production.




...in most cases.



the largest cubes I have ever seen grown...have been on substrate without a casing layer.

but...there were fewer fruits on the substrate!~


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Re: casing h poo [Re: Roadkill]
    #4154921 - 05/09/05 10:13 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

why does a casing layer result in a larger pinset? does it have to do with heat retention?


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Re: casing h poo [Re: deathbychimney]
    #4154955 - 05/09/05 10:28 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

nope

moisture

a casing layer makes a better myco enviroment.


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Re: casing h poo [Re: Roadkill]
    #4155060 - 05/09/05 11:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Ive always been curios if you kept your bulk subs at 99% RH and good air exchange with adequate lighitng if you can get the same pinsets and you could casing.....ive always had this thought.
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Re: casing h poo [Re: GregHimself]
    #4155105 - 05/09/05 11:12 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

the bulk horse poo tray up above was at close to 99% rh.

you might be on to something.

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Re: casing h poo [Re: Roadkill]
    #4155119 - 05/09/05 11:16 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks roadkill, i also have an indea for a modified pf cake tek if anyone wants to try it out, its the same mixture i use in making mycobags, 1part aged cow dung, 1 part simmered rye Via Magash tek, and .5part vermiculite, add water to hydrate manure/verm to field capcity, put into half pints, add vermic layer and pc/inject as normal, i know it works excellent in bags, and i am sure it would work very vrey well in 1/2pints fruited as cakes.

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