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Copes in the islands (pictures)
    #4134173 - 05/04/05 06:28 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Location: Virgin Islands
Found in: Horse sh**
Spore print: Black

I'm 99% sure we picked up a ton of copelandia cyanescens.

Enjoy the pictures:



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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4134182 - 05/04/05 06:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Your pictures aren't working.

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: Holydiver]
    #4134280 - 05/04/05 07:00 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

sorry, they should be fixed now


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4134293 - 05/04/05 07:03 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Nice pictures, you are really fortunate to experience a region like that. :thumbup: :mushroom2:

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: Holydiver]
    #4134319 - 05/04/05 07:10 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Do they bruise blue? In pick 4 they look like some sort of Inky Cap. I'm not sure though, ask someone with more experience identifying mushrooms.


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: Dragonaut]
    #4134337 - 05/04/05 07:18 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

They were the oldest and biggest we found that day. It wasn't inky at all to touch. They were stained deep blue. Another was almost black from I'm guessing all the spores landing on it.


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4134352 - 05/04/05 07:22 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry, in the pic they look black and a little bit inky. Someone else want to try and I.D. these?


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: Dragonaut]
    #4135302 - 05/04/05 10:28 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

look like pan. antrillium to me. I dont see any blueing in any of those photos. Actually now that I look at the 1st and fourth photo fullsized, Im fairly certian they are antrillium.


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: cwbfromtheksvi]
    #4135322 - 05/04/05 10:34 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

awesome pictures though.


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4136131 - 05/05/05 01:48 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

ugh, dude, maybe it's just me, but considering the current legal climate surrounding mushrooms, I wouldn't post pics of myself with psychedelics in my mouth! haha nice pics though.


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4136199 - 05/05/05 02:27 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Congratulations. you have picked yourself a ton of Panaeolus antillarum and no, they are not psychoactive and they do not contain any psilocine and/or psilocybine.

Here are two more images of the same shrooms





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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #4136375 - 05/05/05 04:55 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Hmm this is a tough one for me.

Does anyone have any pictures of a less Hemispherical cap on the pans?

I did find alot of the mushrooms mjshroomer is holding, and they might be pans in the first picture. But the two big ones in the 4th picture, even if the photo doesn't show it were extremely blue.

We threw away a lot of pans picking that day. I judged them by the shape of the caps and how white they were. The really white ones and the non-bell shaped caps were tossed., but I'm pretty positive we came back with a good amount of copes too.

BTW the ones in our mouthes are the same ones as picture 4 if it gives you more insight.

I wish I had gotten pictures of the entire collection for you guys.

EDIT:

Thought of two more questions.

Do the pan ants get cracked caps? I was under the impression that they were left smooth.

And how does the smell of the two mushrooms compare when dried?

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4136769 - 05/05/05 08:32 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

All Copelandia and Panaeolus caps become cracked caps with age. Apparently you have not read the descriptions of Copelandia cyanescens posted here in the Shreooery's Ultimate Shroom Guide..

As for all white caps. That too is bs. Caps start out a yellowish to brown to black from spores on many caps.

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http://www.mushroomjohn.com/copelandiacyaenscens1.htm

There are more than 300 images in the Copelandia description pages at my site.








And there you can see some variation some variation in the genera Copelandia of various colored caps in the genera. see.

And Copelandia cyanescens do have a thin stem and cap which break as easily as Panaeolus antillarum.. Cracked caps are one of the characteristics of the genus Copelandia. And they are hygrophanous like Psilocybe mushrooms, that is, they change color in drying and with age.

And blue extremely well.

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #4137180 - 05/05/05 10:36 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

If your in USVI goto Tortolla and ask around I'm sure someone will point in the right direction...from what I know about the island of St.Thomas there are plenty of cubes growing there...have fun lucky fuckers

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4137319 - 05/05/05 11:08 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Copelandia cyanescens do not grow from horse dung.

You'll need to find some cow dung for the Copelandia's.

