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Strassman - DMT The Spirit Molecule
    #4149369 - 05/08/05 06:56 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

So after the underpopulated marijuana march and the outdoor concert that was interupted by rain I had nothing to do yesterday. So I went into a barns and noble and saw DMT The spirit molecule by Rick Strassman. I picked it up, and ended up sitting there all day reading the entire book. I skimed over some parts here and there, but for the most part I read the whole thing yesterday. I was a good read, the trip reports where interesting. It's too bad the research did'nt work out so well. I can understand how trips to other plains of existance could be hard to research. :laugh:

I suggest takeing a look at this book for all who have not. Not a bad way to spend a saturday afternoon/evening. :thumbup:


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    #4149446 - 05/08/05 08:45 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Strassman - DMT The Spirit Molecule [Re: ZappaWad]
    #4149625 - 05/08/05 10:38 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah...simply amazing book.


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Re: Strassman - DMT The Spirit Molecule [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4149837 - 05/08/05 12:31 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I wish I had pure enough DMT to IV.


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Re: Strassman - DMT The Spirit Molecule [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4149876 - 05/08/05 12:39 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

That book rocks! I've read it two times now

Some of my friends that read some of the trip reports thought I was insane for having smoked 5-MeO-DMT.


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Re: Strassman - DMT The Spirit Molecule [Re: DNKYD]
    #4150604 - 05/08/05 05:54 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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DNKYD said:
That book rocks! I've read it two times now

Some of my friends that read some of the trip reports thought I was insane for having smoked 5-MeO-DMT.




about the time I tried 5-MeO-DMT I was reading strssmans book. Its an awesome book. I read food of the gods after it by mcKenna and that, coupled with some intense 5-MeO-DMT trips and an introduction to mediation has changed my life for the best, forever.


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Calamity's waiting for a way to get to her
Rosy red and electric blue
I bought you a paddle for your paper canoe

Say you'll come back when you can
Whenever your airplane happens to land
Maybe I'll be back here too
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Re: Strassman - DMT The Spirit Molecule [Re: C20H25N3O]
    #4150793 - 05/08/05 07:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Is the book about n,n-DMT or 5-MeO-DMT? I've always assumed it was about n,n.


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Re: Strassman - DMT The Spirit Molecule [Re: Letto]
    #4151597 - 05/08/05 11:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

n,n


It does touch on 5meoDMT briefly.


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Re: Strassman - DMT The Spirit Molecule [Re: Letto]
    #4151756 - 05/09/05 12:15 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, the book is about n,n-DMT. I tried explaining to my friends that IV or IM n,n-DMT is muuuuuuuch different than smoked 5-MeO, but they couldn't comprehend it anyways.


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Re: Strassman - DMT The Spirit Molecule [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4151772 - 05/09/05 12:19 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Strassman - DMT The Spirit Molecule [Re: DNKYD]
    #4151773 - 05/09/05 12:19 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I tried explaining to my friends that IV or IM n,n-DMT is muuuuuuuch different than smoked 5-MeO, but they couldn't comprehend it anyways.





:shake:that's so sad.


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Re: Strassman - DMT The Spirit Molecule [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4151791 - 05/09/05 12:25 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

DMT is not for everyone, that's for sure. It takes a strong mind to get through the experience it brings. And most of my friends were just into boozing it up. This was in HS. Before I was at that school nobody knew what 2c-i, 2c-e, or 5-MeO-DMT was. The only people other than me that experienced these things at my school were the ones that got them from me :shrug:


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Re: Strassman - DMT The Spirit Molecule [Re: Galvie_Flu]
    #4151817 - 05/09/05 12:35 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I usually don't read that fast but I just ate this book up, It was a really easy read compared to some of the other things I've been working on latley, I did skip the intro and I just skimed over most of the last chapter about the future of psychedelic research and the epilouge.

I found it interesting that so many of the experiences couled be veiwed as negative by outsiders, like the insects and the report of the "feasting on the patients love energy" or the "alien rape" some of these sound like they have a harsh edge to them, but in the reports of the patients themselves, most of these equated to bliss or at least helpfull, incredible experiences. This in addition to the lack of the experiences creating positive change in the lives of the patients, even though the experiences themselves where so significant, make it hard to show the results of the research as possitive. Although I personally precieved it that way, I'm no scientist. It does sound like he was in a tough spot as far as creating an ideal setting, and given the lack of previous research on the subject, and the fact that he was more or less pioneering in these reports, I think he did a great job for what he knew and what he had to work with. It's sad he lost his enthusiasm for it in the process. It's also sad his religious community feared his research and pressured him to stop. Hopefully future researchers can learn from his mistakes aa well as his triumphs and take it further next time.

Does anyone know if Strassman has written any other books?


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Re: Strassman - DMT The Spirit Molecule [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4151872 - 05/09/05 12:49 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Does Strassman tell where he got his DMT from? Was it given out by the government for his research, or did he make it synthetically? Or was it extracted? Doubt it, but maybe extracted is pure enough to IV, especially compared with smack heads IVing street junk.

I never would have considering ever injecting any drug. Then the more I thought about it (with regards to DMT), I realized it's just another way of administering a drug, nothing wrong with it. Just like IVing morphine. It's much more controlled than smoking. One day I'll have pure enough goods... ONE DAY! :smile:


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Re: Strassman - DMT The Spirit Molecule [Re: Letto]
    #4151938 - 05/09/05 01:04 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

He has a guy named Dave Nichols at Purdue University make it for him with permission from the DEA and FDA.


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Re: Strassman - DMT The Spirit Molecule [Re: Letto]
    #4151963 - 05/09/05 01:11 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with what you said about injecting drugs. I've gotten a bad image in my mind of using needles for administering drugs from heroin in movies and related propganda, so it had turned me off from the idea completley. After reading about Aldous Huxley going out with a shot of LSD I thought that was beautifull and opened up to the idea a little. After reading this book I would certainly be willing to take a shot of DMT (and probably a few other psychedelics, for that matter) if everything was sterile and pure.


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Re: Strassman - DMT The Spirit Molecule [Re: emptywisdom]
    #4153373 - 05/09/05 02:47 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I do know the difference between 5-meo-dmt and DMT, it was 5-meo-dmt was readily aviable when I read the book. I had about 1 gram of it sitting around at the time.


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Calico Kahlia come tell me the news
Calamity's waiting for a way to get to her
Rosy red and electric blue
I bought you a paddle for your paper canoe

Say you'll come back when you can
Whenever your airplane happens to land
Maybe I'll be back here too
It all depends on what's with you


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