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Hallucinogens on the deaf, dumb, and blind...
    #4139335 - 05/05/05 09:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I am very curious to any documented effects that hallucinogens have on the deaf, dumb, and blind or to people who have mental disabilities (schizophrenia and the like) or are out of touch of certain senses. I have always considered that such drugs open up portions of the brain that are not used otherwise but I am curious what such effects have on people who are blind, color blind, hearing impaired, "crazy", or even mentally retarded.


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Re: Hallucinogens on the deaf, dumb, and blind... [Re: mgunetiquette]
    #4139788 - 05/05/05 11:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I remember readin an article on erowid about some doctor doing LSD tests with shitzo's... this one schitzo took LSD a few times, everytime he would be cuddled up on the couch sweating, and doing nothing but trippin in his head. Although he wasn't cured, it helped his condition out because he began taking steps to making an independent life for himself, getting out of his parents house and trying to get a job and such.

The article went on to say that the doctor's theory was that the schitzo didn't like having these LSD treatments, and he would rather apply himself and try to adjust to the real world in his current state, than to have to continue his agonizing acid trips....

I probably should have just posten the article but I was too lazy to look, and I now realize that it would have taken less time to find it than to write all this up.  :sad:


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Re: Hallucinogens on the deaf, dumb, and blind... [Re: Ginseng1]
    #4139836 - 05/05/05 11:43 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

wow, thats pretty interesting stuff. i can only imagine how a person who is blind and deaf would react to lsd....


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Re: Hallucinogens on the deaf, dumb, and blind... [Re: darkstar45]
    #4139995 - 05/06/05 12:29 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The only thing I can find were that tests on blind people had their hearing distorted to echoes. What I find interesting were tests done on blind monkeys. They were able to react to their enviroments even more coherently on LSD... Very interesting...

ALSO subtle doses of LSD on spiders showed that their web designs were even more intricate and "cohesive". However higher doses led them making disfigured webs which are completely out of place or incoherent.


But then I don't trust anything on the net. Negative or positive propaganda on the stuff. I want books or more reliable references.


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Re: Hallucinogens on the deaf, dumb, and blind... [Re: mgunetiquette]
    #4140704 - 05/06/05 04:40 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Aldous Huxley was about 60% blind and he was (one of) the best hallucinogenic documentors in the world.


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Re: Hallucinogens on the deaf, dumb, and blind... [Re: Fospher]
    #4140982 - 05/06/05 07:35 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

In general, when given to schiziphrenic patients, LSD exacerbates (makes worse) their symptoms. This is one of the reasons LSD is often referrred to as a "schizophrenomimetic".


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autism, schizophrenia, etc./ psych-libr [Re: badchad]
    #4141513 - 05/06/05 11:29 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Hallucinogens on the deaf, dumb, and blind... [Re: mgunetiquette]
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Re: Hallucinogens on the deaf, dumb, and blind... [Re: Fospher]
    #4148893 - 05/08/05 02:00 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Aldous Huxley was about 60% blind and he was (one of) the best hallucinogenic documentors in the world.




Hell yeah. Huxley is an amazing author among other things!


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Re: Hallucinogens on the deaf, dumb, and blind... [Re: mgunetiquette]
    #4149848 - 05/08/05 12:33 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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ALSO subtle doses of LSD on spiders showed that their web designs were even more intricate and "cohesive". However higher doses led them making disfigured webs which are completely out of place or incoherent.





Insects react to chemicals nothing like mammals do, so i would agree that your source cant be trusted.


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Re: Hallucinogens on the deaf, dumb, and blind... [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4149856 - 05/08/05 12:36 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

There was a study done, in which they dosed spiders with various substances and saw how it affected web designs.

here is a link

It compares a normal web, to a web that was spun by a spider dosed with acid, seems the LSD improves on nature :lol:

Lysergic_Milkman, do be nice on these forums, ok?


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Re: Hallucinogens on the deaf, dumb, and blind... [Re: Ginseng1]
    #4152450 - 05/09/05 04:46 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I remember readin an article on erowid about some doctor doing LSD tests with shitzo's... this one schitzo took LSD a few times, everytime he would be cuddled up on the couch sweating, and doing nothing but trippin in his head. Although he wasn't cured, it helped his condition out because he began taking steps to making an independent life for himself, getting out of his parents house and trying to get a job and such.

The article went on to say that the doctor's theory was that the schitzo didn't like having these LSD treatments, and he would rather apply himself and try to adjust to the real world in his current state, than to have to continue his agonizing acid trips....

I probably should have just posten the article but I was too lazy to look, and I now realize that it would have taken less time to find it than to write all this up.  :sad:



I've read that too, it was in a Stan Grof book.

That case was a little peculiar, because it was more of a personality disorder than outright schizophrenia. The patient had made "schizophrenia" his personality, and he seemed proud of it. It gave him substance and made him special. He also took great pride in having resisted every kind of treatment.
When he took his psychedelic therapy, he obviously had an apocalyptic trip, but wouldn't admit to it. Every time he "resurfaced", he claimed nothing was happening and he didn't feel any effect, while the opposite was obvious.
After the trip, the shrinks said that since it didn't affect him, they would have to up the dose the next time. He called them before the next appointment to cancel, saying he felt much better and wouldn't need it right away. He never accepted a new appointment, but his condition gradually faded away, as if the threat of a new trip had done the trick.

I'm writing from memory here, but I think that was pretty much the story. However funny it is, I don't think it is representative of dosing schizophrenics.


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Re: Hallucinogens on the deaf, dumb, and blind... [Re: Aldous]
    #4152880 - 05/09/05 11:47 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I'm pretty blind when it comes to long distances and I find that without my glasses I have much more hallucinations than with my glasses...


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Re: Hallucinogens on the deaf, dumb, and blind... [Re: sHrOoMeRrR420]
    #4156062 - 05/10/05 03:47 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yes with my own personal experience. I tended to want my "natural" eyesight even though I have severe nearsightedness. But then I also tend to take off my God damn clothes in front of anybody no matter who you are. That got me in enough trouble, but that's a different post altogether...

As for Aldous Huxley. Dude was a fucking genius. I ate up Brave New World but I really what to get my hands on his book The Doors of Perception.


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