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Well ill be damned, it IS an ethno!
    #4145273 - 05/07/05 09:26 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

watchit, she bites...



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Re: not an ethno, but pretty kewl... [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4145280 - 05/07/05 09:38 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

WOW... I wouldn't go tripping around that one though :wink:


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Re: not an ethno, but pretty kewl... [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #4145360 - 05/07/05 10:23 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Is this your first one? I've never had much luck with them.
I have done well with pitcher plants.


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Re: not an ethno, but pretty kewl... [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4145400 - 05/07/05 10:45 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

yep cool, i think i used to have one of those when i was a kid.


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Re: not an ethno, but pretty kewl... [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4145653 - 05/07/05 12:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Every one I've ever had died :frown:

And I hear bad things from growers about peat... it goes sour eventually.....  though, thats definately not your typical plant, who knows what it needs.




I read this article on how it actually closes....    what happens is the water pressure keeps it open, kinda like flipping a tennis ball inside out...  and when something triggers it, the water leaks out, and the tensions snaps it shut.


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Re: not an ethno, but pretty kewl... [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
    #4145751 - 05/07/05 01:10 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

thats awesome, i really really wanna get one now. :grin: :thumbup:


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Re: not an ethno, but pretty kewl... [Re: JCoke]
    #4145884 - 05/07/05 01:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Pitcher plants are easier to care for, they dont need hte constant humidity


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Re: not an ethno, but pretty kewl... [Re: Legoulash]
    #4146183 - 05/07/05 02:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

the preferred medium is spagnum moss.
it cant stand tapwater so it needs either distilled or rainwater
and its very bad to use any kind of fertiliser.

the die back in winter and alot of peeps assume them dead at that point.

pitcher plants are definetly on my list but i havent found any yet.
i also wanna get some others such as: Drosera (morningdew) and
Darlingtonia (cobra lily)...


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Re: not an ethno, but pretty kewl... [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4147035 - 05/07/05 04:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

she's blooming!
mine died. sniff.
i also found hard to start by seeds, gotta get me another little cutie assassin plant!
i also used to have a nepenthes... rocks too.


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Re: not an ethno, but pretty kewl... [Re: felixhigh]
    #4147049 - 05/07/05 04:39 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

actualy i cut off the that stem to make it produce more traps...
making flowers and seeds is very stressfull to the plant and sometimes it dies...


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Re: not an ethno, but pretty kewl... [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4147716 - 05/07/05 06:49 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I always cut off the flowers on my carnivorous plants. Fly traps enjoy a lot of sun and they will die if the soil dries out for long enough. Other than that they are pretty easy to grow.


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Re: not an ethno, but pretty kewl... [Re: faslimy]
    #4152977 - 05/09/05 12:30 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i got me another meat eater today:



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Re: not an ethno, but pretty kewl... [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4153051 - 05/09/05 12:58 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

NICE! i had good luck in frog setups using coconut coir and sphagnum moss. they got their share of flies. they are kind of harder to find here. my friend went to a HUGE nursery somewhere in washington. starts with a M. tons of that type of thing.


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Re: not an ethno, but pretty kewl... [Re: kadakuda]
    #4153235 - 05/09/05 01:57 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i found this one in the local garden center and just had to bring it home.
there was a giant nepenthes too, very kewl but not in my budget for now...


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Re: not an ethno, but pretty kewl... [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4165290 - 05/12/05 06:13 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

this is from the Carnivorous plants FAQ

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Do carnivorous plants have pharmacological (medicinal) properties?

This question, while seemingly simple, is loaded with controversial topics. However, let me break it down into five main components.
1)Are carnivorous plants used in any "western medicines" or pharmaceuticals?
2)Are there any untested or "fringe medicines" based on carnivorous plants?
3)Are there historical medicinal uses of carnivorous plants?
4)Are there herbal medicines based on carnivorous plants?
5)Can I use carnivorous plants to get high?


Drosera scorpioides
Even this set of sub-questions is controversial. For example, when should a drug be listed in category #1 vs. categories #2 or #3? Indeed, cultural imperialism might be an issue when trying to classify a compound used widely in India, but not registered in the USA. Nonetheless, let us try to wade through this briefly. (And do not forget, the "Dr." in front of my name has nothing to do with medicine, either human or for other animals.)


1)Western medicines

Pinguicula
Take a look at the veritable chemical factory in the close-up photograph of the mucilaginous Pinguicula leaf to the right, and you could see why people might think it is a place to find interesting potential drugs. However, as far as I know, carnivorous plants have not been used in mainstream medicines.


