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I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics*
    #4153448 - 05/09/05 01:09 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Alright, so I went out on a spree a bit ago, spent money and bought all my stuff to start my adventure into shrooming!  Thinking it was going to be an easy job with all the help from the forums and teks, I was "assured" I would see some results (I was thinking too far into the future)... I set up a PmP and such, they stay from 70-77 degrees with 95%+ humidity in the PMP and 85% in the regular terrarium

Ive yet to have a contam, which is alright, but Ive also yet to fruit... ANYTHING... and its not like Im in a hurry, My jars took over a month to colonize in the first place! I did 4 casings and 7 cakes, and In like 3 weeks, Ive yet to see anything from the cakes, but the casings SEEM healthy, but Im now getting worried...

Here are cake shots, Its NOT a contam, Ive checked all over and did a swab test... but then why dont they want to fruit?




Here are Casings, 50/50+ tek peat/verm/oyster/hydrated lime,  The ones in the PmP look liek they might have overlay, any suggestions?  I left for the weekend and when I came back they looked like that, still alright?





And here it all is together, It stillg ets cold around here so I have to keep a heatbomb outside and a space heater in the room to keep it above 70, also my liquid culture has been alive for like 3 weeks and Still only has little whips, nowhere NEAR what everybody else gets with them :frown: any help?


So thanks guys, and please respond ASAP :frown:  Am I just being too nervous? or did I do something wrong?


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
    #4153458 - 05/09/05 01:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

how long have the cakes and casings been in the fruiting chamber?


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
    #4153465 - 05/09/05 01:13 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Are you providing all three pinning triggers to your cakes & casings?


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: dog]
    #4153481 - 05/09/05 01:22 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Cakes been in for like 2 weeks + maybe even 3

Casings maybe a week, I put the ones in the Fish tank on friday, but I dont expect them that fast

The 3 triggers?  Fresh Air exchange, Humidity, and light?  Yeah, they get 12 hours of natural light, as I dont close the shade there... ANy other thoughts or help? :smile:  Thx guys Keep em comming!


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
    #4153502 - 05/09/05 01:36 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Man, those cakes look like they tried to pin, formed big gnarly knots, but something stopped them (lysol spray maybe) from completing the process.

Your substrate trays are looking good.


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: agar]
    #4153517 - 05/09/05 01:42 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I know right?!  I dont get it, I used Lysol in the other end of the house (cuz I knew of the mutantness) but I never used it near the cakes, Somebody said they got something like that cuz of too high humidity but eventually the cakes fruited, but my question was, do you think they need to be redunked if I am waiting for that long?  and oh boy Ive finally had the Amazing Agar post on one of my threads! Oh boy! Thx! :laugh: 

How long until pinning do you think on the casings then? I thought they had overlay, but I guess not? Jsut keep misting and fanning?


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: agar]
    #4153529 - 05/09/05 01:47 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I know I'm fairly new to cultivating here, but I would cut those areas of the cakes that look like failed pins, dunk for 24, crumble and case. Those cakes look like they're a sealed unit with no where to go.

I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of those cakes have inverted pins on the inside.

Your casings do look good though. Anyone else agree on the crumble and case theory?

P.S. I wouldn't fruit cakes and casings in the same chamber. Cakes need more humidity than casings do. You may hinder one or the other by having identical conditions for both.

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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
    #4153549 - 05/09/05 01:51 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I'm no cake wizard - because I never did any. But, to high RH will cause a cake to do that - sometimes.

Sub trays just look like they could use more fresh air exchange & they should start to form pins. Don't mist directly on the myc. Spray very fine mist indirectly over then - towards the sides of the tub. Be patiant, you will get there.

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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: agar]
    #4153579 - 05/09/05 02:05 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Hmm, Augustin that actualyl sounds like a great idea, I persoanlly dont like the whole cake stuff :frown: so mayne Ill jump to casings 100%, But Im gonna wait to see what other people offer before I go slaying my little cakes :P  THx!