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: GGreatOne234]
    #4137451 - 05/05/05 11:51 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

i see no bluing reaction of what so ever-- Antillarum definitely

these are what the copez looked like for me here in central TX last Oct/Nov- which Oddly enough i didnt find a single Antillarum around or next to




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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: cwbfromtheksvi]
    #4138438 - 05/05/05 03:37 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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look like pan. antrillium to me. I dont see any blueing in any of those photos. Actually now that I look at the 1st and fourth photo fullsized, Im fairly certian they are antrillium.




I agree with CWBfromtheksvi.

Antrillium. Why? Copes never get as big as the one in that kids mouth. Also, that is black not blue. Copes are distinctly blue.


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: NariusFractal]
    #4138510 - 05/05/05 03:57 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You all make great points.

The only thing keeping me from dismissing them as pan ants is this:

Last year on the same island, different pasture (cow that time) we picked many mushrooms that looked just like these. I came to shroomery's forums just like now and posted information and everyone said they were pan ants. I mean everyone just like this time.

I admit last time they didn't blue much either.

The thing is, someone who ate them and his friends all had great and very strong trips from them.

Also, the place we picked at isn't a random pasture we stumbled across. All the rasta folk also pick there (in the horse sh**).

After we run some 'tests' on saturday I can tell you if these are active or not.

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All Copelandia and Panaeolus caps become cracked caps with age. Apparently you have not read the descriptions of Copelandia cyanescens posted here in the Shreooery's Ultimate Shroom Guide..

As for all white caps. That too is bs. Caps start out a yellowish to brown to black from spores on many caps.




I've read everything I could get my hands on about them. I've read the guide and your site from front to back a few months ago. (BTW if you want to use any pictures I posted, or have any requests for your site I'd be happy) I've forgotten a lot though, so my apologies.

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If your in USVI goto Tortolla and ask around I'm sure someone will point in the right direction...from what I know about the island of St.Thomas there are plenty of cubes growing there...have fun lucky fuckers




Yeah I've heard about all the cubes over there. And we are planning a trip to tortola ^^


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4138567 - 05/05/05 04:13 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I don't want to seem too out there, but what are the chances this is a new/different strain?


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4138627 - 05/05/05 04:27 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Pan. Antrillium not doubt about it, as much as you want them to be copes they just are not.

I find antrillium just like the ones in your pictures in great abundance around here I wish they were active too but they just not.

I wouldnt eat them if I were you they are not toxic but eating a good amount will probably get you sick.


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: cwbfromtheksvi]
    #4138675 - 05/05/05 04:38 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

It's just hard to accept they are ants, because they "were" last time too. I'll risk getting sick from ants to figure out what is going on.

mjshroomer did you take all the pictures on your website? Have you ever been in the caribbean picking?

I really want to debunk this.


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4138804 - 05/05/05 05:04 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

They're definatly antillarum but if your that convinced, eat them and please post your experience report :smile:

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4139187 - 05/05/05 06:51 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

YEs, 99.999% of all the fotos on my site were taken by me except a few of the mexican varieties of shrooms in my species guide and several Gyms and Inocybves and plutreus are by others.> Any mushroom not photographed by7 me tells who did take them. I have a few Panaeolus sub images but thye one pager of beautiful iamges are from angry Shroom in California and from lizard king. The arcanas were loaned to me and so were the species fromt he baltic states.

All the cubes, etc, cyans copes and psilocybes and all other images and art art from me unless u otherwiswe specified. There are over 7000 images on my site and at leas 6900 of them or more are mine.

And those are Panaeolus antillarums. They uusually grow etither before one species or after and sometimes they are left over in a field when the others began to appear. Rarely, you may find a Cope cyan in the same cow-pie as a Pan antillarum, but that is exteremely rare.

On the other hand, you may collected one or tweo or even three copelanduia species inhabiting the same dung heap, but they are practically impossible to differentiate between them macroscopically.

mj

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #4141694 - 05/06/05 10:11 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

The caps look like they bruise, but WTF is with the stems, solid white...anyways you guys are fuckin lucky to live there, tripping there would be INSANE...I fucking hate this place! (except for the free psychedelics)


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: meluvshrooms]
    #4143535 - 05/06/05 06:02 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah the scenery in those pictures are nice, but don't judge a book by it's cover.

