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Offlinecucumel
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i need help!
    #4148284 - 05/07/05 10:53 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Hi everybody, a week ago i was looking for cubensis in the country, i didn't find any but i found this young mushrooms in what seems to be a piece of rotten wood, i took the whole thing home and put it in the backyard. I'd like to know what they are, i think they look quite much like psilocybe baeocystis but might be just some panaeolina.I should say it's autumn here now and the weather is wet and mild in my place. This is the biggest shroom (its height is 5cm/2 inches):




Some smaller:




This one was broken so i'm drying it just in case i'm lucky and they are psilocybe:




Thanks in advance!


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Re: i need help! [Re: cucumel]
    #4148321 - 05/07/05 11:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Answer everything requested of you in the stickies & whatnot + swporeprint is absolutely invaluble- Of all things man do at least include a print.


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Re: i need help! [Re: cucumel]
    #4148363 - 05/07/05 11:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Those look like they could be Psilocybes. As noted by superblingtheory, we need a spore print to ID to genus.


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Re: i need help! [Re: superblingtheory]
    #4148378 - 05/07/05 11:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Nice finds. Go here to describe your finds better. http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23917






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    #4148446 - 05/07/05 11:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

OK, thank you all, i'll make a spore print and a better description tomorrow.


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Re: re [Re: cucumel]
    #4149412 - 05/08/05 08:05 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

They are apparently in the family strophariaceae, but even that is questionable...


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New info [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4150798 - 05/08/05 07:44 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I made a description of the mushrooms and spores:

Cap: conic/concave; moist and slimy (it's covered by a thin layer similar to gelatin); smooth (the margins are a bit striate). Color: the center is dark cinnamon brown and the side brighter brown but it's not very gradient, like there's a dark circle in the top. Young mushrooms have many white spots in the edge (so many that looks like a line). When drying the cap gets brighter pretty quickly. Flesh: Thin (thicker in the top), white, I didn't note any bluing or greening. It smells metallic, but I?m not used to smell mushroom so I can't compare.
Gills: some of them are short and only attached to the cap, and others long and attached to both the cap and the stalk. There?s an order: long, short, very short, short, long. Color: brown/gray (despite the top of the cap, they seem to get darker when drying).
Stalk: central; very thin; dry, fibrous (looks pretty much like a wood stick). Color: very bright brown, gets darker when drying. It doesn?t have any veil ring.
Spores: the print is dark purple (i find useless to take a pic to it with a bad quality webcam).
Found this gregarious mushrooms in the province of Entre Rios, Argentina.

I hope it's clear.



Edited by cucumel (05/08/05 08:28 PM)


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Re: New info [Re: cucumel]
    #4150959 - 05/08/05 08:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I'm sure toxicman or mj could ID this in a flash. But good luck in advance =P


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Re: New info [Re: cucumel]
    #4151028 - 05/08/05 09:07 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Nice description cucumel.

Everything keys out to Psilocybe, but the lack of a bluing reaction probably means they are inactive. Hypholoma is another possibility, and some Hypholomas are poisonous.

This thread will link you to the monograph for The Genus Psilocybe. You may find your mushrooms there. Good luck.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3588547#Post3588547


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re [Re: shroomydan]
    #4154826 - 05/09/05 09:50 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Even if they were active is not good to eat unknown or not well known mushrooms, since the fear that they might be poisonous can take you to a bad trip. Good old cubes are the best, if I'll try magic mushrooms someday, i hope they are cubes. And i think my mushrooms can be poisonous since i found a dead ant over a cap.



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Re: re [Re: cucumel]
    #4154928 - 05/09/05 10:16 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

dead ant means nothing about its toxicity.


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Re: re [Re: CptnGarden]
    #4154980 - 05/09/05 10:36 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

So dead flies aren't related to amanita muscaria's toxicity. More toxic amanitas don't kill flies?


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Re: re [Re: cucumel]
    #4155007 - 05/09/05 10:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

cucumel said:
So dead flies aren't related to amanita muscaria's toxicity. More toxic amanitas don't kill flies?




I think I read that it only sends them into a coma like state or something but they arent dead.


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Re: i need help! [Re: cucumel]
    #4158432 - 05/10/05 06:54 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

judging from what the worldwide-distribution paper says about shrooms that grow in Argentina,

i would suggest (guess) Psilocybe collybioides, or Psilocybe wrightii..


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Re: i need help! [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #4158557 - 05/10/05 07:24 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Hi GGreatOne234,

Psilocybe collybioides is not an active species. It was misidentified years ago and then discounted as a psilocybian mushroom.

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Re: [Re: mjshroomer]
    #4158738 - 05/10/05 08:12 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

And i don't think mine are active, so they could be collybioides, i read here that they might resemble azurescens and they do indeed. They are very healthy and grow so fast, you see them one day and they are 0,5cm tall and the other day they are 6cm. And i just left them in the backyard, didn't take any care and now i have around 10 mature mushrooms...wish they were active! Who wants to change collybioides' spores for cubensis'? haha.


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