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
    #4153601 - 05/09/05 02:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Fug cakes. Case them, and fug BRF in the future. Get some rye or millet. Some horse poo would be nice too.


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4153624 - 05/09/05 02:18 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

just curious as to the strain you are working with. those are some pretty big knots on your cakes, something happened environmentally to make them stall like that.

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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: backupwards]
    #4153669 - 05/09/05 02:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I wouldve most definitly hopped to casings or bulk or whatever, except the Gurus said to start small with BRF cakes (as you can see Ive failed at that anyway >_< ) I was going to try birdseed or rye spawning next time, but you agree with Augustin with the slay them and case them?


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
    #4153677 - 05/09/05 02:33 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4153720 - 05/09/05 02:50 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

What do you guys think about genetics maybe??? Just a thought, and Agar I keep cakes at 99% humidity at all times and never have knots like what hes getting. Also i will fruit cakes and casings in the same chamber without any problems, I take that back, they can get a little overgrown but if you time things right i dont have any problems with it affecting my pinset. Im really curious about the genetics of the straing your using, if all cakes are acting like this it seems that may be a route to follow.


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: agar]
    #4153747 - 05/09/05 02:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm no cake wizard - because I never did any. But, to high RH will cause a cake to do that - sometimes.




I've never seen a cake do that from high humidity.

and I run all my cake grows at super high rh...close to 99%

when I'm developing a new strain...I always do grows on BRF/Verm cakes and casings...to test my results.

so I still dinker with cakes from time to time.

I have seen this happen with Puerto Ricans though...


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4153751 - 05/09/05 02:58 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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What do you guys think about genetics maybe???




that is a very good possiblity bro!~

I'd buy that.


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Roadkill]
    #4153763 - 05/09/05 03:01 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks looks like some mighty tasty cauliflower Roadkill.  :wink:

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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4153952 - 05/09/05 03:43 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

>>Agar I keep cakes at 99% humidity at all times and never have knots like what hes getting.<<

I guess I should have clarified my answer better. I meant from DIRECT HEAVY MISTING.


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: agar]
    #4154018 - 05/09/05 03:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Thx guys, unless somebody says otherwise, I think Im gonna case them with 50/50+ ?  Should I break off those knot things and then dunk them again?  That way all ill have is casings in the chamber, so it solves 2 of our problems?  And can I eat the knots I harvest?  Not that itll have nearly enough psil. in it to trip, but why not try?  Also, should I patch the other trays now?  Or just let them be?  Thx guys!

P.S. Its nice to have you post too RK :laugh:


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
    #4154037 - 05/09/05 04:04 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Do a little test for us.

take those nubs off...and dunk the cakes.

then either fruit them as cakes...or case them...your choice.

should be interesting to see if the nubs come back.

be sure and post your results.

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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
    #4154042 - 05/09/05 04:05 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

PM me if you want a print, just in case its genetics.


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Wronguy]
    #4154057 - 05/09/05 04:09 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I've actually had that problem b4. There's only one way to get those cakes to do anything at this point, bury them! Make sure you skin them 1st. It's a combination of contams with high humidity. When your humidity is way to high, like with the PuertoRican's, you'll get the crazy spaghetti like mycelia as shown in RK's pic. I've seen it happen when mycelia piss or spaghetti myc form and you change your RH levels. The piss will dry up and change color like in your 1st 2 pix and then create the contams. It's almost as you melted the mushies and stopped the cakes from breathing. I'm sure if you smell them, they probably don't smell 2 good. If you would have keep the RH constant you probably would have the same Kind of pic that RK had, but the RH level WAS changed possibly to dry them a bit and those cakes are the result. Someone is messing with your temps...

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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4154084 - 05/09/05 04:18 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Also i will fruit cakes and casings in the same chamber without any problems, I take that back, they can get a little overgrown but if you time things right i don't have any problems with it affecting my pinset.