There is a compound ("Sarapin") based upon an extract of Sarracenia purpurea that some claim can reduce neuromuscular or neuralgic pain. However, this drug (and "prolotherapy", its method of application) is not quite mainstream medical practice---read the references in the FAQ citation list by Leslie (2000). For what it is worth, Aetna does not consider Sarapin or prolotherapy legitimate enough to cover in its health plans (see Anonymous, 2001). You can learn about this compound at www.sarapin.com.

Some carnivorous plants such as Dionaea and Drosera contain naphthoquinones, and these may have some therapeutic value. Unfortunately, these chemicals have a high toxicity and this limits their curative values. See Hegnauer & Hegnauer (2001) or Burrows & Tyrl (2001) for more information. I am not a medical doctor, so do not email me questions about this issue.

2)Untested or Fringe medicines
I hear of medicinal uses that do not appear to have been tested in laboratory conditions for their effectiveness. For example, Lewis et al. (1977) note that Drosera burmannii has been used in Hindu medicine as a rubefacient (skin counter-irritant).

The tragedies of AIDS and cancer, and the impression that new medicines are not being developed rapidly enough, have forced many people to look to medicines that have not passed the usual and substantial (some would say unnecessarily obstructive) hurdles for pharmaceutical registration. These formulations are sold as "dietary supplements" or other such loose classifications. I know of one compound called Carnivora which falls into this class. I have been critical of Carnivora in the past because of the way a web site used AIDS and cancer scare tactics to sell it. However, I have spoken to a USA distributor and am convinced he is, fortunately, more ethical in his sales approach. As to its efficacy, I am not qualified to make a judgement--it is claimed to be good for all sorts of things, and if nothing else would have value as an interesting placebo. (And studies indicate that as much as 15-30% of the effectiveness of all drugs are due to this powerful effect.) Dionaea muscipula (Venus Flytrap) is used in the formulation. I have been told by the US distributor that all the plants used in making it are artificially propagated, and not field collected.

A recent study (Todorov et al., 2000) suggests that Carnivora may at most have a "moderate antiproliferative effectiveness on sensitive and resistant tumor cells at relatively high concentrations and after a long time of exposure."

3)Historical uses

D. anglica
D. anglica
Old herbals list a number of uses for carnivorous plants. Culpeper's Complete Herbal (Nicholas Culpeper, 1616-1654) says of Drosera anglica:
"The Sun rules it, and it is under the sign of Cancer. The leaves, bruised and applied to the skin, erode it and bring out such inflammations as are not easily removed. The juice destroys warts and corns, if a little be frequently put upon them....It flowers in June, and then the leaves are fittest to be gathered."


Verhoek-Williams (1976) notes that in the middle ages, French sorcerers would rub Drosera leaves on their skins on St. John's Eve to become indefatigable. The plants were said to glow at night (they don't, not really), and could be detected by the behavior of woodpeckers which used the plants to harden their bills (they don't, not really). The sorcerers collected the plants at midnight on St. John's Eve, and were supposed to walk backwards as they did this to avoid being followed by the devil! Well, walking backwards at night in a bog is not a smart thing, so I'm not surprised this practice died out.

Charles Millspaugh, back in 1892, said that the native americans of eastern North America used Sarracenia purpurea subsp. venosa as a poultice against small pox: "...of which the root furnishes the greatest remedy known for that dreadful scourge, small-pox. I may mention that, to my personal knowledge, this precious root not only saved my brother's life, but its use also appears to wholly obviate the unsightly pitting common to the disease."

It should be noted, however, that contemporary tests of the same concoction were disastrous: "This medicine was thoroughly tested by Mr. John Thomas Lane in the spring of 1864 at the Small-pox Hospital at Claremont, in Alexandria, Va., for the period of several weeks, in the presence of the medical officers of the Third Division Hospital; and proved to be without any curative powers in this disease, and Mr. Lane a humbug. He lost more than fifty per cent. of the cases of variola committed to him, more than were lost by any other treatment."

Millspaugh noted Rafinesque's claim that Drosera juice is used "to destroy warts and corns; with milk, for freckles and sunburns....Deemed pectoral in South America, a sirup used in asthma." Millspaugh further noted that many medical writers recommend its use in "different kinds" of coughs related to "bronchial attacks, phthisis, and other diseases of the lungs."

