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OfflineAlan Stone
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Moral relativism
    #4152426 - 05/09/05 04:38 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

This post goes out to the average person in this part of the globe.

Moral relativism is the mark of a spoiled child. We Westenders are not forced to grow up. We don't encounter anything truly painful, our suffering is caused by mediocrity at best.

We see ourselves as the standard for everything and anything. Famine? Doesn't affect us as long as we're not hungry. Poverty? Don't care, as long as I have my luxury goods. Disease? Why care if I'm not ill? Won't we be fucked once we lose our economic advantage over other parts of the globe.

I think we could do with a war on our own soil or a plague, just to shake things up and show us what truly matters.


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4152433 - 05/09/05 04:39 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Agreed.


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: slaphappy]
    #4152462 - 05/09/05 04:59 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

"We don't encounter anything truly painful"

Speak for yourself. Pain and it's effects are relative to the person who precieves it and thier experiences. I do not know what you know of pain, but I've encountered pain that has been as true as my preception of this thread I am responding to. Just because most of us don't have first hand experience of cultural genocide or simillar horrors, does not exclude us from the preception of pain on many levels, in many forms, truly.


"I think we could do with a war on our own soil or a plague, just to shake things up and show us what truly matters."

  :shake: This is just foolish :nonono:


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4152471 - 05/09/05 05:11 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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This post goes out to the average person in this part of the globe.




Quote:

You said:
Speak for yourself. Pain and it's effects are relative to the person who precieves it and thier experiences.




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I do not know what you know of pain, but I've encountered pain that has been as true as my preception of this thread I am responding to.



I ruptured my spleen when I was ten. The released blood was pressing up against a nerve that runs from your spleen to your shoulder. The result: non-stop pain for 30 days. That's not real pain, in my opinion. We don't know the pain of being. We don't have a life that truly sucks.

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This is just foolish



Is it? Aren't the fasions of today - cosmetic surgery, image, SUVs, anorexia, nitwit socialites, "reality" tv, etc - just as foolish, if not more so?


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4152493 - 05/09/05 05:38 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

nothing is as foolish as wishing for war.





a ruptured spleen is pain, sure it is. I don't personally think physical pain compares to the depths pain can reach emotionally though. Some of us, admitidly few, but some do have lives that, indeed, truley suck. Our people in general have not experienced a fraction of the pain that some other major cultures have, true. I do not belive, however, that this means we do not know anything truley painful. You make good points. I would not feel compeled to provide an argument if they were just silly. Anytime you generalize something as broad as an entire culture with something as personal and individual as pain or suffering, it opens the flood gates for easy conversation and argument from many angles.


but again, war is just the most horrible thing one could wish for.

we could stand to have things shaken up, but not by war. Negative energies produce negative results.


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4152518 - 05/09/05 05:50 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

War should be avoided at all costs. It is a last resort, not a tool to be used to shape people.


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4152565 - 05/09/05 08:16 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

We don't know the pain of being. We don't have a life that truly sucks.
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You have no idea how the average person suffers except in a physical way. I think most average americans suffer horribly, on the emotional level. Some would consider that worse than physical suffering. In fact I believe from my experience in the health field, that most people create physical suffering in their bodies by first creating unrelieved emotional suffering in their minds. :mushroom2:


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4153006 - 05/09/05 12:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Alan Stone said:
This post goes out to the average person in this part of the globe.

Moral relativism is the mark of a spoiled child. We Westenders are not forced to grow up. We don't encounter anything truly painful, our suffering is caused by mediocrity at best.

We see ourselves as the standard for everything and anything. Famine? Doesn't affect us as long as we're not hungry. Poverty? Don't care, as long as I have my luxury goods. Disease? Why care if I'm not ill? Won't we be fucked once we lose our economic advantage over other parts of the globe.

I think we could do with a war on our own soil or a plague, just to shake things up and show us what truly matters.




what a load of nonsense. Which countries in the world are on the vanguard for disease research? which countries give the most aid?

And what does this have to do with moral relativism? nonsense! you speak idiotic nonsense! you wish for war? what an insult to all those who have sacrificed their lives. Its VE day and this is all you can come up with?


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: Alan Stone]
    #4153065 - 05/09/05 01:02 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Alan Stone said:
I think we could do with a war on our own soil or a plague, just to shake things up and show us what truly matters.




That makes me want to be sick.


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: Icelander]
    #4153070 - 05/09/05 01:04 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:

You have no idea how the average person suffers except in a physical way. I think most average americans suffer horribly, on the emotional level. Some would consider that worse than physical suffering. In fact I believe from my experience in the health field, that most people create physical suffering in their bodies by first creating unrelieved emotional suffering in their minds. :mushroom2:




I've actually been pondering this idea for awhile and i think i agree with it.

Besides, seeing the incredibly high number of pills that the western civilization consumes, doesn't that show that we have a lot of pain we are trying to deal with? We're just not going at it the correct way. We think that outer cures will heal inner pains. or something like that


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: exclusive58]
    #4153131 - 05/09/05 01:24 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

exclusive;

Besides, seeing the incredibly high number of pills that the western civilization consumes, doesn't that show that we have a lot of pain we are trying to deal with?


---no, it shows that those living in developed countries are affluent enough to afford synthetic drugs.


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: Icelander]
    #4153154 - 05/09/05 01:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
We don't know the pain of being. We don't have a life that truly sucks.
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You have no idea how the average person suffers except in a physical way. I think most average americans suffer horribly, on the emotional level. Some would consider that worse than physical suffering. In fact I believe from my experience in the health field, that most people create physical suffering in their bodies by first creating unrelieved emotional suffering in their minds. :mushroom2:




Oh, yea, I can see a lot of suffering over there, no wonder there is so much violence in US.
But most of the suffering has been caused by people to themselfs,
for example someone being obsessed by looking good and ignoring everything else in life will be suffering when he gets old because he is not young and beautifull to others


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: Doom]
    #4153155 - 05/09/05 01:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

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And what does this have to do with moral relativism? nonsense!



Heh, I was thinking the same thing. Moral relativism is a completely different theory.


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: spud]
    #4153175 - 05/09/05 01:38 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Great empires, like romans and US develop moral relativism before they fall down because of inner problems


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4153181 - 05/09/05 01:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

well, the US is going the opposite direction away from moral relatavism, so....I assume their empire is on the ascent.


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: Doom]
    #4153200 - 05/09/05 01:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Really? I don't have that impression
Give me an example of that


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4153204 - 05/09/05 01:47 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

the new american century


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: Doom]
    #4153226 - 05/09/05 01:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

what is that?


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Re: Moral relativism [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4153232 - 05/09/05 01:55 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Moral relativism [Re: Doom]
    #4153247 - 05/09/05 02:03 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

that doesn't seem like the rise of age of high morality and enlightenment

It's just another change in political strategy


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