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Sorry for the rough online translation . But this is a very good thing here in Portugal. It means the previous decriminalization laws have been a success and we have to move torwards a really free society .
interview Goul?o Jo?o pres. Instit. of Drugs and Toxicodepend?ncia (IDT)
"To legalize the drugs it is inevitable in the future" The exchange of syringes in the arrests is "urgent", the prevention does not have to be moralista and the free society of drugs is an utopia
fernanda c?ncio rute ara?jo DN-Peter Hail
Ten years ago, ' the drug ' was the public enemy number one of the Portuguese, in the speech politician and the soundings. Now almost he disappeared. What he is that was transferred?
The strategies of reduction of damages, have even so not been led so far how much they had, they had come to diminish the public visibility and the feeling of threat that the constitu?a drug for the Portuguese. E had brought the biggest one offers of treatment, the reduction of crime associated with the drug. E also the therapeutical ones of opi?cea substitution, as metadona.
It makes confusion to it that a person takes metadona all the life?
I think that all the moment we can rethink the therapeutical one and the exit. Eventually in current practical the this question it is not so present, perhaps for inertia.
It has been said very - Jorge Sampaio (president of Portugal ) already said some times to it - in the necessity of a new paradigm for this combat, in substitution of the proibicionista paradigm. The European Parliament approved a report in this direction To admit that a "free society of drugs" is not possible and that she is necessary to know to live with them. What thinks of this?
The strategies of reduction of damages have to see with this pragmatic vision to try to minimize the ominous effect of the drugs in the individuals and the society. The proibicionismo lead the complicated situations very. Exactly when a consumer does not want or he does not obtain to suspend the consumption, he continues to deserve investment.
He has who defends that the best way passes for the legalization of the now illicit drugs. Which is its opinion?
I think that it is a way that we go to follow, in the future. The new paradigm, if to calhar, passes for there, the legalization and regulation of venda and consumption of the drugs. I believe that it is inevitable, but is something that will have of being made in set for some countries. This is a way made for small steps. The descriminaliza??o, made for initiative of the current first-minister in 1999, would not have been possible ten years before and later it was acceptance of pacific form. In this phase, we must consolidate what we have.
E which its priorities?
I think that it is necessary to elaborate a plan with horizon 2012, but is not necessary to invent the wheel. It already was invented. She is necessary to fulfill to the previous strategy [ elaborated by the Government of Guterres ]. Much was for making. Since soon, in the primary prevention. She is necessary to reformulate it in order to become it more realistic, more pro-asset, more developed in half Reals. Another one is to cure the lacks the level of the treatment still has people in list of wait in Sintra, Set?bal... We do not have to construct new CAT, but to create faster answers, for example in the health centers, to create you equip furniture, capable to advance, for example, for the interior. E we have to review the municipal plans of combat to the toxicodepend?ncia, one of the great priorities of the previous Government, that use resources of the IDT for activities that me do not seem to be our vocation.
The previous Government affirmed to bet in the prevention, but it left to fall the education for the health in the schools...
She is necessary to bet in this area with bigger envolvement of the addressees. To teach the young to not only prevent the risks, but also to face them. It liked to see you equip of street to actuar in ways of diversion nocturna. What already it happened, but finished for leaving of if making due to financing.
It defends the use of tests to the 'E pills ', as becomes in Holland?
Yes, since that this is used to advantage to make prevention, speaking concerning the effective perigosidade of substances (allowed and illicit), informing the people so that they can make choices, while it also functions as reduction of damages, since it can hinder takes it by ' maradas ' tablets... Clearly that you equip them that they make this they have of being constituted by people with characteristics special, with capacity of empatia, without the sapientes attitude of technician nor moralismos.
In 2002, when it left the presidency of the Service of Prevention and treatment of Toxicodepend?ncia (SPTT), it said that one of the reasons of the insult of the strategy was the financing lack. It must have had 160 million euros for this combat in 2004... Already it knows with how much counts?
I am certain that we are very far of this value, even so does not know which the available budget. Clearly that thus it was not possible to fulfill the strategy, and this must have been had in account in the evaluation that was taken the handle for the National Institute of Administration. The strategy pointed with respect to an inter-ministerial service next to first -- the minister, with being able to take definitive measures. Much of this was for the way with the fusing between the SPTT and the Portuguese Institute of the Drug and the Toxicodepend?ncia.
That it criticized in the height, but whose from there resultant entity now comes to preside over. It is an irony.
It is. But much energy in the fusing was lost, not if it can come back behind.
The Commissions of Dissuas?o (CDT) had been one of the great new features, by the way estreia world-wide, of the strategy. It integrated a group that evaluated its performance. Which its perception of the functioning of the CDT?
I think that they had been sobredimensionadas. They are too much weighed, bureaucratic structures. They have of being flexibilizadas, diminishing the weight of controllers and giving relief to the technician. It is necessary to more articulate them with the treatment, the accompaniment of the consumers...
The CDT deal over all with hashish consumers. What it is that becomes a hashish consumer ?
For the majority of the young, the hashish is seen as a substance without risk of danger, and this is not truth. She is necessary to inform them of this.
That risks are these?
Although a nexus of causalidade between the schizophrenia is not established, psychotic surtos and the consumption of the substance, more has a raised incidence between the consumers. It exists the amotivacional syndrome in the users most frequent, and has a bigger risk for the pulm?es that the caused one for the tobacco. One charro is equivalent to a tobacco mallet.
How it is that it explains a young that this substance is forbidden and it does not have to be consumed because it has these and these risks when the alcohol and the tobacco are not forbidden and have so great or bigger risks?
I agree that it is difficult to explain. All the societies have its drugs. Our traditional drug is the alcohol, and also the tobacco. But if to calhar we have to think that the hashish also already is incorporated in our culture, is current has 30 years. These small ones if to calhar turn the parents, the grandmothers, to use it. E this has of being incorporated in the speech. It does not mean that let us have to be even underneath. We have is of in beating them for diminishing the tobacco consumptions, of alcohol and hashish . To create healthful styles of life.
The private centers of combat to the tobaccoism have much search. The State would not have, that collects taxes with this consumption, to actuar in this area
Yes But not through the IDT, because I see in the tab?gico habit a dependence and not a toxicodepend?ncia.
The previous minister spoke to include the combat to alcoholism in the attributions of the IDT. The Centers of Attendance the Toxicodependentes go to start to take care of alcoholic?
I do not agree to the attribution of abilities to the IDT on alcoholism tout court . In the practical one, the CAT already work in this area, because many toxicodependentes are policonsumidores. We will have difficulty in receiving all the alcoholic ones.
Much more money to the combat to the illicit drugs is placed that to the alcohol, whose dependence afecta much more people - the estimates point with respect to a million. It seems to it just?
Some of our structure also can be involved in this combat. It can have some afecta??o of resources. The net of stipulated therapeutical communities, into this moment had as extreme in relation to the necessities, can be become for the combat to alcoholism. E we not only have a community of heroine dependents each time older and sick, some are run aground in the system, hung in the assistance, without life alternative. She is necessary to find a reply for this type of people. E I find that some of these therapeutical communities can be changedded into residential units of long duration, with cares of health...
It is a short while strong word. But she is necessary to find a solution for this very small band of people.