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Kaydren
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I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics*
#4153448 - 05/09/05 01:09 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright, so I went out on a spree a bit ago, spent money and bought all my stuff to start my adventure into shrooming! Thinking it was going to be an easy job with all the help from the forums and teks, I was "assured" I would see some results (I was thinking too far into the future)... I set up a PmP and such, they stay from 70-77 degrees with 95%+ humidity in the PMP and 85% in the regular terrarium
Ive yet to have a contam, which is alright, but Ive also yet to fruit... ANYTHING... and its not like Im in a hurry, My jars took over a month to colonize in the first place! I did 4 casings and 7 cakes, and In like 3 weeks, Ive yet to see anything from the cakes, but the casings SEEM healthy, but Im now getting worried...
Here are cake shots, Its NOT a contam, Ive checked all over and did a swab test... but then why dont they want to fruit?
Here are Casings, 50/50+ tek peat/verm/oyster/hydrated lime, The ones in the PmP look liek they might have overlay, any suggestions? I left for the weekend and when I came back they looked like that, still alright?
And here it all is together, It stillg ets cold around here so I have to keep a heatbomb outside and a space heater in the room to keep it above 70, also my liquid culture has been alive for like 3 weeks and Still only has little whips, nowhere NEAR what everybody else gets with them any help?
So thanks guys, and please respond ASAP Am I just being too nervous? or did I do something wrong?
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
#4153458 - 05/09/05 01:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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how long have the cakes and casings been in the fruiting chamber?
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
#4153465 - 05/09/05 01:13 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Are you providing all three pinning triggers to your cakes & casings?
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Kaydren
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: dog]
#4153481 - 05/09/05 01:22 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cakes been in for like 2 weeks + maybe even 3
Casings maybe a week, I put the ones in the Fish tank on friday, but I dont expect them that fast
The 3 triggers? Fresh Air exchange, Humidity, and light? Yeah, they get 12 hours of natural light, as I dont close the shade there... ANy other thoughts or help? Thx guys Keep em comming!
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
#4153502 - 05/09/05 01:36 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Man, those cakes look like they tried to pin, formed big gnarly knots, but something stopped them (lysol spray maybe) from completing the process.
Your substrate trays are looking good.
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: agar]
#4153517 - 05/09/05 01:42 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I know right?! I dont get it, I used Lysol in the other end of the house (cuz I knew of the mutantness) but I never used it near the cakes, Somebody said they got something like that cuz of too high humidity but eventually the cakes fruited, but my question was, do you think they need to be redunked if I am waiting for that long? and oh boy Ive finally had the Amazing Agar post on one of my threads! Oh boy! Thx!
How long until pinning do you think on the casings then? I thought they had overlay, but I guess not? Jsut keep misting and fanning?
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: agar]
#4153529 - 05/09/05 01:47 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I know I'm fairly new to cultivating here, but I would cut those areas of the cakes that look like failed pins, dunk for 24, crumble and case. Those cakes look like they're a sealed unit with no where to go.
I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of those cakes have inverted pins on the inside.
Your casings do look good though. Anyone else agree on the crumble and case theory?
P.S. I wouldn't fruit cakes and casings in the same chamber. Cakes need more humidity than casings do. You may hinder one or the other by having identical conditions for both.
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
#4153549 - 05/09/05 01:51 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm no cake wizard - because I never did any. But, to high RH will cause a cake to do that - sometimes.
Sub trays just look like they could use more fresh air exchange & they should start to form pins. Don't mist directly on the myc. Spray very fine mist indirectly over then - towards the sides of the tub. Be patiant, you will get there.
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Kaydren
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: agar]
#4153579 - 05/09/05 02:05 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hmm, Augustin that actualyl sounds like a great idea, I persoanlly dont like the whole cake stuff so mayne Ill jump to casings 100%, But Im gonna wait to see what other people offer before I go slaying my little cakes :P THx!
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
#4153601 - 05/09/05 02:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fug cakes. Case them, and fug BRF in the future. Get some rye or millet. Some horse poo would be nice too.
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: scatmanrav]
#4153624 - 05/09/05 02:18 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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just curious as to the strain you are working with. those are some pretty big knots on your cakes, something happened environmentally to make them stall like that.
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: backupwards]
#4153669 - 05/09/05 02:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, I wouldve most definitly hopped to casings or bulk or whatever, except the Gurus said to start small with BRF cakes (as you can see Ive failed at that anyway >_< ) I was going to try birdseed or rye spawning next time, but you agree with Augustin with the slay them and case them?
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
#4153677 - 05/09/05 02:33 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
#4153720 - 05/09/05 02:50 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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What do you guys think about genetics maybe??? Just a thought, and Agar I keep cakes at 99% humidity at all times and never have knots like what hes getting. Also i will fruit cakes and casings in the same chamber without any problems, I take that back, they can get a little overgrown but if you time things right i dont have any problems with it affecting my pinset. Im really curious about the genetics of the straing your using, if all cakes are acting like this it seems that may be a route to follow.
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: agar]
#4153747 - 05/09/05 02:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm no cake wizard - because I never did any. But, to high RH will cause a cake to do that - sometimes.
I've never seen a cake do that from high humidity.
and I run all my cake grows at super high rh...close to 99%
when I'm developing a new strain...I always do grows on BRF/Verm cakes and casings...to test my results.
so I still dinker with cakes from time to time.
I have seen this happen with Puerto Ricans though...
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: hawksapprentice]
#4153751 - 05/09/05 02:58 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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What do you guys think about genetics maybe???
that is a very good possiblity bro!~
I'd buy that.
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Roadkill]
#4153763 - 05/09/05 03:01 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks looks like some mighty tasty cauliflower Roadkill.
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: hawksapprentice]
#4153952 - 05/09/05 03:43 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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>>Agar I keep cakes at 99% humidity at all times and never have knots like what hes getting.<<
I guess I should have clarified my answer better. I meant from DIRECT HEAVY MISTING.
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: agar]
#4154018 - 05/09/05 03:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thx guys, unless somebody says otherwise, I think Im gonna case them with 50/50+ ? Should I break off those knot things and then dunk them again? That way all ill have is casings in the chamber, so it solves 2 of our problems? And can I eat the knots I harvest? Not that itll have nearly enough psil. in it to trip, but why not try? Also, should I patch the other trays now? Or just let them be? Thx guys!
P.S. Its nice to have you post too RK
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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
#4154037 - 05/09/05 04:04 PM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do a little test for us.
take those nubs off...and dunk the cakes.
then either fruit them as cakes...or case them...your choice.
should be interesting to see if the nubs come back.
be sure and post your results.
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