4)Are there herbal medicines based on carnivorous plants?
OK, first let me say that I am not really sure at this point what constitutes an "herbal medicine." After all, most non-herbal medicines have their origins in plants (aspirin from willow trees, ephedrine from Ephedra, morphine from Papaver somniferum). I used to think that the difference was that conventional medicines were extracts---and in particular refined compounds packaged in pill form. Herbal medicines were in the form of fresh or recently dried leaves, twigs, roots, etc. of some plant. A tea would usually be made out of this botanical concoction, and would be drunk, inhaled, or applied topically. But now, when I visit my local co-op and look in the herbal medicine section, I see row after row of bottles containing---well---extracts in pill form! The distinction is very blurry here.

(If I sound a little bitter, it is probably because advocates of herbal medicines are ultimately responsible for the illegal, unsustainable harvesting of rare species such as American ginseng, driving these plants to near-extinction.)

My mild rant over (it's my FAQ and I can cry if I want to), I have seen Drosera rotundifolia used in herbal cough medicines. Also, Olin (1989) says that an extract of the plant is yet another diuretics available to herbal medicine aficionados. (Why do these people want to pee so much?) Doing a quick google web search using good key words (i.e. herbal medicine Drosera) I got lots of hits describing uses for D. rotundifolia, D. intermedia, D. anglica, D. ramentacea. You can do more searches using the other carnivorous plant genera yourself.

5)How to get stoned on carnivorous plants

Duuuuuuude!
Hah hah. If you are one of those dorks who email me from time to time, trying to use carnivorous plants to get high, you are really a twit. No, you cannot get a euphoric or psychoactive effect from carnivorous plants. However, I am here to try to help. I took a close-up photo of Sarracenia leaf patterns (on the right). Kind of psycho, huh? Look at that for as long as you can without blinking, then you will "see" the secret message about the workings of the Universe. It works best if you stick your fingers in your ears and keep your mouth open while you do it---this improves your "Cosmic Receptivity". Then send me lots of money to pay for the buzz.


For nonmedicinal, "ethnobotanical uses" of carnivorous plants, try the next FAQ entry.




next entry:

Quote:

Do carnivorous plants have ethnobotanical uses?


U. foliosa

Nepenthes hybrid
Ahh, but of course they do! But this should be no surprise, since there are several hundred species of carnivorous plants! Below I have listed but a few. (Incidentally, on this page, I use the phrase "ethnobotanical use" to indicate a nonmedicinal application. For medicinal uses, check the previous page.)


Here are a few ethnobotanical uses for carnivorous plants:
Curdling milk (Pinguicula, Drosera, Nordic countries)
Making rope (Nepenthes ampullaria, Indonesia)
Steaming rice (Nepenthes sp., Philippines)
Ornamental use (Sarracenia leucophylla, San Francisco USA)
A food sweetener (Byblis, Australia)
Flycatchers (Drosophyllum, Portugal)---this may be anecdotal
Kinky sex toy (Utricularia, USA, my place, only once)---I don't want to talk about it.


Oddly enough, the most common uses you hear about involving carnivorous plants come from Pinguicula vulgaris being used in Nordic countries. For examples, I have heard of it being used as a way to curdle milk, as a balm for the udders of milk-producing ungulates, and even (somehow) as a method of enhancing a sheen on the hair of Nordic blondes. This last factoid was provided by a FAQ-reader from Denmark, who told me that there is some connection with Pinguicula vulgaris and meade, and that some concoction of the two was used to enhance some sort of visions, much like you might get from mixing Tequila and Rum. My Denmark informant says there is an ancient pair of runic inscriptions that read, "I had a dream last night, of fair summer. I was a little bird above the sea. Far, yet clear, the Vibefedt let me see", and "Drinking the Vibefedt make colors vivid and gives dreams of pleasure." (Vibefedt means "lapwing grease", and no doubt derives from the fact that greasy little Pinguicula vulgaris lives in cold places that also support the lovely little lapwing birds.




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Re: not an ethno, but pretty kewl... [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4165977 - 05/12/05 12:24 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

very cool.  sounds like netherlands has a good plant maret :grin:

when i was at teh zoo the head gardner was all into carnivour plants.  she had some N. alata i believe.  man are they interesting!


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Re: not an ethno, but pretty kewl... [Re: kadakuda]
    #4168840 - 05/13/05 01:06 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i bought a flytrap at Walgreens a week ago for $5.99.it is awesome!!!


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Re: not an ethno, but pretty kewl... [Re: shamanvision]
    #4169397 - 05/13/05 03:30 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

make sure u read that faq i linked above, its got great info, especialy on flytraps :smile:


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