Three murders yesterday, rapes are all over. Drug wars, gang wars, kids getting stabbed right and left.

Getting robbed five times in a month isn't fun either.

And police? give me a f****** break.

But everywhere has its pros and cons, and if you can't see the pros then get the f*** out of there!

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: Ajna_Chakra]
    #4143566 - 05/06/05 06:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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ugh, dude, maybe it's just me, but considering the current legal climate surrounding mushrooms, I wouldn't post pics of myself with psychedelics in my mouth! haha nice pics though.



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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: tahoe]
    #4143594 - 05/06/05 06:20 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Since meluvshrooms saw the blueing too I took it upon myself to show you guys.

Now the picture below is the EXACT same picture with no alterations except upping the saturation.

What that does is NOT add different colors, but just make them more colorful.  The greens greener and the blues bluer.

Notice the blue: (remember :If there was no blue to begin with there wouldn't be any blue from cranking up the saturation)


FULLSIZE:
http://www.doosdesigns.com/IMGBLUE.jpg

See the now obvious blueing?  You guys can't tell me ants blue!

What is going on here guys? (not sarcasm)

EDIT:

In the newly saturated picture (fullsize) you can see the base of the stems blueing too.

Makes me god damn happy  :grin:


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4143749 - 05/06/05 06:58 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry but there isnt any blueing in that photo, saturated or not. I think you may be colorblind. Cyans aren't nicknamed "blue meanies" because you can mistake black and grey as the bruising. They bruise an INTENSE blue, blue/green color that once you see it, you will never mistake that as blueing. Eat them if you want but the contain no psilocybin. Actually, as much as you want to believe they are psychoactive youll probably think your tripping or getting somekind of effect; but its all in your head.


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: cwbfromtheksvi]
    #4143796 - 05/06/05 07:11 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, I don't want this to turn in to a flame fest.

Just to make sure I wasn't colorblind I eyedropped the color and checked out the color wheel. Sure enough it was blue.

I understand they blue an intense blue, that's why I can't believe they are cope cyanescens. I can't believe they are pan ants either because of a previous experience with them AND the blue color on them.

Now wait, before you say anything. There IS blue on that picture.

I also took into note that it could be all in my head so I physically talked to one of my friends. He ate them last time, not knowing whether they would produce desired effects or not, but they did.

I can hardly say a placebo can be as strong as it was. It's not like I've only tripped once either.

Now mabye you can see why I'm confused.

If they are not copes, and they are not ants. Should I make up a name for the name books?


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4143825 - 05/06/05 07:19 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

That is not bluing in the photos. it looks like spores or gill fragments. But if you tripped then i am confused as well as.
Its not impossible to find a new species...

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4143865 - 05/06/05 07:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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But if you tripped then i am confused as well



Glad you understand ^^

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That is not bluing in the photos. it looks like spores or gill fragments.




Can spore and gill fragments be blue on ants? I was under the impression they were black. That could solve alot of the mystery.


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4143922 - 05/06/05 07:50 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

The black smeared against the grey can easily look like blue or purple.

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4143924 - 05/06/05 07:50 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Wouldnt they blue on the stem too if they contained psilocybin? From what I can tell the stems are solid white.

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: mastacheefa]
    #4143940 - 05/06/05 07:58 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

The stems would stain blue if they contained Psilocin, not psilocybin. This fact may prove to be the reason that the shrooms dont blue but still are trippable. unusually high psilocybin content and freakishly low psilocin content. Just a thought...

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: mastacheefa]
    #4143951 - 05/06/05 08:00 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

on the saturated picture http://www.doosdesigns.com/IMGBLUE.jpg the base of the stem where it is broken off turned a blue.

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The black smeared against the grey can easily look like blue or purple.



Hmm I see what you mean but here is my problem with that.

