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Offlinebigboomers
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Your Experience With Peat Moss...
    #4134464 - 05/04/05 09:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm planning to use peat moss as a substitute for vermiculite using the PF Tech (1/2 peat, 1/4 water, 1/4 brf). I've already read two posts about two other guys on the board that have used peat moss, but I'm wondering if anyone else has experimented with it and had successful results. My impression so far is a faster colonization time, and possibly more Psilocybin from the extra bruising. Maybe this is because peat moss has more inherent nutes along with the brf? Thanks


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Re: Your Experience With Peat Moss... [Re: bigboomers]
    #4134468 - 05/04/05 09:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

no nutes ,plus bruising makes for less psilocybin think about it man but yea the pf tek with peat works great for me


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Re: Your Experience With Peat Moss... [Re: lordoftheshroomz]
    #4134490 - 05/04/05 10:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

if it was good people would do it all the time. I personaly wouldnt let peat moss touch uncolonized substrate even if it had been sterilized. I have no reason for that though besides the fact i think peat moss holds contams tightly. stupid ink cap


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Re: Your Experience With Peat Moss... [Re: bigboomers]
    #4134577 - 05/04/05 10:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Peat is  excellent if certain conditions are met. It naturally is a bit acidic, soo, this invites contaminants-true. However, growers add lime of some sort to make the peat moss more alkaline, thus warding off contaminants and welcoming mycelia growth. So if you use peat moss, make sure to pH balance it first. :smile: bluhoney


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Re: Your Experience With Peat Moss... [Re: bluhoney]
    #4134596 - 05/04/05 10:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

thats exactl wut i did added a bit of calcium carbonate sand


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Re: Your Experience With Peat Moss... [Re: bluhoney]
    #4137513 - 05/05/05 02:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Peat is  excellent if certain conditions are met. It naturally is a bit acidic, soo, this invites contaminants-true. However, growers add lime of some sort to make the peat moss more alkaline, thus warding off contaminants and welcoming mycelia growth. So if you use peat moss, make sure to pH balance it first. :smile: bluhoney




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Re: Your Experience With Peat Moss... [Re: Roadkill]
    #4137565 - 05/05/05 02:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Whats the word on Jiffy Mix. Ive heard people say you can use that in casing and it already has the pH adjusted(to a point). Any first hand experience?


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Re: Your Experience With Peat Moss... [Re: crazytalken]
    #4137582 - 05/05/05 02:31 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

not me.

I haven't tried jiffy mix.

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I use 60/40 Verm and Coco Coir.

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Re: Your Experience With Peat Moss... [Re: Roadkill]
    #4138878 - 05/05/05 07:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If you're worried about mixing for pH, get Pro-Mix or some such potting soil that's 95%+ peat moss. Its pH is already adjusted. Pro-Mix can be used as a lazy casing layer, without additives. I can think of no reason why it wouldn't work in a PF jar.


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Re: Your Experience With Peat Moss... [Re: Snarp]
    #4139103 - 05/05/05 08:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i had a bag of pro-mix a fe months ago. it said somewhere on the bag it had a ph of around 4 which is too low. but maybe it was another brand name.....think it was pro-mix though.


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Re: Your Experience With Peat Moss... [Re: Shnezbit]
    #4139105 - 05/05/05 08:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

o yea...i wanted to ask if you adjust ph before sterilizing or after?


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Re: Your Experience With Peat Moss... [Re: Shnezbit]
    #4139261 - 05/05/05 09:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Your Experience With Peat Moss... [Re: supernaut]
    #4141455 - 05/06/05 11:14 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Acidic pH lowers the risk of contaminants- yes. Adding lime makes the peat alkaline(basic). But mushrooms cannot grow in acidic peat. So the addition of lime comes into play. Yes- it then can be suitable for contaminants as well when the peat is alkaline. This is why you do not add nutrients to the casing layer. With out nutrients, germs have nothing to feed on (yes I know, some germs attack the mycelia). Being slightly acidic, peat doesn't have to be sterilized, but it does have to be limed to make it suitable for mushroom growth. One other point, peat naturally contains beneficial microfloa bacteria, which work in symbiosis with mushroom growth and adds natural resistance to germs invading the casing layer. That's the main reason why my friend disagrees with sterilizing your casing layer, you kill these "good" germs and allow a wide open hole for contamination. See, its all a race really. The casing, the substrate, the whole process is a race to colonization by the quickest and strongest of molds, fungus, bacteria. Who ever wins results in whether you have fruit to enjoy or nice green, grey, etc to toss out. Its the growers job to help out the mycelia as best they can. Kinda like the people holding the water sponges for the runners in races. Your holding the sponge for your racer, the mycelia. Don't let it down, adjust your pH, keep your humidity and moisture regulated, your temps controlled, airflow, and light adjusted. This will give your mycelia all the help and support it needs to win the race and in turn give you "fruit for your labor".:)bluhoney


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pH of potting soil... [Re: bluhoney]
    #4143067 - 05/06/05 05:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Shnezbit:

If it had a pH of 4, it wasn't adjusted. Limestone will bring it much closer to neutral.


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Re: pH of potting soil... [Re: Snarp]
    #4143202 - 05/06/05 06:24 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

>Acidic pH lowers the risk of contaminants- yes.

Thats not right. Green thrives in lower acidic environments like 4-5, mushroom in higher neutral, or slightly alkaline environments (7-7.5). Having an acidic pH increases the risk of contaminants.


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Re: pH of potting soil... [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4143581 - 05/06/05 08:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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That's not right. Green thrives in lower acidic environments like 4-5, mushroom in higher neutral, or slightly alkaline environments (7-7.5). Having an acidic pH increases the risk of contaminants.



Hence the reason I stated that it lowers the risk, not that it eliminates it. Becoming specific on what bacteria, microorganisms, germs, etc to what at when level, yes, you can find a number of things that thrive in both higher and lower pH. I was just summarizing. But in any right answer, someone can always find a wrong. Sorry for not being more scientific. Here is a quote  "since the acidic condition precludes many contaminants from colonizing it as a substrate, peat is considered to be a fairly "clean" starting material."--The Mushroom Cultivator p.131.
My answer is correct to me, but feel free to disagree. :laugh:bluhoney


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