Hawksapprentice,  I was just wondering what the tricky timing requirements are that you try to meet to get the cakes and cases to work together in the same chamber are?  Do you try to start the cakes first, then the cases last in hopes that the cakes will be completed when the cases start to pin?  If so, how does this affect the next flushes for both, since the cakes like higher RH?  Any other tips on that?

ps., sorry in advance Kaydren if this thread gets hijacked. :tongue2:

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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: CLUTCH]
    #4154247 - 05/09/05 04:59 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Also i will fruit cakes and casings in the same chamber without any problems, I take that back, they can get a little overgrown but if you time things right i don't have any problems with it affecting my pinset.




Hawksapprentice,  I was just wondering what the tricky timing requirements are that you try to meet to get the cakes and cases to work together in the same chamber are?  Do you try to start the cakes first, then the cases last in hopes that the cakes will be completed when the cases start to pin?  If so, how does this affect the next flushes for both, since the cakes like higher RH?  Any other tips on that?

ps., sorry in advance Kaydren if this thread gets hijacked. :tongue2:




Your thinking to much. Just get a big chamber and humidify it (85-99%) and add fresh air and stick a casing or cake in an open spot....when its ready, harvest it, and refruit it. Then after 2-5 flushes, toss it and you have a new open spot for a new cake or casing. They dont all have to be started at the same time.



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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4154298 - 05/09/05 05:10 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Rk I think I will do that, Maybe tomorrow, and whip up a new batch of LC >_<  Thx guys! :laugh:


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
    #4154818 - 05/09/05 07:48 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I love that, i would still rather have him thinking too much than reading too little.

What i meant, Clutch, was the timming from casing your cakesto vegging, sorry i call incubating vegging, to fruiting. I usually put it into the fruiting chamber a little bit sooner if im putting them at 95-99% percent humidity.


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
    #4154918 - 05/09/05 08:12 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Hey guys, I just hacked off all the hard layer and holy crap!!! It was T O U G H my exacto knife wouldnt even pierce it, I finally tore it off, and now I have mycelium skin and some cakes being dunked in the fridge, so Im going to probably case them, maybe in one big bulk? like birth 2 of them and throw 5 cakes into a tub and try that? Oh and is it safe to eat this mycelium skin? Im going to scrape off all the verm, but is it alright to eat or no?


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
    #4155029 - 05/09/05 08:52 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Well, from what limited knowledge anyone seems to have of this particular problem and the chance that it may indeed be contam ridden, and the fact that an exacto knife had a hard time peircing that sking, i wouls stay right the hell away from it, start with new gentics and try your grow again. Just my two cents man, oh yah, and i agree with whoever said to just bury the damn things. Later.


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
    #4155177 - 05/09/05 09:34 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I dunno man, but the thought of it disgusts me, but would I trip if I ate this crap? most likely Id get really sick eh?


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
    #4155188 - 05/09/05 09:37 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

well usually there isnt much psilocybin in a cake that hasnt fruited, but if it bruises blue when u cut it off there is SOME psilocybin/psilocin in there somehwere...lue=you MAY trip but is it really worth the health factors involved?


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: GregHimself]
    #4155231 - 05/09/05 09:52 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Good point, alright, tossing them as we speak! :smile:  I hope that it was just this time and not genetically, we shall see though...  Ive got the 7 cakes without skin  being dunked, theyre fully colonized inside though, so Im hoping when I birth 3 of em and case 4 of em that it will all be fixed :smile:


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
    #4155256 - 05/09/05 09:59 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

It almost sounds like you got some overlay on those cakes somehow..did you roll them in verm and have the temps up really high again like incubation temps for a while?


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: GregHimself]
    #4155266 - 05/09/05 10:01 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I was thinking the overlay thing too! I dunk and rolled em, but if anything the temps went really LOW to like the 60s Maybe Im just special?


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: Kaydren]
    #4155277 - 05/09/05 10:03 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

yah i duno....sue is wierd though bro.


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Re: I suck really bad >_< Help Please :( *pics* [Re: GregHimself]
    #4155433 - 05/09/05 10:46 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Don't do it, Don't be so desperate bro your almost there. Try flat cake tek. You might get some mushies, at this point you have nothing to lose, so experiment.


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