If you look take black paint, and mix it with grey, it will be a darker grey. Even if it could look blue and not really be, what was on that picture was a shade of blue. I'm not talking about what eyesight perceives, but the actual pigment.

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I'm bringing up all these points not because I'm brainwashed into thinking they're active, but because I want to figure out what is going on. If everyone agreed this thread would be dead at page one.


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4143952 - 05/06/05 08:01 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

So its psilocin, not psilocybin, that causes a mushroom to bruise blue/green. Very interesting. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: mastacheefa]
    #4143975 - 05/06/05 08:07 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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The stems would stain blue if they contained Psilocin, not psilocybin. This fact may prove to be the reason that the shrooms dont blue but still are trippable. unusually high psilocybin content and freakishly low psilocin content. Just a thought...




That is very interesting indeed.

Do you know any mushrooms that do that or are you just speculating?


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4143980 - 05/06/05 08:09 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Many psilocybe species dont stain blue at all from lack of psilocin (or almost untracable amounts of it) but are quite potent because of their psilocybin content.
Lemme check some references to get exact species real quick...

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4143993 - 05/06/05 08:16 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Panaeolus Subbalteatus for starters...

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4144007 - 05/06/05 08:21 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Psilocybe coprophila...
guess there isnt as many as i thought. But several species with low psilocin content stain blue only sometimes, and usually not very strongly. but this is not the case with Pa. cyanescens

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4144048 - 05/06/05 08:32 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Well I guess we'll just have to wait till Sunday to see what these are.

If nothing happens the problem is solved.

If desired outcome - wtf huh?


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4144061 - 05/06/05 08:37 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

well i for one am curious

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4145167 - 05/07/05 05:04 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I can't comment on the identity of the mushrooms, but blue they were even without adjusting the colors. Let's have the story on Sunday.

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4145579 - 05/07/05 10:15 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

That is not bluing.

Sometimes photoshop and other programs or even camera dolors will appear a bluish i tinge , buit I have observered tens of thousands of panaeolus antillarums over the years and they do not blue.

People also say they see opurpl;e stains on shrooms, but the purple is the color of the spore deposits, not staining.

Those colors you assume is bluing in your image is just off color and not really blue. I have some edibles which appeared to have blue tinges int hem but they really did not.

mj

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4145595 - 05/07/05 10:20 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Lysergic_Milkman,

Yes Cyans stain exteremely blue int he stems, at all times unless carefully handled.

And no,

Psilocybe coprophila is not an active species as you stated in your post. That is another urban legend stopread around in some guidebooks and is an error.

There is no psilocybine/psilocine in {Psilocybe coprophila and/or Psilocybe montana, nor in Panaeolina foenisecii or in panaeolus sphinctrinus.

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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: samueljackson]
    #4145684 - 05/07/05 10:50 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I just want to take a minute of your tiem and show hyou a regular photo with some bluing and then a 2nd image photo enhanced. The papaer is pure white.

This shows you how sometimes lighting when you take a picture can come out looking different than it should.



And a nother shot after automatic photo color adjustment. Now the whole page looks bluish.



However, in the first image, which is not touched up, the paper is pure white, but because of lighting when I took the image, the paper apparently looks bluish in places.

In the 2nd image, I whited a portion of the image to show you how whuite the paper should be.

mj

Your shrooms are difinitely Panaeolus antillarum.



mj


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Re: Copes in the islands (pictures) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #4150428 - 05/08/05 01:47 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I think that blueing example in that picture is a little extreme but I get what you're saying.

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Your shrooms are difinitely Panaeolus antillarum.



Yup, they were. :frown: 
Two ounces of them, and mabye 2 grams total of active mushrooms mixed in there divided by 4 people.  At least we didn't get stomach aches right?

It still doesn't explain our last trip, so the mystery isn't over.

Thanks from the help from everybody, I'm not sure how this forum works but this thread should be archived.  Alot of good information on copes vs. ants that shouldn't be wasted.

PS

Expect a copes in the islands part deux after the next big rain.

HAPPY PICKING :laugh:


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